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View Poll Results: Who should be allowed to attend the next Treffen? (Multiple choice)
K1200LTs only 5 27.78%
Any model of LT 4 22.22%
Any model of LT and RT 1 5.56%
Allow elligible riders to bring non-LT riding friends 5 27.78%
Any touring bike from any marque - open to anyone 7 38.89%
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post #1 of 27 Old Aug 18th, 2009, 5:29 am Thread Starter
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Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

There's a topic running on the BMW Club website about what people want from Club events and I mentioned the LT Treffen as pretty much my ideal style - relatively informal but well organised, a choice of accommodation to suita ll tastes and pockets and pretty much based around riding the bikes and socialising. A couple of people on the website have expressed an interest but have asked whether it's restricted to K1200LTs or open to any type of LT. At one point ISTR that we talked about allowing other top-range touring bikes, such as the RT.

What's the general opinion of having bikes other than K1200LTs? I wouldn't have a problem with other LTs but wouldn't be as happy to have RTs along purely because there are so many more of them and it could dilute the experience, with the distinct risk of turning it from something unusual into something closer to the norm for biker rallies.

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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

I would assume that RTís and the like have their own kind of Treffen, same for Panís and Blackbirds,
Whether they be RT, GT or any other marquee of touring bike, if they would like to see the LT and to come along and share our experience with us thatís fine by me,
The name wonít change.
If my LT was off the road for any reason and I had access to another bike, or change her to a GT, would I be turned away? Would I lose the friends I made at the 2009 Treffen?
I didnít think so,
But saying that, as Rockdoc said ďA risk of turning it from something unusual into something closer to the norm for biker rallies.Ē
So I do have mixed feelings!
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I think that so long as it is called the K1200lt treffen, then mainly K1200lts will come. But if someone was to change bike (many people are going over to other BMWs) then it would be a shame to loose them.
I think that the Finland treffen has had a similar discussion
Maybe Ari will let us know what happened there

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Hi Folks,

Well I voted, but not sure if we were missing a few options. I think it should be advertised to K1200LT riders, but if they have a riding buddy who happens to ride a Wing or other touring bike then I wouldn't have a problem with them coming along. They would have to wear the Treffen T-Shirt though!

I'm looking forward to next year, and hope we get a few new faces. I'm sure those who attended this year will be there in 2010.

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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

I think that anyone who had owned an LT and been to a Treffen would be welcome on another bike under the 'guest' concept but if there were a limit on numbers then LT riders ought to get priority. I don't think that the presence of earlier models of K-LT would change the balance or style of the meeting. While R-RTs would perhaps be the (for the want of a term) least-worst addition - they are intended for a similar purpose so the touring aspect would stay - but, as I wrote earlier, I do have a concern that they'd come to predominate quite quickly and the opportunity for LT riders to come together would be lost.

I wouldn't be bothered by changing the title from K1200LT Treffen to K-LT Treffen. I'd resist losing LT being prominent, though.

Mike, that was where my idea of a rider's guest came in. The event is predominantly for LT riders but they can bring friends to make up the numbers. We'd perhaps have to give LT riders priority up to a certain date and then allow guests to take up any spare places.

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Mike, that was where my idea of a rider's guest came in. The event is predominantly for LT riders but they can bring friends to make up the numbers. We'd perhaps have to give LT riders priority up to a certain date and then allow guests to take up any spare places.

Keith
With you here, open to k12lt's first, upto a cut off date, after that open to buddies and other touring bikes.

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K1100lt? Yuk - pug ugly ;-)

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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

I am sure, like myself, we can all at the the drop of a hat go to any Treffen and find any make or model of bike.Nothing unique about that. Typical Wing Treffens can have anywhere from 20 to 800 bikes depending on where they are. They are 10 a penny.
The K1200LT is a unique bike, in terms of the numbers of them around the place, and hence so should the Treffens. It is so hard to come across K1200LT riders during normal travelling conditions and get togethers. I would like to know that when I go to a K1200LT treffen that all the bikes there are going to be K1200LT's and hence know that we can share our technical and general K1200LT knowledge with each other etc . It is the only time I am guaranteed to meet other K1200LT riders. Lets not dilute future treffens by making them the same as most other Treffens that occur.
I for one would not have anywhere near the same level of interest or enthusiasm in attending a mixed get together. We can all do that I am sure most Sundays.

Finally, seeing 12 K1200LT's together last month for the inaugural Treffen was brilliant. It just would not have been the same if there was a sprinkling of other tourers.

You can guess which way I voted !
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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

I agree with Mark on this one, I think the treffen was a resounding success this year and this was down to the like minded people and bikes.So why change something that worked.
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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

It is a bit odd that most of the discussion is wary of opening up the LT treffen, but the votes are not reflecting this. The first vote we had on this was on the 'what shall we do next year?' page - and only 1 person voted to open it up.
TBH we are looking at a venue that could be full within quite a short space of time, so I would go with, lets get the thing rolling as is and see how quick we fill the place before considering other bikes.
If someone wants to turn up on a Goldwing though - I suppose it gives us something to laugh at

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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

K1200LT Treffen = K1200LT owners....

For now, how about keeping K1200LT owners to attend the Treffen,
after all, we started the Treffin for us...K1200LT owners...
lets concentrate on getting as many K1200LT owners as we can to next years Treffin.
If we can set a venue and date, and contact as many K1200LT owners as we can to attend..
there must be a lot out there that dont even know about this site..
Im happy to go with philh24's idea for 2010,
so lets vote, get some posters sorted & get the word out..

The pace that we go that will take us into the new year..
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Bear - we are closer to that than you think (but nothing can happen till the CCR is over)

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Bear - we are closer to that than you think (but nothing can happen till the CCR is over)
So we need to confirm a date, I guess the venue is sorted, (Up North - spoken in a funny accent) but still to be booked. And then we have to decide at what point we open the evet up to none K12LT's to other touring bikes or other K Models if that is the general feeling.

Are we going to get folks to pay a booking/reservation fee to the place to perhaps focus peoples minds? I'm happy to pay a deposit.

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For the date - the venue will be confirming availability very shortly with Phil. I am hoping that the date will be good for those crazy Finns - if they all come, we are looking at twice the numbers I reckon!
Payment will be centralized this time (at venue request, but also a good way of making sure people turn up if the weather turns bad!)
Hopefully a flier will be available within a few weeks - oh no - that means we need another logo!!!
Or shall we stick to the one we have?

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Hopefully a flier will be available within a few weeks - oh no - that means we need another logo!!!
Or shall we stick to the one we have?
Glad you mention that. I've had an idea about usung the basic image with have, but replace the bike possibly and overlay an image of the Whitby Abbey to sort of locationise the logo.

I'll try and knock up an example, and then get my man at work to drink a couple of beers and do the business. I can then offer the design up for votes.

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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

[QUOTE=c00k1e]It is a bit odd that most of the discussion is wary of opening up the LT treffen, but the votes are not reflecting this.


I agree ,who voted to open it up. They don't appear to be vocal about their choice. Come on, lets all in on your rationale.
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It is a bit odd that most of the discussion is wary of opening up the LT treffen, but the votes are not reflecting this.


I agree ,who voted to open it up. They don't appear to be vocal about their choice. Come on, lets all in on your rationale.
Well I clicked the wrong button ;-)

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It is a bit odd that most of the discussion is wary of opening up the LT treffen, but the votes are not reflecting this.


I agree ,who voted to open it up. They don't appear to be vocal about their choice. Come on, lets all in on your rationale.
Mark, Maybe they werenít K1200LT owners??
Might of Just wanted to get in on our Treffen..

Which is fine with me, but they ride at the back and park separately...same respect that I would give to any other none K1200LT Treffen I attended
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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

As I've said before, I don't think that opening it to all K-LTs would make a huge difference since the LT was never a common bike in any of its forms but it seems that the feeling of the people who attended this year's Treffen, who I was aiming the poll at, want to keep it to the K1200LT. That's fine by me. I'd been asked the question and didn't feel that it was my decision to make.

There was some talk of people bringing their mates along at the start of planning the last one, though. Is that still to be an option? If K1200LT riders are to be given priority, at what point do we say that others can come? Do we say that any non-K1200LT riders have to make their own arrangements for accommodation in the area but can join us on the runs and at meals/the local?

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My two pence worth.

I would assume that most people who ride a K12LT (like my friend) are the only one in their immediate circle of regular riding companions. Their friends will ride all sorts of bikes due to preference laced with finances. My logic would be why would I go to a meeting without at least one of my regular riding companions. So the likelihood of attending a meet would be nil for me and I would think for most people. What would motivate to travel a long distance alone?

Would I be right to assume that if you ride a K12LT now that the vast majority will have ridden another type/make of bike before this love of their life?

Ask yourself the question how did you "discover" the K12LT and how can A.N. other discover your style of transport. Don't forget you will need to sell on your pride and joy to someone at sometime so look on these guests as potential customers / converts.

As an R1200RT rider I was only trying to inject a bit of a different perspective.
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I think that the reason most people want to keep it to just k1200lt's is that we never seem to see or meet other klt riders on the road or at meetings.I have been to several meets and been the only lt there, I agree with your reasoning which does make sense but the idea of the treffen was to get like minded lt owners together.
The distance didnt seem to bother some who went to the last meeting we had people come over from Germany Spain Holland and Ireland just for this meeting. I myself travelled down to the meeting which was 260 miles from me.
I would think most riders have had other bikes and some even have another bike aswell as the lt,I had a 1200rt before this great bike but went back to an lt much heavier bike but the comfort outweighs the weight in my opinion.
This is just my own opinion but as Mark said in an earlier thread we can all go to local meets and meet other bikers.
Meeting other people with a common interest is what made this meeting special.
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Re: Should we open the doors to other bikes for the next Treffen?

I don't think we should do anything to diminish the K-LT aspect of the Treffen but I don't think it would automatically do that to allow guests, especially if we restricted the number each LT rider can bring. I doubt if every rider would bring one anyway so if we said each LT rider can bring one guest rider we'd still see a large majority of the bikes being LTs. Because it's very likely that guest rider would have a similar attitude to the host rider, the atmosphere would stay the same, too.

The problem is making sure that LT riders can get first priority. They have a date before which only previous CCR registrants can book. Would something like that be the answer? Set a cut-off of, say, the end of February and if there are free rooms within our allotment they can go to guests?

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People, one last push.

If as suggested there are other non LT's invited, up to 50% of the bikes could be non LT. This does not constitute an LT Treffen. This is a bike rally where half the bikes are LT's. We have a chance of having one event per year where we go to a rally that is exclusively K1200LT. It will be the only chance where we can eat drink and talk LT.

If we go the opposite way we will be stuck with this mix forever as it will be impossible to change from there on. Lets not make it just another rally, there is absolutely nothing attractive or unique about that. These can be found weekly throughout the UK.

As far as riding to Treffens on our own ?
This is exactly what most of us did in July and if the truth be known most of us do all the time. I travel thousands of miles on my own every year, as do most of the attendants in July from what I gathered, no problem. This seems to be a common trait with LT riders. However getting together in July and riding out with other LT riders was great.

Come on people lets get the poll to reflect what people are actually thinking and saying.
Incidentally has the poll been open to non LT owners ?, if it has then it should not have been and hence is not refelctive of purely LT riders at whom it was aimed..
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1. Ride on my own (well with pillion). Riding isn't some sort of team sport, I stop when I feel like it, go at the speed I want to go at and decide not to ride at the last second if I feel that way - none of which I can do if I ride with loads of other people. And yes, we ride loooong distance. This bike doesn't play well with other bikes anyway, it is a bit different.
2. Found bike by seeing one on my commute to work, not 'cos a mate had one and I wanted to copy him. Did my research and looked into all the pros and cons
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I would assume that most people who ride a K12LT (like my friend) are the only one in their immediate circle of regular riding companions. Their friends will ride all sorts of bikes due to preference laced with finances. My logic would be why would I go to a meeting without at least one of my regular riding companions. So the likelihood of attending a meet would be nil for me and I would think for most people. What would motivate to travel a long distance alone?

Would I be right to assume that if you ride a K12LT now that the vast majority will have ridden another type/make of bike before this love of their life?

Ask yourself the question how did you "discover" the K12LT and how can A.N. other discover your style of transport. Don't forget you will need to sell on your pride and joy to someone at sometime so look on these guests as potential customers / converts.

As an R1200RT rider I was only trying to inject a bit of a different perspective.

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People, one last push.

We have a chance of having one event per year where we go to a rally that is exclusively K1200LT. It will be the only chance where we can eat drink and talk LT.
I guess in restrospect I voted the wrong way, I have a very good buddy (rides a ZZR) who I do most bike stuff with, and if there had been places vacant and needing filling, I'd have suggested he join us.

I agree that perhaps we should keep this an K1200LT Treffen, and if we want other bikes at a get together, perhaps all go to an organised event for all bike types another time.

So my vote should now read - K1200LT only!

Now, what about a european friends? should we be dropping them a line and getting some buy in from them? Phil does have rooms set aside for us.

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Well thatís crap, we have missed the voting , donít get allot of time to go on the forum, as I work away allot, and try and be back for my 2hour show on bikerfm every Wednesday. Iím happy to keep it ltís
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Clive I dont think you have looked at the date on this thread its over a year old
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