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post #1 of 11 Old Jan 26th, 2013, 4:12 pm Thread Starter
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Exact Problem with Bluetooth?

Hey All.

Lots of threads here, but most seem to focus around RT with full audio system. Seems that none of the popular (sena, scala, etc) systems will fully pair.

So my question ... what about just BMW Nav IV (no factory audio). Can this be paired with popular bluetooth solutions (+ iPhone) or is the GPS specifically the problem? I really just want GPS commands, iPhone and rider to passenger.

Thanks, wanting a GPS badly, but so many comments on problems with bluetooth. Thanks for setting me straight.

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Re: Exact Problem with Bluetooth?

Blair -

I'm not sure what you mean by "fully pair". It is true that no system other than the BMW system will have the volume controlled by the WunderWheel.

My Sena pairs with no problem to both the RT Audio (in A2DP mode) and to my Zumo 660 in HFP mode.

The Nav IV is a Zumo 660 with a bit of added firmware to allow it to use the Nav IV docking station. In all other respects it is identical to the Zumo 660.

You should have no problem pairing the Sena with an Iphone in A2DP+HFP for music+phone and with the Nav IV for HFP to get turn-by-turn.

The Nav IV does have one trade-off. The cradle is set up so that there is no way to get stereo audio out except by BlueTooth (I think!). The audio-out port is blocked. As such, you will not be able to use the .mp3 player in the Nav IV because your Sena, which only supports one A2DP connection (but multiple HFP connections) is paired to your iPhone.

Truth be told, I'd buy the Zumo. Those four buttons on the side aren't that critical/beneficial.

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Thanks Tom.

Exactly what I needed to know. I also appreciate your perspective re: differences between a Nav IV and Zumo 660, There is a significant different in $$$ between the two.

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Blair -

Glad to help.

BTW, I made a mis-statement. I said the audio port on the Nav IV is blocked by the cradle. That's not true, the Nav IV/Z660 have no audio-out port on the GPS unit.

The BMW cradle does not have a stereo audio out cable; it only has power and mono audio out.

The Z660 cradle has setero audio out, power, and an antenna connection (used for the optional XM radio).

I was confusing my Nuvis with my Zumies ;^).

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Hi Blair,

I have a 2008 RT with no factory radio. My method was to use the Zumo 660 that pairs to the cell phone bluetooth, then connect the Zumo to a J&M Itegratr 4(switch wired to bike power). This gives me Intercom, FM radio, Gps voice signals, and MP3 music from the Zumo.

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Re: Exact Problem with Bluetooth?

I'm running a Sena SMH10, with both my NavIV and iPhone connecting to it via BT. I've completely bypassed the RT's audio system. Works fairly well - I can hear music/take phone calls from my phone and get turn-by-turns from the NavIV without issue. Music sound quality is fair (helmet speakers aren't the best in terms of music quality - if I really want to hear the music, I'll wear in-ear monitors hooked directly to an mp3 player, but I digress...), and being able to hear turn-by-turns is great. Things connect quickly when all's turned on and ready to go. I haven't had the opportunity to try a phone call while on the road (works fine while sitting still in the garage), so I can't comment on call quality while riding. I also haven't hooked the SMH10 to another rider, so I can't comment on the helmet to helmet comms.

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Wow, thanks everyone. That clears up pretty much all my questions!

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But wait, there's more... If you want weather, traffic and XM on the GPS you will need a 665... None of the others will do that (the Zumo 550 will). The weather and traffic features are great... Especially if you live in a huge traffic problem city like LA. The weather is always nice to see what you may be riding into.

BE ADVISED - if you have an iPhone 5 you will have issues with inbound phone calls. That's another huge problem for another post.

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If you read through the zumo forums about the 660 and 665 it seems as if they take two bites of the apple, use two bluetooth handshakes which causes problems if you want to pair more than a phone,

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If you read through the zumo forums about the 660 and 665 it seems as if they take two bites of the apple, use two bluetooth handshakes which causes problems if you want to pair more than a phone,

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Anyone know what Nuvi GPS units will work well with a Sena 10/BMW audio system? I have a 2006 era BMW Nav III BTcapable GPS that I will install on the 2013 RT with audio option once I take delivery next week.

First priority is using the RT's audio (FM, Mp3 iPod Touch MP3) piped to the Sena SHM 10 headset.
Second priority is getting GPS audio to the Sena
Third priority is getting phone conversation the the Sena.
Last priority is getting bike-to-bide intercom to the Sena.

I don't mind spending maybe $250 for a newer GPS so I can get GPS audio to the headset. Anyone know what models (Zumos are too expensive!) will work? I'm hoping my old Nav III will work and I will try that first of course).

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Re: Exact Problem with Bluetooth?

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Anyone know what Nuvi GPS units will work well with a Sena 10/BMW audio system?
Think you asked this in another post, but the short answer is no. However the Nav III should work.

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First priority is using the RT's audio (FM, Mp3 iPod Touch MP3) piped to the Sena SHM 10 headset.
Second priority is getting GPS audio to the Sena
Third priority is getting phone conversation the the Sena.
Last priority is getting bike-to-bide intercom to the Sena.
Pair the RT for First priority, then decide if you want to wire the touch to the RT or the GPS.
Pair GPS to Sena for second priority.
Pair Phone to GPS and GPS to Sena for third priority.
Pair Sena to Sena for last priority..will ONLY work with other Sena headsets.

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I don't mind spending maybe $250 for a newer GPS so I can get GPS audio to the headset. Anyone know what models (Zumos are too expensive!) will work? I'm hoping my old Nav III will work and I will try that first of course).
Once again only the Nav III or a Zumo will do this. HTH

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