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Thanks! Presumably you are talking about the firmware? I had updated to the 2016 map a few weeks ago.

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OK....it's just a map update!

EDIT: I take that back. There is a firmware update as well! Garmin Express didn't show that until after I had done the map update!

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Re: Nav V Update

Any indication as to what the firmware update fixes/adds?
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Any indication as to what the firmware update fixes/adds?
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Now if they'd only add support for My Motorcycle on the R1200RT I'd be happy....Grrrr

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Now if they'd only add support for My Motorcycle on the R1200RT I'd be happy....Grrrr
I am sure that is a BMW issue. Nav V can't show you data that it didn't get. Put your Nav V on a GS and you will see the multitude of data presented.....ergo, BMW needs to implement what we all would like to see!

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I am sure that is a BMW issue. Nav V can't show you data that it didn't get. Put your Nav V on a GS and you will see the multitude of data presented.....ergo, BMW needs to implement what we all would like to see!
I disagree that the info is not available. I used to be able to get data on my Nav V from the bike K1600 including fuel alerts. Now nothing.

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I disagree that the info is not available. I used to be able to get data on my Nav V from the bike K1600 including fuel alerts. Now nothing.
Perhaps you didn't understand what I was trying to say!

The data is sent to Nav V from your bike! Nav V can't show you what it doesn't have. You can take your Nav V and put it on your K1600 and you will get the display that you were used to. Take that same Nav V to a GS and you will get the display that I would like to see. That same Nav V on the wethead RT gives very limited data because that is all that the RT's onboard computer sent it! Ergo, the problem is NOT with the Nav V, but with the bike!

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The problem might be the NAV V's software from Garmin. The software may be programmed differently so it knows which model bike it's attached too and therefore will only allow what the software wants you to see even if certain parameters are sending inputs to the GPS unit. In a nutshell the GPS may be blocking info from the bike via its software.

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The problem might be the NAV V's software from Garmin. The software may be programmed differently so it knows which model bike it's attached too and therefore will only allow what the software wants you to see even if certain parameters are sending inputs to the GPS unit. In a nutshell the GPS may be blocking info from the bike via its software.
....and the purpose is.....??

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Perhaps you didn't understand what I was trying to say!

The data is sent to Nav V from your bike! Nav V can't show you what it doesn't have. You can take your Nav V and put it on your K1600 and you will get the display that you were used to. Take that same Nav V to a GS and you will get the display that I would like to see. That same Nav V on the wethead RT gives very limited data because that is all that the RT's onboard computer sent it! Ergo, the problem is NOT with the Nav V, but with the bike!
No, I don't understand. I used to be able to get other screens and menus when I first bought my Garmin/BMW Nav V. The my bike apps, and fuel warnings, heck if it got down to reserve the gas station app launched. As far as I know my bike didn't change but Garmin has had many firmware updates. I suspect when the updates induced bugs they disabled the feature instead of fixing it. Their reasoning is you can get data from you bike readout why do we need to fix the Garmin? Garmin points finger at BMW, BMW points finger at Garmin.

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No, I don't understand. I used to be able to get other screens and menus when I first bought my Garmin/BMW Nav V. The my bike apps, and fuel warnings, heck if it got down to reserve the gas station app launched. As far as I know my bike didn't change but Garmin has had many firmware updates. I suspect when the updates induced bugs they disabled the feature instead of fixing it. Their reasoning is you can get data from you bike readout why do we need to fix the Garmin? Garmin points finger at BMW, BMW points finger at Garmin.
Not ever owning a BMW gps, is it possible that all updates have to come from BMW? I say that because how or who loads the BMW dealers on each BMW gps?

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No, I don't understand. I used to be able to get other screens and menus when I first bought my Garmin/BMW Nav V. The my bike apps, and fuel warnings, heck if it got down to reserve the gas station app launched. As far as I know my bike didn't change but Garmin has had many firmware updates. I suspect when the updates induced bugs they disabled the feature instead of fixing it. Their reasoning is you can get data from you bike readout why do we need to fix the Garmin? Garmin points finger at BMW, BMW points finger at Garmin.
I sure understand the frustrations! I am basing my conclusion based strictly on logic without any favoritism toward either companies.

Now, you said that BMW points finger at Garmin, but I have not seen that. Did BMW blame Garmin? (I discount the dealers as being "BMW"!)

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Not ever owning a BMW gps, is it possible that all updates have to come from BMW? I say that because how or who loads the BMW dealers on each BMW gps?
No, the updates are from Garmin. The dealership database in the GPS is just a file that even I could delete, if I wanted to!

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No, the updates are from Garmin. The dealership database in the GPS is just a file that even I could delete, if I wanted to!
Thanks. I just thought that since the gps is BMW branded, that all updates, including firmware should come from BMW to maintain the gps's functions. I understand that by the time BMW gets the updates from Garmin and get it configured for the BMW gps, it will probably already be superseded by another update from Garmin.

Thinking out of the box, is it possible that the firmware updates are part of BMW's shops computer, that when you ask for updates, it may push out the latest gps firmware update? If that is the case, then I can see why everyone would go the Garmin route with the possibility of overwriting BMW's firmware and settings.

Maybe if mwnahas just updated his maps and not the firmware his bike apps would still work.

There should be a place on BMW's web site to download the latest firmware and maps for the gps. Again, it may be BMW's intentions to have people schedule regular maintenance with their dealer in order to get all the latest updates to their bike and possibly their gps.

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Thanks. I just thought that since the gps is BMW branded, that all updates, including firmware should come from BMW to maintain the gps's functions. I understand that by the time BMW gets the updates from Garmin and get it configured for the BMW gps, it will probably already be superseded by another update from Garmin.

Thinking out of the box, is it possible that the firmware updates are part of BMW's shops computer, that when you ask for updates, it may push out the latest gps firmware update? If that is the case, then I can see why everyone would go the Garmin route with the possibility of overwriting BMW's firmware and settings.

Maybe if mwnahas just updated his maps and not the firmware his bike apps would still work.

There should be a place on BMW's web site to download the latest firmware and maps for the gps. Again, it may be BMW's intentions to have people schedule regular maintenance with their dealer in order to get all the latest updates to their bike and possibly their gps.
In this case, Garmin took full ownership of the device. All updates are via Garmin software, whether it's new updated maps or firmware updates. Any issues with the device is resolved by Garmin, and BMW stayed completely out of the loop. Recently, a member of this forum went to Garmin complaining that his Nav V was causing electrical interference noise, and apparently Garmin sent him a brand new unit as replacement! There is a thread on that, if you want to read about it.

See post #26 http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-serie...tor-noise.html

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No, I don't understand. I used to be able to get other screens and menus when I first bought my Garmin/BMW Nav V. The my bike apps, and fuel warnings, heck if it got down to reserve the gas station app launched. As far as I know my bike didn't change but Garmin has had many firmware updates. I suspect when the updates induced bugs they disabled the feature instead of fixing it. Their reasoning is you can get data from you bike readout why do we need to fix the Garmin? Garmin points finger at BMW, BMW points finger at Garmin.
I've installed every update and have never experienced anything like you describe.

My suggestion would be to install the updates or just plug it into the PC to get it into USB storage mode. This will force a reboot the GPS and give you a fresh start. Also, check the pins on the mount and the back of the GPS to make sure that the LIN bus can talk to the GPS.

Whey I switch bikes (RT/GT vs. non-LIN Bus bike), it can take two tries for the GPS to detect the change in the presence of the LIN bus feed and change personalities from bike provided distance to empty vs. calculated distance to empty.
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I just received my Nav V from Garmin. I have done the update and Map update and should be able to see if it has solved my noise issue soon.

Again Garmin stepped up with no issues while the Service Department at the dealer was still telling me he would have to check what to do. Garmin knew what to do and did.

If I can hobble out to the garage I will see if the noise has gone away and post my findings.

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I just received my Nav V from Garmin. I have done the update and Map update and should be able to see if it has solved my noise issue soon.

Again Garmin stepped up with no issues while the Service Department at the dealer was still telling me he would have to check what to do. Garmin knew what to do and did.

If I can hobble out to the garage I will see if the noise has gone away and post my findings.
Did this solve the noise issue for you?

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Hope you don't mind me jumping in.
For me, the v3.20 update worked for a high'ish frequency hissing noise on the radio channel. Before the update, I just couldn't listen to the radio, it sounded so bad. Now, FM is OK.

However, it didn't solve the higher pitched whine that is probably interference from the alternator. This was solved, as others have noted, by disconnecting wired audio out from the Navigator V unit. If you're not happy fiddling with wires, just put electrical tape over the 4th and 5th connector pairs on the rear of the Nav unit.

Worked for me.
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