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Did you mean the Obamacare depicted by the new USPS stamp?
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Repeat after me, guys, Fox "News" isn't really news . . .

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Repeat after me, guys, Fox "News" isn't really news . . .
Neither is NBC,CBS, or ABC where anything related to government is concerned. All scared, whitewashed "reporting".

We rarely know what is really going on until it is too late.


The truth probably lies somewhere between Fox and the others.

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Neither is NBC,CBS, or ABC where anything related to government is concerned. All scared, whitewashed "reporting".

We rarely know what is really going on until it is too late.


The truth probably lies somewhere between Fox and the others.
Agree, not to mention the Phoney in the WH Mr. Transparent...

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OK, I'll bite. What is wrong with FOX News? There is a reason their ratings beat all the other news sources by a very large margin. Much more trust there than the rest of the press.

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OK, I'll bite. What is wrong with FOX News? There is a reason their ratings beat all the other news sources by a very large margin. Much more trust there than the rest of the press.

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Nothing at all. I feel there is more truth available there than the other sources. The reason I do not watch Fox news often is that when the broadcast is over I am usually so spun up I want to kick a kitten. To paraphrase Jack Nicholson "I can't handle the truth", at least not for long periods. The others leave me feeling they did not tell me all we really need to know.

The problem is that so many gullible people out there think Fox is wrong, when they are likely the most truthful source out there.

I find it hard to believe that all that many people feel that "Obama Care" is good overall. Some praise getting health care to those who cannot afford it, but absolutely howl in pain if THEIR rates go up. Where in Hell did they think that money was going to come from, the Tooth Fairy?

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Fox does a much better job of telling both sides of the story. Many liberal commentators and thought provoking discussions are setup with opposing views.

Most Fox naysayers, have never even watched the network and get the opinion content confused with hard news.

ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN are a freaking joke!

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the tooth fairy is as good as any other place. people are NOT thinking of where it's going to come from. that thought process is being absorbed by our young'uns and they're spitting out "i think it's free".

they ain't thinking any more. and they're the ones that elected that person (don't want to call him a 'man'.)

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Nothing at all. I feel there is more truth available there than the other sources. The reason I do not watch Fox news often is that when the broadcast is over I am usually so spun up I want to kick a kitten. To paraphrase Jack Nicholson "I can't handle the truth", at least not for long periods. The others leave me feeling they did not tell me all we really need to know.

The problem is that so many gullible people out there think Fox is wrong, when they are likely the most truthful source out there.

I find it hard to believe that all that many people feel that "Obama Care" is good overall. Some praise getting health care to those who cannot afford it, but absolutely howl in pain if THEIR rates go up. Where in Hell did they think that money was going to come from, the Tooth Fairy?

Dave I agree with you a 100%; for any of us that are really in work force or self employed are going to pay darely; it could easly take some business out of the picture because of that Obama Care

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Did you mean the Obamacare depicted by the new USPS stamp?

Not to take anything away from the previous discussion, but I think this is one of the funniest things I've seen in some time and I have forwarded it to several friends. Thanks.

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...ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN are a freaking joke!
Don't forget NPR/PBS - spent a lot of time listening to NPR over the last few months (guy I worked with on assignment) and my favorite bias story was they were rebutting a study by the Cato institute about how you can make more money on welfare than working at minimum wage in some states. Naturally they found some chick in one of those states (RI) and interviewed her extensively about how hard pressed she is on the dole etc. At the end of the story they mentioned that she had found a job with a non-profit (which must make her a better person?) at $12 / hr and closed the story with her saying that she was just barely breaking even with welfare...um...they just wasted 10 minutes of my life 'proving' to me the study was wrong, and then closed it out with a validation of the study while still maintaining the line that the study was inaccurate - wow, drink the Kool-Aid NPR listeners, and they say Fox is bad.

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Slammer is a €uropean and truly doesn't understand why US people get worked up about affordable healthcare.)

Why is affordable healthcare such a problem? If you are employed you pay a bit into the system with a part of your wages, and as an employer you pay a bit into the system with the wage by-costs, that means that you don't have to worry about having the money to pay for doctors or medicine or medical procedures for you or your family. It also means that if you get into a situation where you can't pay (I am in one now) the state can and will give assistance, isn't a person getting better as soon as possible better for the workforce and therefore the economy?

What surprises me is when I read a report about far higher costs of medicine in the US, for instance, a hip replacement in the US would cost around 100.000$ whereas it costs around 20.000$ in Europe, that is simply a perverted gouging, a government health scheme would stop this mis-practice, bringing the cost of medical procedures down to a more realistic level.
The only way, in my opinion, governmental based healthcare would not work in the US is that you need the social infrastructure that goes with it, as I see it, the US version of social healthcare is a standalone, for it to work the US society would have to become more socialist in other ways than just simply Obamacare alone.

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I usually wait till Jon Stewart and The Daily Show comes on for my daily dose of what's been reported as reality... Seems to be almost believable.

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I thought the proper term was the Unaffordable Care Act.

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Really like the stamp idea ! Post Office should incorporate it into the holiday stamps..

For those who drank the Kool-Aid we will all suffer the consequences of what has been shoved down the throats of the American public. Just the beginning of the bleeding of fiscal funds he has caused. Not to mention the increased additional cost for most of the public.

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So. would we rather stick with the third rate health care system the U.S. has now? Most expensive in the industrial world, and the lest efficient.
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So. would we rather stick with the third rate health care system the U.S. has now? Most expensive in the industrial world, and the lest efficient.
Huh

About 85% of the legal US population has health care insurance. Of around 15% that don't have health care insurance close to 10% can afford it but choose for one reason or another not to purchase it. That leaves about 5% that can not afford health care insurance.

Other than the federal government wanting to control 100% of our health care & about 1/6th of the economy why in the hell didn't the federal government just address the problem of the few that couldn't actually afford it.

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because they see socialized medicine in EU and they think they can do the same thing. they are socialists and that's their drive.

this country will be converted if we're not vocal and careful. Damn!

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So. would we rather stick with the third rate health care system the U.S. has now? Most expensive in the industrial world, and the lest efficient.
I do not see it as inefficent at all. Everything I have had to have done has been done quickly, and in my opinion very well.

The problem with it being the most expensive is the one that is the BIG problem! We let greed be the driving force. When the same procedures are done in other countries for a fraction of what they cost here, and the same exact drugs cost a fraction of what they do here, that is the massive problem we have.

The cost of even small items in an itemized hospital bill is mind boggling.

If you have good insurance, the cost of everything is astronomical. If you have no insurance, you sometimes still get the same thing, at a drastically reduced rate.

I see the problem as being caused by the insurance companies just paying the bills, and not fighting for reasonable charges, then the rates go up to pay for it.

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Dave, I work for a non-profit hospital*and we NEVER turn ANYONE away. If the cops pick up a lifetime alcoholic in the ditch and send him to us he spends 10 days in intensive care, another 2-3 days in a step down unit, and another 60 days in a regular hospital room because we can't discharge him/her to the streets and no one will accept the dude until medicare/medicaid is in place (the social workers at the hospital take care of this process too). EVERYONE gets the same level of care regardless of ability to pay. For all this service we get absolutely NOTHING! And then the dude walks away from the resident care facility, gets lit up again and it starts all over. This happens all the time. And don't forget the poor freakin' souls who are mentally ill and have been forced from institutional living to the community mental health model. No longer in a mental hospital (there virtually are none left in the US) they are forced to live in the community. When this fails guess where they go. Yup to us. We were 103 days waiting for a spot to open up in one of the two public mental health facilities in the state appropriate for a recent patient. We MIGHT be able to recover some of this cost. At least some of it.Operating profit fy 2011 was $112 million on revenue of $1.638 billion. Operating profit fy2012 was $12million. Not much of a profit especially considering the unknown costs of obamacare etc. We aint getting rich. We write off literally 100's of $ millions each year for indigent services. It's the right thing to do. These people should have access to healthcare so they get it regardless of their ability to pay.

Another issue that may not be well known is that compensation for an illness/procedure is dictated by the insurance companies or medicare/medicaid XYZ illness allows only X number of days. These lengths of stay are short. Very short. If the patient is not ready to go home then the hospital eats the cost for the extended stay. Someone gets a UTI from a catheter? We pay for it. This is reasonable but still expensive. If some poor confused person gets up in the middle of the night with no family member to stay with them, and the staff is not able to answer the bed exit alarm and get to the patient before they fall? Oh yeah. CT scan, xrays for the fractured hip, surgery and appliance for the hip replacement at $100k+ and we get to eat this one too. If the patient is released and returns to the hospital within 30 days we pay for the total cost of this stay too.

As far as the insurance companies paying whatever the hospital bills? Go back and pull the sheets that explain the payment to the hospital. Not even close to paying the amount billed.

The cost of small items? Take a Vicoden (5 mg hydrocodone, 500 mg acetaminophen). Cost at the pharmacy on the corner? Probably $1.50. At the hospital? Probably $25.00. The pharmacist is the only one at a pharmacy who gets paid any money. $65K - $120K. The hospital has Pharmacists who make more money because of their additionally required credentials. We are also, obviously, required to have pharmacists on duty 24X7. The hospital then purchases and pays for the med in large quantities, store it until needed, send a technician to fill the Pyxis (the machine that controls medication dispensing on each hospital unit, pay the nurse to make sure the order is correct FOR EACH MEDICATION FOR EACH PATIENT EVERY TIME, dispense the medication to the patient, and chart the information. The Pyxis is an EXPENSIVE piece of equipment. So are the computer systems, scanners and software used to make the dispensing of the med to the patient as safe as possible. Right med, right patient, right strength, right dose, right route, right time, etc. It costs a lot of money to manage that one single med.

By the way, the nurses and the doctors aren't getting rich either. If you want to make good coin as a physician you had better be a surgeon. Eyes are good, cardiovascular is better, neurology is even better yet.

I wish we were getting rich but we aren't. Maybe next year. Sorry for the RIDICULOUSLY long post but it is nice to be able to get the word out from a different perspective from someone who lives it.

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I do not see it as inefficent at all. Everything I have had to have done has been done quickly, and in my opinion very well.

The problem with it being the most expensive is the one that is the BIG problem! We let greed be the driving force. When the same procedures are done in other countries for a fraction of what they cost here, and the same exact drugs cost a fraction of what they do here, that is the massive problem we have.

The cost of even small items in an itemized hospital bill is mind boggling.


I see the problem as being caused by the insurance companies just paying the bills, and not fighting for reasonable charges, then the rates go up to pay for it.

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I wish I could explain in detail how it works in Europe, but that is far above my pay grade, at the end of the day it does. There are functional differences in the member states, some work better than others but the end result is the same, you get the best medical assistance available, Switzerland has a totally different systems where you get franchised medicine, you can opt to buy cheap per month and have the insurance kick in at higher cost, say you pay 800 Franks/Month (300 yourself 500 your employer) and your insurance kicks in at costs over 1500 Franks, or you pay a higher franchise and the insurance starts at a lower amount. But the insurance, like in the rest of Europe is mandatory, you can't get out, unless you are unemployed or a pensioner, then the state takes over your insurance, under 18s are insured with their parents.
For the poster working at a non-profit hospital, that simply doesn't exist here, because healthcare is mandatory the hospital would simply bill the persons insurance, everybody wins.

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but that's the point, isn't it. eveyone DOESN'T win. the cost is not absorbed by any ONE person but by the system and the taxpayer and employer. IS the system. so the taxpayer and employer pay. the "state/country" passes it on. the money must come from somewhere.

companies in the US are now putting valued employees on a part time basis so they can avoid paying the insurance of the part time employee. to again, that comes back to the taxpayer.

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Mike, the "Who pays" in the European model is really quite simple. It is not a benefit for an employee, it is an entitlement from the government. I have a friend who moved to Denmark for a 1 year stint as a researcher for a major pharmaceuticals company. He wound up living there for 7 years, married a Dane, etc. The way the system is paid for is by taxation. Taxes on income for the average Joe are very high (more than 50%). But, you don't have to worry about healthcare costs, saving for retirement, etc. Danish law requires that EVERY worker receives 6 weeks vacation each year. If you change jobs during a year the company that you leave forwards the financial equivalent of whatever amount of vacation you are entitled to straight to the new company. It is a cradle to grave system. To give you an idea of how high the income tax is, the companies cater in meals everyday in lieu of raises because the raise has no significance. The taxes eat it up.

Oh, and in the case of Denmark, you also get a smokin' Queen. And I mean cigarettes.

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but that's the point, isn't it. eveyone DOESN'T win. the cost is not absorbed by any ONE person but by the system and the taxpayer and employer. IS the system. so the taxpayer and employer pay. the "state/country" passes it on. the money must come from somewhere.

companies in the US are now putting valued employees on a part time basis so they can avoid paying the insurance of the part time employee. to again, that comes back to the taxpayer.

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...But, you don't have to worry about healthcare costs, saving for retirement, etc...It is a cradle to grave system...
Tell that to the Greeks.

The real problem with Obamacare is that it does nothing about the cost of healthcare, just mandates health insurance which is supposed to magically fix everything. It is not a model of the European system in any way.

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well, it's more complex than i care to concern myself with. i probably have 15 max to live. i dont' need these issues in my last years. on the other hand, i detest leaving my kids and grand kids with these problems/issues.

my sister has a business in Spain. she only tells me of the issues she has to live with. her employees will NOT quit or leave-why should they? they have a great life paid for by my sister and their taxes. what kind of life is that, really? she puts so much money into the state programs that she makes very little (not to mention as a result of the econimic situation there. i do not understand why she contines to work at 75 years of age. leave it and take the money for her last years, is my suggestion. but then, i live here, not there.

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Tell that to the Greeks.

The real problem with Obamacare is that it does nothing about the cost of healthcare, just mandates health insurance which is supposed to magically fix everything. It is not a model of the European system in any way.
Steve, the system I described is the one the Danes use. I dont know how it works in Greece. The Swiss model doesn't appear to be too much different than the system Obama is espousing.

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American (ALL of us in CA at least - probably very similar in other states) are already taxed at more than 33% rate, on average on payroll. If you add up all withholdings (Fed, State, Local, SDI, Social Security, etc.). If the Gov't keeps it, it's a tax.

This doesn't count sales tax, and property taxes.

We are ALREADY approaching 50% taxes.

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Mike, the "Who pays" in the European model is really quite simple. It is not a benefit for an employee, it is an entitlement from the government. I have a friend who moved to Denmark for a 1 year stint as a researcher for a major pharmaceuticals company. He wound up living there for 7 years, married a Dane, etc. The way the system is paid for is by taxation. Taxes on income for the average Joe are very high (more than 50%). But, you don't have to worry about healthcare costs, saving for retirement, etc. Danish law requires that EVERY worker receives 6 weeks vacation each year. If you change jobs during a year the company that you leave forwards the financial equivalent of whatever amount of vacation you are entitled to straight to the new company. It is a cradle to grave system. To give you an idea of how high the income tax is, the companies cater in meals everyday in lieu of raises because the raise has no significance. The taxes eat it up.

Oh, and in the case of Denmark, you also get a smokin' Queen. And I mean cigarettes.

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I hate taxes as much as the next guy but if we are ever going to get out from under this debt we are going to have to trim budgets (seriously trim not just fire the police and firefighters to make it LOOK like we are being frugal, and then hiring them back because of the public outcry) and somehow additional revenue is going to be needed to pay down the debt. Personal or business income tax. Either one and all Americans are going to have to participate. The hard part of paying increased taxes is feeling like we are getting value for our money.

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Additionally, Denmark's population is just over 5 million, yep count 'em 5 million.

New York City proper alone has almost 9 million. Too much tax already as noted above!

GEt the government out of the stuff they can't do, which is just about everything. $634 million for anon-operational website. That is just beautiful!

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If you have good insurance, the cost of everything is astronomical. If you have no insurance, you sometimes still get the same thing, at a drastically reduced rate.

I see the problem as being caused by the insurance companies just paying the bills, and not fighting for reasonable charges, then the rates go up to pay for it.
This is completely inaccurate. People just make things up. Oh yeah, it's the internet!

Insurance companies negotiate much LOWER prices for policy holder. they have reasonable and customary charges published and negotiate with their preferred providers to take a much lower rate for a flow of more patients. You get NO deal if you are private pay!

Do you want my to post a couple of my EOB's to prove it?

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Why is affordable healthcare such a problem?

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The problem is Affordable health care act or Obama care is it is not affordable. I'm no longer employed and can not get group insurance. Even with the new health care rules cost for minimum health insurance is more that twice my mortgage. I have to take so much extra out of my retirement account I'm ineligible for any help. When I bought my house eveybody said this would be the most expensive thing you buy.

My 13 mile helicopter ride cost over $30,000.00. Insurance negotiated it down to $13,000 then paid 90% after my deductable. New 2014 plan competing with Obama care is only 60% with a much higher deductible and twice the monthly premium.

Affordable it is not unless you qualify for low income assistance. Upper class can afford it the middle class can't unless they get help from their employer. The poor get help from the government. Oh yeah if you're 66 and on SS and medicare you get help too. 50-65 you're up the creek.

This is not what the people thought they were going to get.

I'm sorry this thread clearly started out as a joke and I made a non-joke reply.

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The problem is Affordable health care act or Obama care is it is not affordable. I'm no longer employed and can not get group insurance. Even with the new health care rules cost for minimum health insurance is more that twice my mortgage. I have to take so much extra out of my retirement account I'm ineligible for any help. When I bought my house eveybody said this would be the most expensive thing you buy.

My 13 mile helicopter ride cost over $30,000.00. Insurance negotiated it down to $13,000 then paid 90% after my deductable. New 2014 plan competing with Obama care is only 60% with a much higher deductible and twice the monthly premium.

Affordable it is not unless you qualify for low income assistance. Upper class can afford it the middle class can't unless they get help from their employer. The poor get help from the government. Oh yeah if you're 66 and on SS and medicare you get help too. 50-65 you're up the creek.

This is not what the people thought they were going to get.

I'm sorry this thread clearly started out as a joke and I made a non-joke reply.
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The problem is Affordable health care act or Obama care is it is not affordable. I'm no longer employed and can not get group insurance. Even with the new health care rules cost for minimum health insurance is more that twice my mortgage. I have to take so much extra out of my retirement account I'm ineligible for any help. When I bought my house eveybody said this would be the most expensive thing you buy.

My 13 mile helicopter ride cost over $30,000.00. Insurance negotiated it down to $13,000 then paid 90% after my deductable. New 2014 plan competing with Obama care is only 60% with a much higher deductible and twice the monthly premium.

Affordable it is not unless you qualify for low income assistance. Upper class can afford it the middle class can't unless they get help from their employer. The poor get help from the government. Oh yeah if you're 66 and on SS and medicare you get help too. 50-65 you're up the creek.

This is not what the people thought they were going to get.

I'm sorry this thread clearly started out as a joke and I made a non-joke reply.
Sobering information, for certain.

And don't worry about your post - the thread made a U-turn a long time ago.

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A U-turn indeed, but I must admit I find it fascinating because the aversion to the so-called Obamacare is difficult to understand, even for longtime American ex-pats here in CH.
As I said insurance is mandatory and an insurance company simply can not, 'not' insure a person.
However there are a few issues, due to FACTA ex-pat Americans (as non EU-nationals) are finding it more and more difficult to get permits, get work, be insured, heck, the banks are more than reluctant to give Americans even a bank account.

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A U-turn indeed, but I must admit I find it fascinating because the aversion to the so-called Obamacare is difficult to understand, even for longtime American ex-pats here in CH.
As I said insurance is mandatory and an insurance company simply can not, 'not' insure a person.
However there are a few issues, due to FACTA ex-pat Americans (as non EU-nationals) are finding it more and more difficult to get permits, get work, be insured, heck, the banks are more than reluctant to give Americans even a bank account.
One BIG reason a huge number of US citizens do not like the Affordable Health Care Act is that it forces those who can, if even barely, afford insurance to pay more so that insurance can be given to those who cannot. Not a bad thing at first glance, but you have to realize that the US has a very poor track record of protecting our borders from rampant infiltration of illegal aliens, and maybe even worse a growing percentage of those who take advantage of anything they can to live off others. At least your country seems to be on a track to control this to some extent. Giving even more will just cause those numbers to increase. Unfortunately, our government is NOT really doing what the people want, only what they want, and government has grown to what would be a very large percentage of your country's population. Adding state and local government, probably larger. That is just about uncontrollable, and is proving to be our undoing. Our government has become so fractured now that half the country dislikes what is going on there.

Also, you have to realize that the population of Sweden is only 9.5 million, smaller than 10 of our individual states! (1/4th of just California alone). The US population is 317 million. Along with that, there are different feelings in many states, which are running their own insurance systems rather than bow completely to the US government. Confusion abounds.

Now it seams that Obamacare is failing in so many ways it may never be fixed without a major overhaul. My father in law, 88 years old and not in the best of health, just got a letter last week stating that his insurance company is cancelling his policy in a year, and it will be unlikely he be able to get a new policy that will be affordable.

I think our insurance companies see Obamacare as a windfall event, to make far more money with the government's blessing.

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Actually it's Switzerland with only around 6 million of the buggers, Obamacare would be a great thing if the government could get it to work, but I get your point and you more or less confirm what I suspected, without the rest of the (€urosocialist) infrastructure in place it could be difficult. For instance your father in law, at 88 or 188, his age or health situation doesn't matter would not be without insurance because then his needs would be tax subsidized.
We call it (at least in German speaking countries) the Generationsvertrag, the generational contract, where the working, tax paying generation pays into the scheme for the generation who are now receiving their pensions.
It works when all pay into the system and only if the system is not swamped by unfettered immigration and/or mass unemployment, as great as the €urosystem is it is unsustainable without cutting reforms, as it is now, methinks it's days are numbered.

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Actually it's Switzerland with only around 6 million of the buggers, Obamacare would be a great thing if the government could get it to work, but I get your point and you more or less confirm what I suspected, without the rest of the (€urosocialist) infrastructure in place it could be difficult. For instance your father in law, at 88 or 188, his age or health situation doesn't matter would not be without insurance because then his needs would be tax subsidized.
We call it (at least in German speaking countries) the Generationsvertrag, the generational contract, where the working, tax paying generation pays into the scheme for the generation who are now receiving their pensions.
It works when all pay into the system and only if the system is not swamped by unfettered immigration and/or mass unemployment, as great as the €urosystem is it is unsustainable without cutting reforms, as it is now, methinks it's days are numbered.
We already have that, it's called Social Security and Medicare!

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Besides Pelosi saying they had to pass it to find out what's in it, I also saw the video when she stated that they have to pass it "Even if it cost them their seats". If the law was so good then why would it cost any congress members their seats? They knew it was bad from the start. As soon as it passed O'Reilly was complaining about his premiums going up. There are hidden taxes and rules that have nothing to do with healthcare.
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This "kinda" belongs in the humor section because the joke is on us.
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