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J&M Speakers with Scala G9 System

My wife & I use the Scala G9 intercom. They work good for the most part except the speakers are small & hard to hear at speed. I came across a set of J&M speakers so I replaced the stock Scala speakers with the J&M. Man what a difference this makes. I use ear buds so I put these in Sammie's helmet & the sound is 2 or 3 times louder then the stock speakers. It was very easy to swap out the speakers & only took about 30 minutes to do.

You can clearly see how much bigger the J&M are then the Scala





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Good job. What helmet model?
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HJC CL16 in silver. Sammie has had it a little over a year & loves it. Very light and does not cause her neck to get tired after a few hours on the bike.

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HJC CL16 in silver. Sammie has had it a little over a year & loves it. Very light and does not cause her neck to get tired after a few hours on the bike.
Very good. I'll look forward to seeing it Sunday - and show ya my new Hi-Viz yeller BILT and the Sena setup. And you can show me how to work the dang D-rings!!!
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Thanks for the tip. I had the same complaint and ended up modifying mine by adding a 3.5 jack to the Scala so I could use earbud speakers to get better sound.
I have an extra J&M helmet set so I will scavenge those speakers.

Do you have any tips about Wire color matching?

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I started working on it tonight and discovered it is more difficult than I pictured.

The wire is so fine that is gives me some problems.

My wire stripper expossed three different items.
1. Solid copper strands
2. Striped copper strands
3. 1 solid black strand

Somehow these are isolated from each other within the casing but it is not evident how.

What did you experience?

Any help would be appreciated.

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I started working on it tonight and discovered it is more difficult than I pictured.

The wire is so fine that is gives me some problems.

My wire stripper expossed three different items.
1. Solid copper strands
2. Striped copper strands
3. 1 solid black strand

Somehow these are isolated from each other within the casing but it is not evident how.

What did you experience?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Bob
On the J&M you should have 1 black & 1 white to use plus a bare wire shield that can be cut off. On the Scala one speaker with have 1 red & 1 green. The other will have 1 red with copper stripe & 1 green with copper stripe. The red & red/copper on the Scala go to white on the J&M speakers. The green & green/copper Scala go to black J&M. On the Scala wires use a lighter to burn off the red/green covers. It burns fast so be ready to blow it out fast. You only need 1/4 inch of bare wire.

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I had the same problem trying to hear out of my Scala G9 speakers. However, I bought a pair of custom earplugs at the Long Beach Progressive Motorcycle show in January and amazingly enough, I can now hear very clearly through the stock G9 speakers. Road noise was the problem - what a difference!!
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I had the same problem trying to hear out of my Scala G9 speakers. However, I bought a pair of custom earplugs at the Long Beach Progressive Motorcycle show in January and amazingly enough, I can now hear very clearly through the stock G9 speakers. Road noise was the problem - what a difference!!
Does the G9 have the speakers on a 3.5 jack?


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My G9 speakers aren't on a 3.5 jack (see pixs). From what I recall when I installed them into my Shoei Neotechs, the speakers were already connected to the helmet docking station. An AUX line-in Port is used to connect a non-Bluetooth audio source with a 3.5 mm–1/8” stereo jack using the cable that came with the device. Based on my perspective, you'd be better off to leave the stock G9 speakers alone and buy a good pair of earplugs. Attached are pictures of my setup including the earplugs, as well as the G9 Manual. I have trouble in crowded rooms with hearing due to background noise, but the earplugs filter out all of the road and most engine noise, but leave the G9 radio crystal clear. Good luck!!
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Missed posting the manual as it is twice the size allowed by this forum. Sorry...
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Does the G9 have the speakers on a 3.5 jack?
No I installed the 3.5mm jack mine myself. Even with earplugs I could not hear anything with the stock speakers that is why I went with earbuds. My wife does not like ear buds or earplugs so that is why I put the J&M speakers in her helmet.

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hope this isn't too off topic but the Cardo Q3 uses 3.5 plug to connect speakers or earphone. I had Torx Pro speakers from an earlier experiment that really work great. They are larger diameter than the Cardo provided speaker but not a thick as in Steve's photo. GF used the stock speaker and she thinks they're just fine.

I bet the newest version of the G9s have the 3.5 plug but I cant confirm that.

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hope this isn't too off topic but the Cardo Q3 uses 3.5 plug to connect speakers or earphone. I had Torx Pro speakers from an earlier experiment that really work great. They are larger diameter than the Cardo provided speaker but not a thick as in Steve's photo. GF used the stock speaker and she thinks they're just fine.

I bet the newest version of the G9s have the 3.5 plug but I cant confirm that.

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My G9 is only about 3 months old & does not have the 3.5mm plug for speakers. In looking at the G9 mount that clamps to the helmet I do not think there is much room to instal (after market) a 3.5mm plug. I'm using the mounting bracket from my old G4 that I put a plug in for earbuds with the G9 unit. I would hope Scala would change that in the near future.

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Stevie, I may not have lost that bet yet. Cardo website shows the G-9x having "Dual replaceable speakers (3.5 mm)". I don't see that on the G-9 or G-4 but same phrase is used on the Q3 spec. My Q3 allows for changing out speakers or earphones that have 3.5mm plugs. This is a pretty handy feature in my opinion.

Further thought on the TorxPro speakers. I have a RF1100 helmet and it has relatively deep speaker recess that allows a bit of air space behind the speakers. diameter of the recess is slightly smaller than the diameter of the speakers. I think this helps develop more bass than if full surface mounting. Smaller speakers like the stock Cardos would fit more flush in the recess. That said, I didn't test the smaller speakers since I knew the TorxPros would likely have better sound potential.

The Q3 and the G-9x came out mid 2013. Both Sena and Cardo are getting better with both product and pricing. Hopefully this continues.

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Stevie, I may not have lost that bet yet. Cardo website shows the G-9x having "Dual replaceable speakers (3.5 mm)". I don't see that on the G-9 or G-4 but same phrase is used on the Q3 spec. My Q3 allows for changing out speakers or earphones that have 3.5mm plugs. This is a pretty handy feature in my opinion.

Further thought on the TorxPro speakers. I have a RF1100 helmet and it has relatively deep speaker recess that allows a bit of air space behind the speakers. diameter of the recess is slightly smaller than the diameter of the speakers. I think this helps develop more bass than if full surface mounting. Smaller speakers like the stock Cardos would fit more flush in the recess. That said, I didn't test the smaller speakers since I knew the TorxPros would likely have better sound potential.

The Q3 and the G-9x came out mid 2013. Both Sena and Cardo are getting better with both product and pricing. Hopefully this continues.

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Yup, the 9X appears to be the ticket. The 9 had the detachable mic, now the 9X has detachable speakers.

I wonder how available they are...the Cardo store shows it in stock, but RevZilla is showing it as "unavailable". I wonder if it's not to them yet, or they just sold out.

Maybe I can talk Stevie into turning my 9 into a 9X for me!
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Well Well Well Looks like the G9X does have plug in Speakers. Now if I can just find the cradle/mount separate from the Unit.

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I was able to find a part number for the audio kit (Mounting bracket) for the G9X SRAK0028 but no one has pictures of it. I've sent messages to Scala a 2 other vendors who show it in stock. I hope to hear back from one of them soon. If it does have the removable speakers I'll order one.

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I was able to find a part number for the audio kit (Mounting bracket) for the G9X SRAK0028 but no one has pictures of it. I've sent messages to Scala a 2 other vendors who show it in stock. I hope to hear back from one of them soon. If it does have the removable speakers I'll order one.
Heard back from Scala & the G9X cradle/mounting bracket is NOT available separate from the whole kit yet. The part number I show above must not be the correct number I'm guessing.

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