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Can anyone tell me what the differences are between the 3 different models please (and do they all use the same mounts).

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BMW Navigator I - Garmin Street Pilot III
BMW Navigator II - Garmin SP2620
BMW Navigator III - Garmin SP2820

The II and III will use the same cradle.

All 3 have an AMPS standard 4 bolt pattern on the cradle that goes to the BMW mount.


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That certainly helps, thanks for that info. My bike has the mount shown below but I don't actually know which version of Navigator it's intended for, perhaps it doesn't matter ?


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BMW Navigator I - Garmin Street Pilot III
I've never owned or used one, but from what I've seen when others use them, this model is really out-dated. The processing is much to slow for a touring rider. The screen is black&white, which may or may not be a big deal to some.


BMW Navigator II - Garmin SP2620
I have the Garmin 2610...basically the same unit. Although it's been replaced, the processing speed is still up-to-date. If you're looking for JUST a GPS, I highly recommend it. If you want XM, traffic, or weather, you'll want to buy a later model.


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The latest and greatest. It gives you XM, an mp3 player, and traffic-based routing. Garmin also updated the user interface that really looks nice and more intuitive.
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I think the 2610 would suit my wallet best, the 2820 sounds good ( don't know what XM is anyhoo ). So long as the 2610 will fit my mount then I'll be happy.

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I think the 2610 would suit my wallet best, the 2820 sounds good ( don't know what XM is anyhoo ). So long as the 2610 will fit my mount then I'll be happy.
XM Radio = satellite radio. You pay a subscription fee and then can listen to radio stations based on genre of music, or news, etc. Many Love it.

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That certainly helps, thanks for that info. My bike has the mount shown below but I don't actually know which version of Navigator it's intended for, perhaps it doesn't matter ?

That is the same mount as mine and I have the Nav II.

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OK so I need to look for a 2610.

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The Garmin units WILL NOT work with the BMW cradle. You have to get a BMW Navigator to use the BMW Cradle.


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I was under the impression that the Garmin 2610 would work but the extra buttons on the left will not. I can live with that.

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You are correct. The mount will physically hold the unit, but the buttons will not work.


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Just so long as it will hold the 2610 and can obtain it's power from it that's good for me. Incidentally, does the cradle have a built in sound out connection i.e to an Autocom, or would that be via a jack plug on the Garmin itself ?

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The latest and greatest. It gives you XM, an mp3 player, and traffic-based routing. Garmin also updated the user interface that really looks nice and more intuitive.
The BMW version of the 2820 does NOT have XM radio or XM traffic capability (nor the mp3 function, either, I believe). Not only can this be discerned from Garmin's and BMW's websites, it's consistent with (a) the BMW cradle blocking the USB port on the back of the NAV III (the Garmin XM receiver is a separate ($267!) USB plug-in unit), and (b) BMW's brand-wide commitment to Sirius, to the exclusion of XM.



FWIW, I currently have an e-mail inquiry into Garmin tech support to find out whether the Garmin add-on XM receiver would work with the NAV III in a car environment, with either the NAV III firmware or if flashed to the 2820 firmware. If yes, then it would be a simple matter to cut off the small part of the cradle that blocks the NAV III's USB port and install the cable to the XM receiver (assuming one can choke down the objection to the $$$).

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The day you find me paying to listen to radio is the day I'll need my head examined. And I'm married to a counselor.

I used to have that same position until I melted about $500 worth of music CDs at the river in the boat. I put the XM cradles in the boat,Truck and LT. One receiver and all problems solved. The only thing that toasts my nerves is paying for Radio and still getting advertisements. Mostly on the comedy stations. But it's like paying to go to the movies and sitting through 15 minutes of commercials before the movie starts. Aggravating at best.

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The BMW version of the 2820 does NOT have XM radio or XM traffic capability (nor the mp3 function, either, I believe). Not only can this be discerned from Garmin's and BMW's websites, it's consistent with (a) the BMW cradle blocking the USB port on the back of the NAV III (the Garmin XM receiver is a separate ($267!) USB plug-in unit), and (b) BMW's brand-wide commitment to Sirius, to the exclusion of XM.



FWIW, I currently have an e-mail inquiry into Garmin tech support to find out whether the Garmin add-on XM receiver would work with the NAV III in a car environment, with either the NAV III firmware or if flashed to the 2820 firmware. If yes, then it would be a simple matter to cut off the small part of the cradle that blocks the NAV III's USB port and install the cable to the XM receiver (assuming one can choke down the objection to the $$$).
Yep, I can agree with this. I have a Nav 3, which does have bluetooth but no XM or tunes. I uses the cradle shown in the pics. Contains all europe mapping, draws and calculates much faster than the quest 1 or 2. Liking it so far.

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The BMW version of the 2820 does NOT have XM radio or XM traffic capability (nor the mp3 function, either, I believe).
Thanks. I stand corrected.
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Not sure what the BMW version of the 2820 looks like. But, you can buy the 2820 off the shelf and it has XM, MP3 and audio books.

Also, the mount is the same for all the 26xx, 27xx and 28xx devices. The extra buttons on the left side of your mount are basically inactive with the above devices (except the 26xx).
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Are there differences between the BMW branded navigators and the Garmins? Are there any slight differences beside the branding/logos?
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I've never owned or used one, but from what I've seen when others use them, this model is really out-dated. The processing is much to slow for a touring rider. The screen is black&white, which may or may not be a big deal to some.





BTW: NAV1 or Streetpilot III is color, and not too bad to use for touring. A little slow at times, but if one prepares for the ride it works just fine. JMHO



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Just a quickie, can anyone confirm if the Garmin 2620 will fit my cradle shown in the photo posted earlier ? Need a quick reply if possible, thanks.

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Just a quickie, can anyone confirm if the Garmin 2620 will fit my cradle shown in the photo posted earlier ? Need a quick reply if possible, thanks.
Yes, a 2620 will fit that cradle, BUT the 4 extra buttons will not work. There is a 2.5mm (not the usual 3.5)jack socket on the cradle from which you can route your Audio. BTW, are you doing the Boundary???

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I'm in the UK so won't be joining you on the run.

2.5mm should be ok to plug into my Autocom so I'll get the Satnav voice through my headphones ?

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Whops, it must be a UK run ?

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I'm in the UK so won't be joining you on the run.
?? Strangely enough, I live just up the road from you in Co. Durham - the Boundary is a 500 mile ride out for the NE air ambulance - Stockton- Scarborough - Skipton - Barrow - Whitehaven - Berwick - Hurworth (near Darlington) - roughly covers the area the NE Air Ambulance covers - 16th June.

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OK here's the story so far, I've just placed a winning bid on ebay for a 2620 and I've paid so it's mine. I didn't realise til I read the reviews (afterwards) that this unit has a 2.2gb microdrive and some suggest that it may not be suitable for use on a Motorcycle due to vibration. Is anyone here using a 2620 and does it work ok ?

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OK here's the story so far, I've just placed a winning bid on ebay for a 2620 and I've paid so it's mine. I didn't realise til I read the reviews (afterwards) that this unit has a 2.2gb microdrive and some suggest that it may not be suitable for use on a Motorcycle due to vibration. Is anyone here using a 2620 and does it work ok ?
17 countries, 2 CONTINENTS & counting ! - I've got a MotorradII - similar to a 2610, and I use it all over the world. The only thing I would do when you get it is swap out the microdrive for a CF - totally compattable, but no moving parts. The other thing is make sure you get all the licence/ registration details from the vendor, otherwise you could have upgrade problems.

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If it curently has a microdrive, a CF card will fit without a problem - they are dimensioally identical.

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OK here's the story so far, I've just placed a winning bid on ebay for a 2620 and I've paid so it's mine. I didn't realise til I read the reviews (afterwards) that this unit has a 2.2gb microdrive and some suggest that it may not be suitable for use on a Motorcycle due to vibration. Is anyone here using a 2620 and does it work ok ?
That is correct. The Nav II is a 2610, not a 2620. The 2620 with the microdrive has problems with the vibration on motorcycles. The 2610/Nav II uses a compact flash card and does not have problems with vibration.
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If it curently has a microdrive, a CF card will fit without a problem - they are dimensioally identical.
Thanks Woolly, I'll try and Google for some instructions on replacing with a CF card. If the unt doesn't come with a cd (and I don't think the 2620 does) then I won't be able to transfer maps etc.

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Thanks Woolly, I'll try and Google for some instructions on replacing with a CF card. If the unt doesn't come with a cd (and I don't think the 2620 does) then I won't be able to transfer maps etc.
Andy, It should come with 'Mapsource' on DVD (or multiple CD's) - I can give you a copy of V8 Europe DVD, but you will need the Garmin unlock codes to be able to use it - Make Sure you get these from the vendor.

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Thanks for that, I've emailed the seller asking for codes but no reply to date.
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There is a 2.5mm (not the usual 3.5)jack socket on the cradle from which you can route your Audio. BTW
OK if there is one, I can't find it anywhere.

From my searches so far, it sounds as though the early 2620's had the CF card slot but the later versions are sealed units. I'll just have to suck it and see when it arrives, doh !

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Having just upgraded my Nav II to a Nav III there are some major differences in the units. First, the BMW badged Garmin units are physically different. For example. The black case of the BMW Nav is fuel proof (although if you're spaying petrol around up there you probably need to stop riding and take a rest). One big difference is in the way the circuit boards are mounted internally. The Nav units are more robust and have better vibration protection Makes sense as they are specifically for use on a motorbike. Info above regarding using the mounting cradle and MP3 functions from Mark are spot on. I guess the biggest operating difference for me is the ability to locate directly a postal code, and "go to" Quite a nice change from the Nav II. And great here in the UK where I'm still a bit lost. Nav II has a CF card slot, I used a 1Gb CF card as more reliable with no moving parts. The III has internal memory. II uses City navigator maps. The III uses City Navigator NT Maps. (may be backward compatible but within the computer they are treated as separate software. NT gives the post code search function.) I feel the III screen much easier to read. Oh, one other thing, the BMW units come with a standard 2 year warrantee as opposed to the 1 year on the garmin. Quite a lot of changes to the menu selections too, just reflecting the change to user interface I guess. HTH

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Hi Simon. Don't have access to a Nüvi 660, sorry. Maybe someone can chime in. One thing that I learnt this morning from Garmin that may be of interest. They will no longer allow multiple (ie 2) unlock codes for their Mapsource products. In my case I use City Navigator NT Europe in both the Nav III and my eTrex Vista Cx. Very useful when exploring a new city for the first time. Leave the scoot, mark it as a home point, wander around all day then directions back to where you started from. Another difference with the Nav III, it doesn't support the Garmin "Saftey Camera" data base. Just a point
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I thought that would so, but if you do happen to be somewhere that have them on display and can fiddle around with one, let me know.

The reason I ask is that I have a Nuvi 660 and am extremely pleased with it, but I also have the GPS pre-instalation on the bike, so am wondering whether it would be worth investing in one if there is a noticeable difference in what it offers to a biker.

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The word from the seller is that the 2620 I've bought doesn't have the CF slot, that's a real shame. Does anyone know if it's still possible to open the case and replace the microdrive with a CF card ?

Where abouts would the 2.5mm external speaker jack be on the 2620 ?

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If you have the standard BM mount with the four buttons, the jack socket is on the underside, below the buttons - the buttons effectively duplicate some of the 'touch screen' features of the unit, making it easier to use with gloves on.
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What I have done is plugged in a 'Maplins' external speaker, and mounted it where the BC display goes on pre '05 bikes - volume is plenty loud enough, even at illegal (whoops, 'track'!!!) speeds.
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I see, I have a 2.5mm cable which I'd used on my pda satnav and it connects into my Autocom fitted beneath the seat, that'll direct the nav instructions through to my headsets.
I didn't realise until looking for the spk jack that the mount requires a special key/tool to release/tighten the lock screw on the top of the mount. Guess what, I don't seem to have one with the bike, luckily I've found a small star drive head that fits in deep enough to work the screw.

OK we're making progress, just need to hear if anyone has managed to MAKE a CF card fit into the case on a leter 2620. I don't ask much do I

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I didn't realise until looking for the spk jack that the mount requires a special key/tool to release/tighten the lock screw on the top of the mount. Guess what, I don't seem to have one with the bike, luckily I've found a small star drive head that fits in deep enough to work the screw.
Bear in mind, the screw on the top of the mount is a 'Security Torx screw' - similar to a stand torx, but has a central 'pip' to make it more difficult for light fingured people to nick it. - the security torx bit has a corresponding hole in the end.

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Check out the follwing review

http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/garminsp2610-50.php

which highlights the differences between the 2610(similar to my MotorradII) and the 2620. There is an article floating round somewhere where someone disassembles a 2610 with loads of piccies - I'm sure this would help you swapping out the MD for a CF.

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Yes I'd discovered this link earlier today when looking for 2620 and CF card info. http://home.socal.rr.com/diverhank/S...#_Toc144991143

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I've just returned from a weeks holiday in Cornwall and my 2620 was waiting for me, all appears to be working so far (tested on a very short run) other than the audio out from the mount shown in the 1st post. I was using a stereo 2.5mm lead and I'm guessing that I need to get a mono lead for the sound to work ?

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