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post #1 of 28 Old Jul 16th, 2016, 4:50 am Thread Starter
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I've decided to start a thread to educate others as I journey through the fun and games of this whole lark.

I use the bike for everything and I have taken the liberty to prioritise what I need the systems for, while starting at the very beginning, considering how Bluetooth (BT) protocols work and how they are handled by SENA, BMW, Garmin and others.

This will get "wordy" but hang in there- as I go through the challenges I'll post network maps and more info. Firstly there are three protocols of Bluetooth connection that we give a hoot about:

1. HFP or hands-free protocols. These are for mobile phone connection, giving two-way instructions and general controls. You can have only one of these active at any time.

2. A2DP or Advanced Audio Distribution Protocol. This is for the distribution of stereo music and audio controls.

3. Headset Protocols (for audio recieving and some commands)

You can get more info on these by googling them.

Firstly is the SENA SMH headsets. They can accept three types of connection:

1. Mobile phone pairing: This is the primary connection to smart phones (or BMW NAV V that channel Smart Phone capabilities) and includes HFP and A2DP. It lets you connect your smartphone to the headset and have full functionality including music etc. You can have only one of these paired at any time.

2. Phone selective pairing OR Multipoint Pairing (the manual and voice menu of the headset uses different terminology). This gives HFP ONLY. It is accessed by entering mobile phone pairing (press and hold phone button for five seconds) and within 2 seconds tapping the phone button again. (again, the manual has an error here- this cost me about a month of frustration). You can have one of these paired along with the primary phone on the SMH10

3. Media selective pairing: this is for A2DP protocol only. It is accessed by entering phone pairing and then tapping the JOG button. You can have one of these paired along with the primary phone on the SMH10

So, in summary, the SENA headset line is super-awesome and can do lots, even the basic one (SMH10, which I have as I have a Bell MAG-9 and a Bell RS-1). Next, I'll explore connection combinations.

Hang in there!
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BMW AP (Audio system):

The BMW Audio system, fitted to the R1200RT from mid-2011 and K1600GT/L, specifically has to be connected to a Bluetooth headset such as the System or SENA etc.

Whether you have a Navigator fitted (via cradle) or not, the audio outputs via either the speakers* or BT output only.

*The RT and K16GT have rear speaker outputs available, and many have wired in to this output and created a hard-wired output that can be switched via internal speakers (on the dash) and the rear speaker output via the fader. This may come in handy later.

There is the possibility if the BT output from the bike is active, it can be switched between the speakers and helmet simply by switching the BT off and on.

BUT!

It can be connected to a Navigator IV or V, or a SENA SR10/ SM10 via A2DB.

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SENA SR10:

The SENA SR10 UHF adapter functions on the HFP, and as such needs to be connected as a second "mobile phone" in order to function as the UHF connection. That's how it was designed to work. It is to be connected using multipoint pairing. If you are to use the SR10 as anything else (such as a hub for music, GPS input etc) it may need to be connected as the primary "phone".

You can see now that depending on configuration, you need to select how you are to pair everything up.

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BMW Navigator V:

I have only experience with the Nav V, so this applies to it.

The Nav V can function as it's own Bluetooth hub and as such can handle all the the functions of the smartphone (siri/ Cortana) and music. Therefore pairing the Nav as the primary phone (HFP/ A2DP) to the SENA headset, and the phone to it makes sense.

Effectively the Nav V becomes the Heads-up Display (HUD) of the bike, controlling the GPS effort (of course), Phone controls including Siri (via the voice command button in the phone menu) and the bike audio is the "rock box".

The BMW AP can feed the SMH10 via A2DP Multi-point audio.

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ARRANGEMENT 1:

SMH10 to NAV V as primary phone, iPhone 6s to Nav V.

Works perfectly. Can use Siri via voice command app in navigator and all seems to be in synch.

Only issue is that the Navigator won't play media from the phone, indicating that it has created only an HFP connection to the phone. One can only assume that the Navigator needs another input (A2DP) from an audio input to play media to the headset. This could be the bike....

ORDER OF POWERING UP:

Ensure Bluetooth is on, on the phone (I leave mine on)
Power up headset, listen for "Hello",
start bike/ turn on navigator.

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After a lot of trial and error, the bike will pair with the helmet (A2DP) but it sounds shite. This is pretty common apparently.

The following arrangement works to give good audio however bypasses the bike audio:

Arrangement 2:

SMH10 to iPhone 6s (Phone pairing #1)
SMH10 to NAV V (Phone pairing #2)

Pretty much everything works, but bypasses the BMW audio.

ORDER OF POWERING UP:

Ensure Bluetooth is on, on the phone (I leave mine on)
Power up headset, listen for "Hello", "Phone Paired", then
start bike/ turn on navigator. "Phone paired" will be heard again.
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Re: SENA SMH**, BMW AP, NAV V, SR10 (UHF) and iPhone ** Bluetooth spaghetti

I wished I had this info two months ago when we started a 6 week tour. I discovered this same order of powering on with our Scala's & Zumo 550 about two weeks into the ride. Was extremely frustrating for about 2,000+ miles. Great detailed explanation with definitions, and I Thank You!
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I've tried a few more arrangements on the bike and have found the following:

No matter how you paint it, the audio output from the bike is clearly a different signal to the common A2DP. It only wants to connect using HP (headset protocol). The "Sena Solution" spoken of elsewhere on this forum, either via a bluetooth A2DP transmitter or 3.5mm plug into an SM or SR10 is the fix. full control of bike audio output to the helmet.

I'm satisfied with using the speakers for now, so I'll work on the audio to the helmet before my next big trip. Simple to do.

The SR10/ UHF added complexity however future arrangement could be having this hard-wired to the bike and using it as a hub for audio input (via rear speaker output), GPS and UHF. I feel this might actually be the most stable setup and something I will work on.

The current, working arrangement is this:

SMH10 to NAV V as primary phone, iPhone 6s to Nav V.
SR10 to Helmet as multi-point paired.

Pairing order: (after clearing all pairings on all devices):
Helmet to Nav.
Nav to phone.
Helmet (multi-point) to SR10 (as per Sena instructions).
Phone to SR10 (as per Sena instructions)

REGULAR RIDING ARRANGEMENT:

Works perfectly. Can use Siri via voice command app in navigator and all seems to be in synch. Phone plugs into bike via lightning connector, all music comes out of the speakers, nav directions come out of headset, as does phone calls. Full control of phone from Navigator.

ORDER OF POWERING UP:

Ensure Bluetooth is on, on the phone (I leave mine on)
Plug phone into bike.
Power up headset, listen for "Hello",
start bike/ turn on navigator.


UHF RIDING ARRANGEMENT:

As before, all music is out of main speakers, Nav directions will also come out of speakers, although for some reason I got directions out of helmet once? Full Siri control from SMH10 buttons on helmet, no control on GPS though. For what I wanted, which was UHF capability and ability to answer phone, I have got what I want here.

ORDER OF POWERING UP:

Ensure Bluetooth is on, on the phone (I leave mine on),
Plug phone into bike.
Power up SR10, (leave UHF off)
Power up headset, listen for "Hello", "Phone Connected"
Start bike/ turn on navigator.
Listen for "media connected" (Nav V) Ensure correct flashing sequence on SR10 and headset is connected to

Turn on UHF, do radio check. Ensure audio cuts in and out correctly.


I will add to this another day when I have trialled a hard-wired SR10 arrangement.

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The "Sena Solution" spoken of elsewhere on this forum, either via a bluetooth A2DP transmitter or 3.5mm plug into an SM or SR10 is the fix. full control of bike audio output to the helmet.
After further research, the SR10 does not support A2DP, only HFP. If you want that, you need to go to the SM10.

It is pointless plugging the bike audio output into this as it will result in mono audio.

So the final configuration will be as follows:

Helmet to navigator (HFP) via priority mobile phone pairing,
Navigator paired to the phone.
Phone plugged into the bike in the glove box, giving full audio control.
Rear speakers/ line out plugged into a Bluetooth A2DP transmitter ($20 off eBay) or SM10, and fading as desired,
Helmet paired to A2DP dongle or SM10, so I can have helmet music as desired (long trips)
SR10 paired to helmet using Sena instructions, stand alone.

For the cost of a few plugs and about a week's worth of grey- matter, I'll end up with a fully-functioning Comms and audio integration.

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After further research, the SR10 does not support A2DP, only HFP. If you want that, you need to go to the SM10.

It is pointless plugging the bike audio output into this as it will result in mono audio.

So the final configuration will be as follows:

Helmet to navigator (HFP) via priority mobile phone pairing,
Navigator paired to the phone.
Phone plugged into the bike in the glove box, giving full audio control.
Rear speakers/ line out plugged into a Bluetooth A2DP transmitter ($20 off eBay) or SM10, and fading as desired,
Helmet paired to A2DP dongle or SM10, so I can have helmet music as desired (long trips)
SR10 paired to helmet using Sena instructions, stand alone.

For the cost of a few plugs and about a week's worth of grey- matter, I'll end up with a fully-functioning Comms and audio integration.

After a bit of trial, and error, I seem to be having drama with the phone call quality through the Navigator. This seems to be a bit of "a thing" and functionality of the phone controls of the Nav V isn't as seamless as Siri direct via the SMH10.

So I have paired the following way:

SMH10 headset to Phone, main connection.
Phone to navigator, for data support (live traffic etc)
SR10 to phone (multipoint pairing) and phone, triangular as per SR10 manual. (I use a Uniden UH950s, BTW)
SM10 to SMH10 via multipoint media pairing, hard wired to the rear speakers "line out" and switched power from rear powerlet socket.

Nothing struggles to pair, hooks up every time, You simply just switch everything on in this order:

Key on bike (which initialises the SM10),
Switch on SR10 (if you're using it),
Turn on SMH10 (rider's) and listen for all pairings.

In the future, I will buy my wife an SMH10 also, and it will be paired to her phone, and the SM10 for shared audio.

Optional will be the intercom
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If you're mimicking my setup, then this will work.

Clear all pairings on the headset, factory reset on SM & SR10. delete all previous pairings on Navigator V (5) and iPhone.
  1. Turn off all units, and switch off Bluetooth on iPhone,
  2. Firstly pair the SMH10 to the Navigator V via normal phone pairing (Press and hold phone button for 5 seconds),
  3. Switch Bluetooth on, on iPhone,
  4. Pair Nav V to iPhone,
  5. go into Nav V bluetooth settings and under the SMH10 de-select "media",
  6. Turn iPhone and Nav Bluetooth off.
  7. Pair the SR10 to the SMH10 via Multipoint pairing (press and hold jog dial 5 sec, then tap phone button),
  8. Pair the SM10 to the SMH10 via "Media Select Pairing" (press and hold phone button, tap jog dial),
  9. Turn everything off,
  10. switch all units on, with the SMH10 LAST. This is the powering up order, all the time. The headset may take up to 20 seconds to connect to all three units.

If you are not using an SM10, insert BMW bike Bluetooth here. This also assumes you will be plugging the phone into the console on the bike, giving wonderwheel control of all audio (and two volume dials, headset and wheel). If you are not going to connect to the bike or an SM10, (eg completely bypass on-board audio) then you have one further pairing to do:

Pair the SMH10 to the iPhone via "Media select pairing". This will allow the phone to send music to the headset, all controlled form on board the Nav V,
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I have been working with a TomTom Rider, a SMH10 and a SMH5 and an iPhone. The SMH10 is my primary and the SMH5 is my pillion. I don't remember exactly how I paired everything but the SMH10 pairs properly with the phone and then with the TomTom and I initially get a connect from my pillion SMH5 and we can speak but the SMH5 drops the connection to the SMH10 while riding.

I haven't figured out what is killing it yet but I think it is either the phone or the GPS preempting. I know it will blank out the other sources when the GPS speaks to me but then it returns. I know this as I have been on the phone and received directions with no pillion present during the conversation and that seems to work but the pillion doesn't seem to come back and I hear no voice command from either the phone or GPS to indicate a command preempt before the SMH5 drops.

The SMH10 to SMH5 pairing worked fine before I added the TomTom so I suspect that is the culprit. Next ride, I will shut off the GPS and see if i still have the same issue. Anyone know if this is a pairing mode issue or is this something someone else has overcome and has the cause and a proper order of operation and protocol use for this. I think both the GPS and iPhone are paired directly to the SMH10 along with the SMH5.

Not sure I always want my GPS on in order to be able to use the phone.

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How does the NAV V control the music on the iPhone?
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How does the NAV V control the music on the iPhone?
It's not a function I've tested as on the RT the wonderwheel does it. But if you tick the box for media, in the phone and headset Bluetooth settings in the Nav V, you can do so. But from what I can tell, it's only on bikes that don't have onboard audio (like a GS or an R). You can't play with audio on the Nav on a GT or an RT.

Can someone try this out and chime in?
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BMW AP (Audio system):



*The RT and K16GT have rear speaker outputs available, and many have wired in to this output and created a hard-wired output that can be switched via internal speakers (on the dash) and the rear speaker output via the fader. This may come in handy later.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think the RTs from 2014 on up to 2016 have a rear speaker output. I've checked with BMW service, and I cannot find anything that states otherwise. Of course, you can hardwire your own if you have the necessary skills.


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Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think the RTs from 2014 on up to 2016 have a rear speaker output. I've checked with BMW service, and I cannot find anything that states otherwise. Of course, you can hardwire your own if you have the necessary skills.
You are correct, no rear speakers on WC models. I haven't had the time to look into the possibility of hooking up my SM10 to the system so the wife can have music to Vs sharing from my SMH10R, life would be better .

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Bugger. That's a shame. I read somewhere they did?

So what's the best setup for an LC model?do they suffer from crap BT output like the Twin-cams?
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Bugger. That's a shame. I read somewhere they did?

So what's the best setup for an LC model?do they suffer from crap BT output like the Twin-cams?
Yea, the BT audio output from the bike is horrible on the SMH-10 speakers, and I have given up on them, having tried multiple "high end" helmet speakers. I ended up using in-ear buds with the earbud adaptor cable available from Sena. My link sequence is a little different from yours, but it lets me listen to my iPhone, although I cannot access Siri. I can make and receive calls through the Nav interface. Here is what I have been doing for the last few years, and it is fairly reliable:
iPhone BT off; Turn on Sena and link to bike using A2DP (Nav5 is off or detached during this step); start Nav5, which is linked via multipoint; turn on iPhone which will then link to Nav5. If you want iPhone media, you can use either the adaptor BMW cable or plug in a separate BT adaptor to the USB port in the right hand cubby. I have a device called Tune2Air, which links to the iPhone via simple BT. So now I have everything coming to the Sena and I can use the Src button to switch between Sirius, FM, or iPhone Media. Pandora, Spotify, and other iPhone apps are readily available, but only the music in iTunes can be controlled via the wonder wheel.
It sounds like you have put a lot of thought into this, so I welcome suggestions.


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Yea, the BT audio output from the bike is horrible on the SMH-10 speakers, and I have given up on them, having tried multiple "high end" helmet speakers. I ended up using in-ear buds with the earbud adaptor cable available from Sena. My link sequence is a little different from yours, but it lets me listen to my iPhone, although I cannot access Siri. I can make and receive calls through the Nav interface. Here is what I have been doing for the last few years, and it is fairly reliable:
iPhone BT off; Turn on Sena and link to bike using A2DP (Nav5 is off or detached during this step); start Nav5, which is linked via multipoint; turn on iPhone which will then link to Nav5. If you want iPhone media, you can use either the adaptor BMW cable or plug in a separate BT adaptor to the USB port in the right hand cubby. I have a device called Tune2Air, which links to the iPhone via simple BT. So now I have everything coming to the Sena and I can use the Src button to switch between Sirius, FM, or iPhone Media. Pandora, Spotify, and other iPhone apps are readily available, but only the music in iTunes can be controlled via the wonder wheel.
It sounds like you have put a lot of thought into this, so I welcome suggestions.
The last thing I want to try is connecting the Nav via multipoint, instead of as the main phone, and pairing the SR10 as the "phone", reverse of what I have now to try to eliminate some of the interference I get when on the phone. It pops and crackles sometimes. It could be that I need to change the microphone gain setting on the SMH10 to suit what the Nav V may be expecting.
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The last thing I want to try is connecting the Nav via multipoint, instead of as the main phone, and pairing the SR10 as the "phone", reverse of what I have now to try to eliminate some of the interference I get when on the phone. It pops and crackles sometimes. It could be that I need to change the microphone gain setting on the SMH10 to suit what the Nav V may be expecting.
Correction: I am using the Sena 10S as the helmet communicator. This may make the difference, as I have not had issues with interference.
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On my K1600 I use a J&M CB and hard wired helmets. I ride too long at a time to rely on Bluetooth. The RTP has a hardwired SetCom system that is integrated into to the BMW electronics. We have a few officers that have been experimenting with the Sena and also Motorola wireless systems.
One of the big problems that some have been having is interference when the SMH** is plugged into a power source.


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On my K1600 I use a J&M CB and hard wired helmets. I ride too long at a time to rely on Bluetooth. The RTP has a hardwired SetCom system that is integrated into to the BMW electronics. We have a few officers that have been experimenting with the Sena and also Motorola wireless systems.
One of the big problems that some have been having is interference when the SMH** is plugged into a power source.
Western Australia Police have gone to theSena SMH10's, and an SR10 on the bike, within lots of custom wiring behind them to the police radio and PTT buttons. No issues, they last all shift even when copping a hammering on Comms.
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Ok guys I'm trialling a setup that looks like it's working great, and stable.

I'll post more as I go.

I have 32 days solid (full days) on the bike before Christmas. Should be enough time to work out the bugs
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Great write up. These same issues buggered me too - and I just gave up and paired my iphone 6 to my SMH10 and called it a day. I have new hope, after reading your posts, so I will try again.

I like to keep it simple:

I want to use the iphone through my Nav5, so I can use as a HUD and see weather, etc on the NAV. In addition, I want to see the incoming calls and notification on the NAV5 and still be able to answer the calls through the SMH10.

As far as audio, I have a 64gb memory stick loaded into the system and just let it randomly play any of my 6000 favoritate songs!

Any other suggestions would be great.

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post #25 of 28 Old Sep 7th, 2016, 7:12 pm Thread Starter
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Re: SENA SMH**, BMW AP, NAV V, SR10 (UHF) and iPhone ** Bluetooth spaghetti

So in the wash up, it seems that the manuals differ by firmware version quite greatly, but seem to have consistent instructions on pairing procedures. They are all rubbish, only because of the syntax and sentence structure makes it confusing. I've had to talk with Sena on a few occasions, trialled a lot of combinations but I've found one that seems to be the most stable.

The Nav V will try to take over everything, so you can do two things with the Nav V, either pair THROUGH it, to the headset or pair in PARALLELL to it, direct to the phone.

The difference is that when paired through the Nav, you have full HUD control, but lose Siri capability, and the reverse with the parallel setup.

I've chosen to pair in parallel as I prefer Siri capability over the HUD. Though I may change my mind

I get some Bluetooth interference when paired through the navigator which is not present when the headset is paired direct to the phone. Not sure why but I may do some more research. It could be a firmware problem.

@hkeithmurray I would suggest pairing the headset to the phone, then the phone to the Nav V. If you use the speakers on the bike or a separate Bluetooth transmitter (either BMW or some other transmitter) then go into the Bluetooth settings on the navigator and untick "media" in phone setting menu. Otherwise the navigator will try to hijack the whole operation, and on the RT that's a problem as the audio from the navigator is programmed to go out through the bike....

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The SR10 on my bike is stand-alone and treated as a "plug-in module" which I only turn on when I want the UHF/ CB. As it is paired by phone selective pairing you can have everything else without it. I will soon be hardwiring the SR10 under the seat with a custom harness so only the radio is on the dash.

The SM10 (my audio feed) is wired into the line out of the 2012 model, and lives in my phone compartment after a small cutout was made in the foam and a wire port was drilled and sealed for it to live there. It is paired to the helmet via phone pairing. I'm still working on a switched power source that won't give any white noise.

Hope this makes sense? Feel free to ask any questions.
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Re: SENA SMH**, BMW AP, NAV V, SR10 (UHF) and iPhone ** Bluetooth spaghetti

Thanks for the tip. I will give it a try and let you know how it goes!
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Re: SENA SMH**, BMW AP, NAV V, SR10 (UHF) and iPhone ** Bluetooth spaghetti

BTW - is there any particular order to power everything up? I noticed in the other posts you were really specific on this part?

Thanks again for you help!

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BTW - is there any particular order to power everything up? I noticed in the other posts you were really specific on this part?

Thanks again for you help!
I found that it worked best if you switched on the headset, allowed it to pair to the phone, if that was what you are doing, then the SR10, then the Nav (bike) (if you were going through the Nav for the phone). Not sure why, it all seems stable.

Every now and again I have to tap the PTT button on the SR10 to force connection, but generally after 10-30seconds (at the very worst) it paired.


So the short answer is no, no real powering up procedure other than only switching one device on at a time, allowing it to connect to the helmet before switching on the next device.
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