Garmin Base Camp software - BMW Luxury Touring Community
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 31 Old Mar 12th, 2014, 8:02 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
vrickle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wake Forest, NC, United States
Posts: 234
Garmin Base Camp software

Has anyone figured out how to use Garmin Base Camp for there Garmin IV or perhaps V? My first impressions of it are not so good.
vrickle is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 31 Old Mar 12th, 2014, 9:03 pm
Senior Member
 
gphusky1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Oceanside, CA, USA
Posts: 323
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

I've never been able to make sense of it.

At the last International Motorcycle Show in Long Beach there was a booth set up right next to Butler Maps that was announcing a new website that would make it easy to plan and route trips. Nothing seems to be out yet, but you can signup for their newsletter at...

www.ridingsocial.com

40+ Vintage 125cc Motocross bikes (1973-1974) - my collection
1974 Husky 250 Mag, 1975 Husky 250 GP, 1976 Husky 360 GP
1977 Husky 250 and 390 GP, 1982.5 Husky 500 Silver Streak
1974 Yamaha Ty250 Trials bike, 1971 Honda CB 175
1971 Yamaha 100 Enduro, 1970 Minibike with a "Clinton Engine" (my first bike)

.... a 2011 BMW R1200RT in Thunder Grey Metallic and a 2014 F800GS-Adventure in red.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
gphusky1 is offline  
post #3 of 31 Old Mar 12th, 2014, 9:05 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Posts: 107
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Ok its not as user friendly as GoogleMaps but give it a little time and you'll get used to it. There are lots of resources and tutorials out there. Google Zumo forums, join, and ask folks for help. Nothing specific to BMW or Navs. These are branded Zumo units.

Larry
2012 RT Midnight Blue
AustinRT is offline  
 
post #4 of 31 Old Mar 12th, 2014, 9:14 pm
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA
Posts: 67
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Good parts... It's free, and maps on your computer and the device can be exact match.
Bad part.... clunky, not intuitive.

You can buy microsoft streets and trips and export a gpx file. Import that into the GPS. I find streets and trips much easier to use and it automatically loads current construction information. You can uy it for about $30.
alanrd is offline  
post #5 of 31 Old Mar 12th, 2014, 9:39 pm
Senior Member
 
Dann323's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Laval, QC, Canada
Posts: 1,324
Garage
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

I use basecamp with my Zumo 350
I agree it's not the most user friendly piece of software but when you get used to it , you can plan any routes and transfer them easily to your nav unit.

You can also transfer tracks from your nav unit (mine keeps a record of where I've been) and save them on your computer or export them to Gill's map maker
http://geo.gillcouto.com/upload.cgi and convert them to google maps where you can view your ride on a nice map.

You can also export a gpx file of your planned route, upload it to Gill's map maker and see precisely what kind of road you'll travel on. Including street view

For some reason I find that the maps produced with Gill's map maker are nicer and more detailed than if I look at the same area directly from google maps...

Daniel


If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007
Dann323 is offline  
post #6 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 1:47 am
Senior Member
 
rangerb3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 548
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dann323 View Post
I use basecamp with my Zumo 350
I agree it's not the most user friendly piece of software but when you get used to it , you can plan any routes and transfer them easily to your nav unit.

You can also transfer tracks from your nav unit (mine keeps a record of where I've been) and save them on your computer or export them to Gill's map maker
http://geo.gillcouto.com/upload.cgi and convert them to google maps where you can view your ride on a nice map.

You can also export a gpx file of your planned route, upload it to Gill's map maker and see precisely what kind of road you'll travel on. Including street view

For some reason I find that the maps produced with Gill's map maker are nicer and more detailed than if I look at the same area directly from google maps...
I agree...When I first started using Base Camp I didn't like it but, over time, and like anything else, it gets easier to use and understand the features and layout.

Gill's Map Maker looks like an interesting program for those that like to explore and plan routes! I've not tried it since I'm away from my Garmin Nuvi but, it would be nice to see the routes on actual road maps...I sent it to some of my m/c buddies and hopefully, I can get some feedback from them on what they think.....Thanks for the link!

Best Regards,
Rangerb3
2014 R1200RT Quarts Met Blue
Biloxi, Mississippi

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by rangerb3; Mar 13th, 2014 at 1:54 am.
rangerb3 is offline  
post #7 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 5:41 am
Member
 
jc_puckett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Jackson, MO, USA
Posts: 51
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by vrickle View Post
Has anyone figured out how to use Garmin Base Camp for there Garmin IV or perhaps V? My first impressions of it are not so good.
BaseCamp Tutorial by Don Norwood, BMW R1200GS rider. Dan Leffert and I worked with Don on researching some of the background "learnings" that are taught in the YouTube videos.

BaseCamp Tutorials

Dan Leffert and I taught a 1 hour class at the Motorcycle Tourer's Forum - Ohio Amish Country Flower Sniffin' & Founder's Feast in Berlin, Ohio last September.

The interest was so great that MTF members kept the class going for 4 hours.

As a competitive long distance motorcycle rallyist and rallymaster, I use BaseCamp, Google, Google Maps, Streets & Trips, and other geo location finder websites to find and research whatever I am looking for, get the Latitude and Longitude of said Point of Interest (POI), and ultimately make it a waypoint in BaseCamp.

Jim Puckett
Midland MI
jc_puckett is offline  
post #8 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 7:51 am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northampton, , UK
Posts: 176
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

I have had much more success with MapQuest

It is very similar to Google maps, with the same option to create and tweak routes.
The difference is, there is a send to GPS button!
Works flawlessly for me.

Doug
2004 R1150 RT
Miggs is offline  
post #9 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 8:23 am
Senior Member
 
Dann323's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Laval, QC, Canada
Posts: 1,324
Garage
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miggs View Post
I have had much more success with MapQuest

It is very similar to Google maps, with the same option to create and tweak routes.
The difference is, there is a send to GPS button!
Works flawlessly for me.
With base camp you just drag and drop the route to your GPS or to the cloud storage if you need to transfer it to another computer.

Daniel


If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007
Dann323 is offline  
post #10 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 9:36 am Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
vrickle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wake Forest, NC, United States
Posts: 234
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Do you have to have the GPS hooked up? When I try to use the map without the GPS hooked up the maps don't show small streets. Only major roads. I just tried Map quest and it does seem easier
vrickle is offline  
post #11 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 10:04 am
Lifetime Supporter
 
12R12RT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA, USA
Posts: 416
Garage
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miggs View Post
I have had much more success with MapQuest

It is very similar to Google maps, with the same option to create and tweak routes.
The difference is, there is a send to GPS button!
Works flawlessly for me.
I think you're over-selling MapQuest. As far as I can tell you can only send the start and endpoint from MapQuest to a device; MapQuest export does not support multi-point ('tweaked') routes.

Further, the actual routing that will occur within the device depends on the compatibility between the MapQuest base map and the devices installed map. What you see in MapQuest may not be what you see on the device.

It would seem to me that the functionality offered by MapQuest is more readily accomplished by simply inputting the start and end points directly into the device. The device then can do more than MapQuest with the 'Insert Via" function.

Tom

12R12RT
08KLR685 - RIP
09KLR650
12R12RT is offline  
post #12 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 10:07 am
Senior Member
 
oldspice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Iowa City, IA, USA
Posts: 1,453
Garage
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

I was not a fan of Base Camp much either (I missed the old Garmin software, what was it called?) At any rate, I got used to Base Camp and I like it quite a bit now.

I too was limited to crappy maps when the Nav IV wasn't connected, but recently, I found a setting where I could install the 2014 map on both the Nav IV and in Base Camp, so that problem went away. I'll have to see how I did that, but I know it's doable. It's under "Maps" drop down somewhere (how's that for helpful?).

My biggest complaint aside from the crappy maps was, when creating a route, I couldn't figure out out to continue it if I clicked out of it somehow. I then discovered the wonders of "Insert". To continue a route, simple click the Insert button, or press I on your keyboard and hover your mouse over the last point of the route until it turns into a big, black circle. Then click and the route will pick up from the point.

"Move" is also a nice tool if you want to alter the route. Click the Move icon or press M on the keyboard, hover over a point, click and drag it to where you want it and Base Camp will recalculate.

It just takes some getting used to. I hated it when I first started using it.

.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue..."

2015 BMW R1200RT - "Artoo"
2012 BMW R1200RT - "Arthur", RIP
1985 Ford Escort L (for Luxury) - Ol' Blue - gone, but not forgotten
MSF RiderCoach
BMW MOA 175432
oldspice is offline  
post #13 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 11:01 am
Senior Member
 
brock29609's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Greenville, SC, USA
Posts: 446
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by oldspice View Post
I got used to Base Camp and I like it quite a bit now.
+1. I was very used to MapQuest and used to curse the day Garmin stopped supporting/updating it. I forced myself to get comfortable with Basecamp and now I love it. It's different, but superior. Plug away at it. Once you figure out its philosophy you'll be hooked.

2010 BMW R1200R
2013 Triumph Bonneville T100
2007 BMW R1200RT (sold)
Greenville, SC USA
brock29609 is offline  
post #14 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 11:21 am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX, USA
Posts: 616
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by 12R12RT View Post
I think you're over-selling MapQuest. As far as I can tell you can only send the start and endpoint from MapQuest to a device; MapQuest export does not support multi-point ('tweaked') routes.

Further, the actual routing that will occur within the device depends on the compatibility between the MapQuest base map and the devices installed map. What you see in MapQuest may not be what you see on the device.

It would seem to me that the functionality offered by MapQuest is more readily accomplished by simply inputting the start and end points directly into the device. The device then can do more than MapQuest with the 'Insert Via" function.

Tom
+1

Here's some details
JimE is offline  
post #15 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 11:22 am
Senior Member
 
hallzee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Gold Country, CA, USA
Posts: 2,571
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by jc_puckett View Post
BaseCamp Tutorial by Don Norwood, BMW R1200GS rider. Dan Leffert and I worked with Don on researching some of the background "learnings" that are taught in the YouTube videos.

BaseCamp Tutorials
Jim, you've earned the coveted "Hallzee's Best Post of the Day" Award!

Anyone that wants to learn Basecamp, just follow the link above to the tutorials.

Brian
CCR: 2008, Midway; 2011, Boise; 2012, Duluth; 2014, Chattanooga. MOA: Billings, 2015; SLC, 2017
CCR-R: 2018, Russellville
'13 K1600 GTL-P - "Eva"
Sold but "beloved" ride: K12 LT - "Pepe"
IBA #31242 (SSx2, BB, BBG)
MOA #136148

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
-
hallzee is offline  
post #16 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 11:22 am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX, USA
Posts: 616
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by brock29609 View Post
+1. I was very used to MapQuest and used to curse the day Garmin stopped supporting/updating it.
I think you mean MapSource.

Don't mean to nitpick, but since a previous post mentioned MapQuest, I thought somebody might get confused.
JimE is offline  
post #17 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 11:33 am
Lifetime Supporter
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: La Quinta, CA, USA
Posts: 562
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

As other have stated - BC takes a while to get the hang of it but once you do you'll love it. I finally got to where I could make use BC then switched from a PC to a Mac and had to relearn a few things. The tutorials mentioned plus others will have you up and running with BC in no time.

Doug Sorchilla
La Quinta, CA
2012 K1600 GTL

Growing Old is Mandatory Growing Up is Optional
sorchilla is offline  
post #18 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 11:39 am
Senior Member
 
blueknightga6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Acworth, GA, USA
Posts: 1,176
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by vrickle View Post
Do you have to have the GPS hooked up? When I try to use the map without the GPS hooked up the maps don't show small streets. Only major roads. I just tried Map quest and it does seem easier
If you don't have the maps install on the computer then yes you will need to have the GPS hooked up to the computer. You can make your selection from which maps to use under the "maps" section of the menu bar (it used to be a pull down menu choice).

It appears that Garmin Express now really does let you install updated maps to the computer also. I updated my maps on my Zumo last week and was using a new computer purchased since my last update and had to install Garmin Express again. This time GE actually installed to the computer like I requested.

Chris Ehlbeck
2002 BMW K1200LTE Toscana Green Retired with 85,391 miles
2014 BMW R1200RT Quartz Blue Metallic

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
blueknightga6 is offline  
post #19 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 4:57 pm
Senior Member
 
Dann323's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Laval, QC, Canada
Posts: 1,324
Garage
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

There is an option in Garmin Express to install maps on your computer.
You can install the map either on your device, your computer or both.
Your device must be connected to verify if you have the rights to download the maps.
Once the map is installed on your computer BC will use it and you won't need to have your device connected to work unless you want to transfer routes to it. Otherwise you're stuck with the generic map which is useless.

If you cannot see all the streets, you have to go into: Activity profile/ General/map display features/select and make sure that "lines" is selected.
Also make sure that the detail map level is set high enough.

Daniel


If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007

Last edited by Dann323; Mar 13th, 2014 at 5:09 pm.
Dann323 is offline  
post #20 of 31 Old Mar 13th, 2014, 5:52 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
vrickle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wake Forest, NC, United States
Posts: 234
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Thanks for all the advice I was able hook up my gps and install the detailed maps on my computer. Watched a couple of the tutorials and it's all starting to make sense now. It is actually pretty cool with the things you can do. There's a lot more stuff that I don't know yet but it's getting easier.
vrickle is offline  
post #21 of 31 Old Mar 14th, 2014, 5:19 pm
Senior Member
 
BamaLT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Guin AL /Chattanooga TN, AL/TN, USA
Posts: 2,061
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by vrickle View Post
Thanks for all the advice I was able hook up my gps and install the detailed maps on my computer. Watched a couple of the tutorials and it's all starting to make sense now. It is actually pretty cool with the things you can do. There's a lot more stuff that I don't know yet but it's getting easier.
Here is the dedicated forum that has the original videos, plus additional information and videos as you move forward in the learning curve.

Hope this helps!

http://forums.delphiforums.com/garminbasecamp

Don G Norwood
11 R1200GSA w/DMC sidecar Radio Flyer IV
2015 G650GS, 1998 1200 C


"Oh Lord I pray, Just let me live long enough to do everything they say I have done"
BamaLT is offline  
post #22 of 31 Old Mar 17th, 2014, 2:53 am Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
vrickle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Wake Forest, NC, United States
Posts: 234
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by BamaLT View Post
Here is the dedicated forum that has the original videos, plus additional information and videos as you move forward in the learning curve.

Hope this helps!

http://forums.delphiforums.com/garminbasecamp
Great
Thanks Don!
vrickle is offline  
post #23 of 31 Old Mar 20th, 2014, 1:18 pm
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Poquoson, Va, USA
Posts: 79
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

I just spent allmost a whole day playing with this software to try to get the hang of it! It got much better with use. The biggest thing I found is to change the default for motorcycle to shortest distance, eliminate time and season closings especially if planning over the winter in mountin areas like Colo! Clear the no highway box becase you may need a short jaunt on one and if this is selected you cant even force it to go. make well thought out lists of waypoints. I started with states and then east west or north south. Use route tool with minimum waypoints to start new route. Then switch to select tool select route and use add waypoint button. Realize the new waypoint will be added to the bottom of the list. Move it up the list using arrow keys to its correct location before recalculating. Use show waypoint button to gettin the right spot on the route to search for next nearest point to either make or select a waypoint. I also found that selecting waypoints a little way past the intersection on the new road you want to go on will letthesoftware select the correct path of small turns within the intersection to get you there! Just a few observations of mine based on being a new user who struggled getting started! Al's highl recommend watching all the videos! The one on exporting route to google earth and doing a drive thru of a route was really helpful and very cool to watch a route you created this way!

Dave T
I did not live to work....I only worked to live! Retired and living life our way!

K1200LT (Calamity)
06 Concours
03 Wing
99 Kaw Voyager
Suz GS850 (10 years! Too good to go)
Suz GS750
Honda 750F & CL,XL 350
Amazed is offline  
post #24 of 31 Old Mar 20th, 2014, 2:03 pm
Lifetime Supporter
 
12R12RT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA, USA
Posts: 416
Garage
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Dave -

As you progress with mastering BaseCamp you may find route building easier if you establish the start point and end point and then use the rubber band tool to shape the route.

This creates via points rather than way points. Via points are not announced, which can be an advantage. Sometimes, in order to force a route onto the back roads (and to insure that the route will not be changed when loaded into the GPS unit) it's necessary to establish a boatload of way points. You can drive yourself mad listening to the 'approaching way point" announcements! Using via points avoids that and you don't wind up with a huge data base of way points that are only useful as route shapers. Via points are route-specific and are not saved to your database.

Of course, it's always good to set gas stations, rest stops, restaurants, etc as way points as that builds your way point data base.

When using the rubber band tool you need to inspect the route, as sometimes you can plop a via point on the wrong side of the road and you'll get instructed to do a u-turn to go back to it, so zooming in and inspecting via points is a good practice.

Tom

12R12RT
08KLR685 - RIP
09KLR650
12R12RT is offline  
post #25 of 31 Old Mar 20th, 2014, 3:26 pm
Member
 
Roadking1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 88
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

I have created some routes in Basecamp using a bunch of waypoints then when I transfer it to the Nav 5 it doesn't use all of them and changes the route on me. Any ideas on where I am going wrong?
Thanks,
Eric
Roadking1 is offline  
post #26 of 31 Old Mar 20th, 2014, 3:59 pm
Lifetime Supporter
 
12R12RT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA, USA
Posts: 416
Garage
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Eric -

I'm by no means an expert, but my experience with BaseCamp, my Zumo 660, and sharing routes with a friend's 660, is that several things can contribute to the unit's recalculation of the route so that it doesn't match what you planned.

Bear in mind that some of these things can interplay with one another.

If the mapset on the computer and the mapset on the unit are not the same, this can cause routing issues. Don't ask me why; I don't understand mapsets. Roads that have been where they are for 100 years should route the same in the latest and greatest mapset as they do in a five-year-old mapset. But sometimes they don't.

Avoidances set in BaseCamp not being the same as avoidances in the unit. This seems to be a sure and certain way to mess things up! If you set BaseCamp profile up to avoid major roads but don't do it in the unit, the unit may re-calculate to take the major roads.

"Shortest route" vs "Fastest time" setting. This one can be a bit confusing, as ofttimes the route we want to take is neither shortest nor fastest.

The easiest way to combat all of this is to set up the route in BaseCamp with enough via points (using the rubber band tool) that the unit has no choice but to follow your intended route. I call this the "Big Hammer" technique and we all know that you can fix anything if you have a big enough hammer. Or at least beat it into submission. Lacking in finesse, I choose to carry a big hammer.

Now, you say that the unit recalculates the route and ignores some of the way points you've put in. I've never heard of that (it would seem to violate the basic routing algorithms in the unit) and so can't offer any help. Things that would seem to violate the way the damn thing is supposed to work have happened to me in the past and, when I've been able to figure out what happened, it boiled down to operator error or I really hadn't done what I'd thought I'd done.

Play with the rubber band tool and via points, then load the route to your unit and see what happens. You'll get a feel for when you've put enough via points/way points in. The thing you have to remember is that, no matter what else you've done, the unit wants to find either the fastest route or the shortest route. There's really no setting for "Do what the heck I told you to do". Overkill on via points won't hurt anything.

Also, there are a few ways to get your route loaded onto the unit from BaseCamp and, apparently, the unit's behavior is somewhat dependant on how you do that.

First is the Export function, second is the "Drag and Drop" method. I've had more success with "Drag and Drop" than export - With your unit connected to the computer you should be able to see it in BaseCamp. Take your route that you've built and drag it down and dump it on the "Nav V" and let it copy to the unit.

Third would be to export a .gpx file to a card, insert the card in the unit and import it, while fourth would be to export a .gpx file to some location on your hard drive and use File Manager to move it to the unit. These methods are usually reserved for (by me) for sharing routes either in the field or by e-mail.

I don't really understand the inner workings of the route transfer, but I think it's JimE who does. Hopefully he'll be along to provide a clear description of how to transfer the files with less likelihood of recalculation. I'm more of a guy who kinda sorta knows how to use the fool things, but doesn't really know how they work. I know that magic is involved.

Tom

12R12RT
08KLR685 - RIP
09KLR650
12R12RT is offline  
post #27 of 31 Old Mar 20th, 2014, 10:26 pm
Senior Member
 
mwnahas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Bedford Hts, OH, USA
Posts: 4,215
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadking1 View Post
I have created some routes in Basecamp using a bunch of waypoints then when I transfer it to the Nav 5 it doesn't use all of them and changes the route on me. Any ideas on where I am going wrong?
Thanks,
Eric
Interesting that it would skip waypoints. I usually use gas stations or shops as waypoints to force the routes to go where I want. I have yet to see the route skip them.

So you transfered the routes and waypoints to the Nav 5 and imported them.

Then you use the Trip Planner?*

"Trip Planner:
This is the App that manages your routes or Trips. I don't know why Garmin's On The Road group found it necessary to change long standing nomenclature but a route and a trip are the same thing and even the Owners Manual mixes the terms. I imported 200 Trips created in BaseCamp and the NAV5 indicated that all were imported. Looking at the Trip Planner list of Trips only shows the first 100 (sorted alphabetically). If you delete that first 100, the Trip Planner will then show you the second 100. So, if you have a need to load that many Trips, make sure you name them appropriately and split up your routes putting 100 on Internal Storage and 100 on the SD Card. Now the Trip Planner Importing menu will show you all 200 Trips but you can still only import 100 at a time. You can create new Trips here and edit saved ones. If you transfer a route to the device from BaseCamp that has more than 30 Via Points/Stops in it the NAV5 software will separate the trip into the necessary number of trips. Another feature of the NAV5 is that it supports Mixed-Travel Routes from BaseCamp which means it also does not recalculate Routes Transferred to the unit. This is quite beneficial for those times when the road you want to travel is not shown on your map. If you read your NAV5 Owners Manual it stated that you could have up to 29 Via Points (Stops) plus the final Destination and each of the segments defined by those Via Points can have up to 50 Shaping Points (points not Flagged or Announced in the route). I guess some one at BMW must have upped the requirements because the actual number of Shaping Points between Via's is now 125. So, if you do the math; 30 x 125 = 3750 shaping points you can use to define or shape your route path in BaseCamp. If you can't get a route to go where you want with that many points, something is seriously wrong with your map or you might try using more than one route. The Shaping points do have a small light-blue Dot on the map but those are a lot less obtrusive than the Orange Flags that represent your Via Points. I've found it very easy to lay out most routes using just a few Via points (waypoints) since the NAV5 does not recalculate imported Routes."

* http://globeriders.com/article_pages...e07_nav5.shtml

Just Go
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Mike
Cleveland Ohio
2014 K1600 GTL Grey Wolf.
mwnahas is offline  
post #28 of 31 Old Mar 21st, 2014, 6:40 am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX, USA
Posts: 616
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by 12R12RT View Post
Eric -

I'm by no means an expert, but my experience with BaseCamp, my Zumo 660, and sharing routes with a friend's 660, is that several things can contribute to the unit's recalculation of the route so that it doesn't match what you planned.

Bear in mind that some of these things can interplay with one another.

If the mapset on the computer and the mapset on the unit are not the same, this can cause routing issues. Don't ask me why; I don't understand mapsets. Roads that have been where they are for 100 years should route the same in the latest and greatest mapset as they do in a five-year-old mapset. But sometimes they don't.

Avoidances set in BaseCamp not being the same as avoidances in the unit. This seems to be a sure and certain way to mess things up! If you set BaseCamp profile up to avoid major roads but don't do it in the unit, the unit may re-calculate to take the major roads.

"Shortest route" vs "Fastest time" setting. This one can be a bit confusing, as ofttimes the route we want to take is neither shortest nor fastest.

The easiest way to combat all of this is to set up the route in BaseCamp with enough via points (using the rubber band tool) that the unit has no choice but to follow your intended route. I call this the "Big Hammer" technique and we all know that you can fix anything if you have a big enough hammer. Or at least beat it into submission. Lacking in finesse, I choose to carry a big hammer.

Now, you say that the unit recalculates the route and ignores some of the way points you've put in. I've never heard of that (it would seem to violate the basic routing algorithms in the unit) and so can't offer any help. Things that would seem to violate the way the damn thing is supposed to work have happened to me in the past and, when I've been able to figure out what happened, it boiled down to operator error or I really hadn't done what I'd thought I'd done.

Play with the rubber band tool and via points, then load the route to your unit and see what happens. You'll get a feel for when you've put enough via points/way points in. The thing you have to remember is that, no matter what else you've done, the unit wants to find either the fastest route or the shortest route. There's really no setting for "Do what the heck I told you to do". Overkill on via points won't hurt anything.

Also, there are a few ways to get your route loaded onto the unit from BaseCamp and, apparently, the unit's behavior is somewhat dependant on how you do that.

First is the Export function, second is the "Drag and Drop" method. I've had more success with "Drag and Drop" than export - With your unit connected to the computer you should be able to see it in BaseCamp. Take your route that you've built and drag it down and dump it on the "Nav V" and let it copy to the unit.

Third would be to export a .gpx file to a card, insert the card in the unit and import it, while fourth would be to export a .gpx file to some location on your hard drive and use File Manager to move it to the unit. These methods are usually reserved for (by me) for sharing routes either in the field or by e-mail.

I don't really understand the inner workings of the route transfer, but I think it's JimE who does. Hopefully he'll be along to provide a clear description of how to transfer the files with less likelihood of recalculation. I'm more of a guy who kinda sorta knows how to use the fool things, but doesn't really know how they work. I know that magic is involved.

Tom
Eric, Tom's advice is spot-on.

A couple of things:

Unlike the 660 vintage units, the Nav V wants to "import" all new routes into its Trip Planner. I haven't done any tests to see if it truly recalculates when doing this or not. I believe it does, though.

In any event, I strongly advise that the correct approach is to do your routes in such a way as to ensure that they will withstand recalculation, rather than trying to avoid recalculations.

There are at least three reasons for this:
1. I rarely ride a route without something changing during the route. Missing a turn, deciding to deviate from a planned route to go to a barbecue place for lunch, deciding to drive through the scenic overlook, stopping at a Walmart to grab some chapstick...you know what I mean. When I do those things, I want to be able to let the unit go ahead and recalculate me back to my planned path, or perhaps I need to search for one of those places and let the Nav add that to my route. I don't want to have to set the Nav to "no recalc" and essentially do without its help while getting to/from those diversions.

2. That's a good QC step to make sure that you haven't missed with any of your vias or shaping points. It's very easy in BC to get a point just off the road, and that can introduce some bizarre routing. Once the route has been moved to the Nav, I like to step through all of the turns and look for anything strange. You can (and should) do that while still in BC as well. Katnapinn and I were looking at a route just the other day, where we had dropped a via on the service road on the wrong side of the interstate. The routing had us exit, make a U turn, go to the next exit, make another U turn, then re-enter the freeway...obviously not what we had intended.

3. If you want to share the route with anyone else, you need to make sure the route will work the same way on their unit. Getting the file to them and onto their unit will almost certainly involve a recalculation, and they will likely have a different map set than you do.

So as others have advised, the key is to set your preferences and avoidances consistently between BC and the Nav, and to use enough vias to ensure that the route does not change upon recalculation. Unlike the 660-vintage Zumos/Navs, the Nav V nicely honors shaping points (vias set to "don't announce in BC), and it also has larger capacities, allowing you to have more vias/shaping points per route; so use them liberally.

I have found that when testing this stuff and doing many iterations of moving routes to the unit, that it's very easy to get confused and not be able to distinguish your latest trial route from a previous one...it will do things like put a " 1" on the newer ones and that can be off the edge of the screen on longer names. So my advice is to make sure you delete everything off the Nav and just move the routes/waypoints of interest at that time. Keeping your data well organized in BC lists is also important to keep from getting confused.

If you have a specific route that's giving your trouble, export it to a gpx and post it here, or shoot me a PM and I can take a look at it and we can figure out what's going on.
JimE is offline  
post #29 of 31 Old Mar 23rd, 2014, 10:06 am
Member
 
Roadking1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 88
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Thanks for all the guidance, I hope to take some time tonight and sort it out. I am still trying to get the 2014 maps into Basecamp on my computer then get all the preferences and avoidances matched up. Right now I rely on the maps in the Garmin when it is hooked up to the PC. I had MapSource down, now have to get this going soon so I can plan my routes!
Eric
Roadking1 is offline  
post #30 of 31 Old Mar 23rd, 2014, 8:58 pm
Senior Member
 
Dann323's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Laval, QC, Canada
Posts: 1,324
Garage
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadking1 View Post
Thanks for all the guidance, I hope to take some time tonight and sort it out. I am still trying to get the 2014 maps into Basecamp on my computer then get all the preferences and avoidances matched up. Right now I rely on the maps in the Garmin when it is hooked up to the PC. I had MapSource down, now have to get this going soon so I can plan my routes!
Eric
To install the maps on your Computer you need to use GarminExpress.
Once your GPS is connected you will have the option when installing maps to install them either on the GPS, on the Computer or both.
Once the maps are installed on your Computer you will no longer need your GPS to be connected in order to plan routes.

What I would really like to know now is if there is way for Basecamp to take into account the different time zones when calculating ETA.

Daniel


If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007
Dann323 is offline  
post #31 of 31 Old Mar 24th, 2014, 7:27 am
Member
 
Roadking1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 88
Re: Garmin Base Camp software

I am now functional with Basecamp, and very happy about that. Thanks for all the advise. Not sure what did it, but I uninstalled Basecamp, deleted old maps, matched preferences, use more route points with the rubber band, and finally figured out the imported routes are stored under apps on the Nav 5, duhhh, not saved places. I have plenty more to learn on tricks and features, but just having it work is great.

Still can't load the maps on the PC. Using Garmin Express, Nav 5 connected, try to load map to computer only and get "installation error, call Garmin". Oh well, at least it works. I will pursue this more soon with Garmin.

Eric
Roadking1 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the BMW Luxury Touring Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Garmin Software Problem Lynn_Keen Chit Chat 16 Oct 6th, 2012 1:22 am
base camp Zeke GPS 3 Aug 12th, 2012 2:39 pm
GARMIN MAP SOURCE software problem Lynn_Keen GPS 14 Jan 30th, 2010 9:40 am
Response from Garmin to an error message! DanDiver GPS 8 Mar 8th, 2008 2:52 pm
Garmin 2610 software upgrade ???? Tomakazie GPS 5 Apr 29th, 2007 6:51 am

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome