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Nightmare with routing software

I cannot get Basecamp to map a clear route cross country. And when I try to fix its weird loop and off-course routing it get worse, trying to re-route the original product is even worse.

There is no way of putting more than two way points on the MyMap google (which is the only platform that appears to support KLM exports to basecamp)

I tried that Furkot but that one is the worse--least user friendly. I could not figure it out.

All the videos I watched on Basecamp training use very short routes. None that I found use cross country routing how-to.

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Re: Nightmare with routing software

I bought Microsoft Streets at Sams for $30. It has a very quick learning curve. I export the route as a .gpx file and then transfer the file into my Garmin GPS. MS Streets meets my needs with no hassle. The guys I ride with also use it, so we can send proposed routes back and forth to make changes before we set out on a trip.

I have the Windows 7 64 bit OS on my computer and I couldn't even get BaseCamp to run on it. So I loaded it and learned how to use it on my wife's laptop (same OS). It was hard to use. It was always having problems with what map to use. MS Streets isn't the greatest, but for me it's a lot better than BaseCamp.
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Thank you so much. It does look like quite a bit friendlier than CamP

One question: Do I have to upload the file from MS Street to basecamp first and then to the GPS or can I upload them straight to the GPS?

thanks, really appreciate your input
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Re: Nightmare with routing software

I've never tried a really long route. I break my trips into day-sized chunks and create my routes as Day01, Day02, etc. I add the leading zero so they sort right, otherwise it'd be 1, 10, 11, 12, 2, 3, 4.

I found that crazy loops are often due to me picking a shaping point on the wrong side of a divided highway. Also mysterious U-turns for no reason etc. I fix them one at a time by opening the route then right-click on each via point and choose "show on map". They open at maximum resolution and I can clearly see if I'm on the wrong side of the road, or the right road 50 feet short of the entrance ramp, or visiting a parking lot, or something, and move the point accordingly.

Check your activity profile too, if it's set to curvy roads and avoid interstates, that could have the effect you posted about.

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Thank you so much. It does look like quite a bit friendlier than CamP

One question: Do I have to upload the file from MS Street to basecamp first and then to the GPS or can I upload them straight to the GPS?

thanks, really appreciate your input
With MS Streets, you don't need BaseCamp. I plug the GPS into my computer. The computer recognizes the GPS. I just copy the .gpx file to the GPX folder in the GPS memory or I usually put it in the GPX folder on the SD card I added to the GPS. You then turn on the GPS and go the one of the menu items, Route Planning? or something like that, and IMPORT the route. It is now a saved route that you can use anytime you want.

One caution. If you are in a group and everyone has imported the same .gpx route, then you all must setup the exact same AVOIDANCES on your GPS units. If you don't, your GPS units will want to send you on different routes, which gets very confusing.
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What Rider2 said - chunk your routes into individual trips/routes/days. It took me a while to get the hang of BaseCamp, but once you figure out how it works, it's pretty decent.

Zoom in and look at your route points to make sure they're not off the beaten path. If they are, you'll get loops and weird looking routes. Also, "insert point" is your friend. It's in the Tools menu and will allow you to add a new point to your route. Just hover the mouse over the point you want to continue from, wait until it turns to a big black circle and click. The route will pick up from that point. Once someone told me that trick, BaseCamp became infintely more useful to me.

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Microsoft Streets seems to have a short live span now

Microsoft Discontinues MapPoint and Streets & Trips

It ll still be good for a year, at least.

I am baffled as to why MapQuest, Google, and now MS Street is pulling this application out of the market. What could be going on?
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I am willing to try the 'short-routing' method with Basecamp

but one question: how do I get basecamp to recognize the addresses I want in order to make way points?

I write an address, click the refurbish address button and nothing happens
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I use both MS Streets & Trips, the most recent version. Now that Microsoft decided to abandon it, if you can still buy one then get it as you will not be disappointed.

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MS S&T is installed on Windows 7 Ultimate. This version also has a virtual machine. BaseCamp is installed on the VM with another copy of Windows 7 Ultimate. So for mapping, both OS's are running on a single machine.

1st.
Planning a trip on MS S&T is the most easiest, in my opinion.

2nd.
I could export it into .gpx file, but it has some quirks ... will explain a bit later

3rd.
I have two 24" hi-res monitors, and run MS S&T on one monitor and BaseCamp on the other monitor. I roughly remap it in BaseCamp. Once done, I then zoom-in to check where I have placed markers. Like someone said, make sure it's not on the opposite side of the divided highway.

4th.
Finally, I then export my trips out of BaseCamp straight onto the Garmin piece.

S&T quirk.
I have noticed that when you create a trip in S&T and decide to export it into .gpx file. It exports without a problem. The problem arises when you try to import the .gpx into BaseCamp. It will give you error ... some like bad file or some sort. I figured out, if my memory serves well that there is a date/time stamp issue. Once you edit the file in a text editor and save it back, BaseCamp can then import the file.

However, some times S&T will calculate the route to your liking, i.e. you may not need to put markers that often, but when you import that into BaseCamp, BaseCamp may recalculate it differently based on it's own algorithm. In this case, you would have to go and fix the routing. So, first it's the Microsoft issue when exporting the file (it could also be that Garmin doesn't like Microsoft's way of doing things), second, recalculation algorithms are different in both systems.

I have not proof read this long note, so if there are grammatical or spelling errors, try to figure out yourself what the sentence means.

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I am willing to try the 'short-routing' method with Basecamp

but one question: how do I get basecamp to recognize the addresses I want in order to make way points?

I write an address, click the refurbish address button and nothing happens
Find -> Find Addresses and plug in the values. When you fill it all in, BaseCamp will take a few seconds to try to find the address. You can also click the three little dots next to the refresh arrow to find more or similar addresses. It's a bit quirky, to be sure, but it generally works. If that doesn't do it for you, you can always go to the map and place a waypoint near the address. Like i said, quirky, and it took me a bit of time/patience to figure it out, but eventually I was able to figure out how to use it with a certain amount of success.

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I cannot get Basecamp to map a clear route cross country. And when I try to fix its weird loop and off-course routing it get worse, trying to re-route the original product is even worse.

There is no way of putting more than two way points on the MyMap google (which is the only platform that appears to support KLM exports to basecamp)

I tried that Furkot but that one is the worse--least user friendly. I could not figure it out.

All the videos I watched on Basecamp training use very short routes. None that I found use cross country routing how-to.

Any suggestions?
Are you using a PC or Mac?

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What Rider2 said - chunk your routes into individual trips/routes/days. It took me a while to get the hang of BaseCamp, but once you figure out how it works, it's pretty decent.

Zoom in and look at your route points to make sure they're not off the beaten path. If they are, you'll get loops and weird looking routes. Also, "insert point" is your friend. It's in the Tools menu and will allow you to add a new point to your route. Just hover the mouse over the point you want to continue from, wait until it turns to a big black circle and click. The route will pick up from that point. Once someone told me that trick, BaseCamp became infintely more useful to me.
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I am using PC

I got another question:

The Garmin memory is 80% full. Is there any way to erase the European and Asian Maps?
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I found the mapquest web site to do a really good job at routing and it exports to a .gpx file. Perhaps that's an alternative?
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Try This...basecamp class

http://www.newenglandriders.org/BaseCamp_Class.pdf
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I fix them one at a time by opening the route then right-click on each via point and choose "show on map". They open at maximum resolution and I can clearly see if I'm on the wrong side of the road, or the right road 50 feet short of the entrance ramp, or visiting a parking lot, or something, and move the point accordingly.
Can you easily fix one of these (how?) if it is in the middle of your route?

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Can you easily fix one of these (how?) if it is in the middle of your route?
Yes you can fix any point in the route: beginning, middle, or end. I actually check every one before I consider the route "done". It's not difficult

To check and fix a point, click on the route with the hand tool; you'll see a ballon with the name of the route ("Home to John's Diner"). Click on the name - it'll open a window with a number of tabs; the first one is Properties. It's a list of each waypoint, via point, and shaping point in the route. If you right click on any entry (PC, I don't know how it works with a Mac) you'll get a menu, choose Show on Map. The point will be in the center of the map, surrounded by an orange circle, and the map will be at max magnification. If it's where you want it, fine, if not select the Move icon (red box with a dotted line around it, with an arrow pointing to the box) and use the cursor to drag the point where it should be then wait for the route to recalculate. Zoom out if necessary to see the total effect. I've learned the hard way to do this for _every_ point.

Another thing I do is use Google Maps for route planning, then replicate it in Base Camp. It's easier than doing it all in Base Camp.

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