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When we left Idaho last fall, there was enthusiasm for 2016 and Monterey. . .a chance to check off some significant motorcycling boxes! We had responded to the Town Hall meetings with some schedule changes and a reduced amount of charity pressure. Jean Zeiler got the new Ambassador program up and running and hang tags are headed to more than thirty dealers around the country. Bruce White, this year's chair, has decided to favor riding activities over seminars or other hotel based activities; the web site reflects that change. Registration has been open for a while and setting up hotel reservations has never been easier. The 2016 charity has been announced and information is on the web site. But, to date we have a very low registration number and no newbies. What gives? Chime in here and let the board of directors know what you are thinking. Where is everybody?

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Can't answer for anyone else but for Sammie & I it is a list of different things that are happing this year. We are building a new home & sell our old one after 22 years living here. With all this money is tighter then normal. In the past we had a blast going to CCR but the last few years the luster has wore off for us so I'm afraid CCR is a thing of the past for us. In a few years we might give it another try but not for know.

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Too many out west, still paying for the last one. Economy sux. Had to pick and choose trips and rides.
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Among other things, the BMW MOA has taken a page out of the CCR playbook with their "Getaways". These hotel-based events often conflict directly with CCR and offer geographic and calendar diversity. With the de-emphasis of the LT at CCR, the Getaways may look like a mini-CCR--get together in a hotel and talk about BMW's. It would be interesting to see a graph of attendance of CCR and all Getaways since Getaways started.
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I think that having 4 of the last 6 CCRs in the western US has hurt attendance . Jan and I have registered for Monterey but I am not 100% sure we will be attending. I have talked with several who attended in the past that said the cost and time to ride to California has made it impossible for them to attend this year. I realize that choosing "good motorcycling" locations pretty much excludes most of the central US so unfortunately choosing a good location is going to to put a hardship on many, particularly those of us who still work and have limited time off. I think maybe we should look at past locations that had good attendance and go back there. I am not sure that having a "new" location every year is that much of an attraction.

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The CCR officers met last night to talk about the low registration number and other stuff. Well, don't you know, of the seven members of the Executive Committee, only two are registered. Seems procrastination is at work here. . .and I'm a member of that club. Then we looked at the list of current registrants (we have about 30) and determined that there are, at least, 25 folks we know are coming who are not yet on the list. Any other procrastinators out there? For budgeting and planning, getting a firm handle on the group size would be helpful. If you are coming and have just put off registering, please register sooner rather than later.

Some related CCR background: the Executive Committee in place for Duluth selected sites a few years out. . .including, Chatt, Cd'A, and Monterey. This group of sites has been under contract for a while. For 2017 we are in negotiation with a site in the east and for 2018 we are committed to going somewhere in the center. Want to help with all this? Spots on the board of directors open every year. . .for 2017, we have candidates for most of the leadership positions but lack a Vice Chair (the presumptive 2018 chair) and are looking for someone to shadow the treasure for a year and then take that job.

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The CCR officers met last night to talk about the low registration number and other stuff. Well, don't you know, of the seven members of the Executive Committee, only two are registered. Seems procrastination is at work here. . .and I'm a member of that club...
If you are coming and have just put off registering, please register sooner rather than later.
Maybe a reward or benefit for early registration would be in order.
There used to be that.

We used to own the LT site and it actively promoted CCR. Not by just a forum but having a logo on the header of every page that Lead to the CCR site. And ads too.

The LT is no more and was replaced by the K1600. The K1600 site doesn't even have a CCR forum.

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I think that having 4 of the last 6 CCRs in the western US has hurt attendance . Jan and I have registered for Monterey but I am not 100% sure we will be attending. I have talked with several who attended in the past that said the cost and time to ride to California has made it impossible for them to attend this year. I realize that choosing "good motorcycling" locations pretty much excludes most of the central US so unfortunately choosing a good location is going to to put a hardship on many, particularly those of us who still work and have limited time off. I think maybe we should look at past locations that had good attendance and go back there. I am not sure that having a "new" location every year is that much of an attraction.

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I have to admit it's the time and expense for us to take a 'long' trip to ccr this year because we took a 'long trip' to ccr last year. It is just going to take up too much of the recreation budget. We're going to 'spring training camp' because it's short for us. I recall the same issue raised by west costs riders when we had CCR in Vermont.
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Maybe a reward or benefit for early registration would be in order.
There used to be that.

We used to own the LT site and it actively promoted CCR. Not by just a forum but having a logo on the header of every page that Lead to the CCR site. And ads too.

The LT is no more and was replaced by the K1600. The K1600 site doesn't even have a CCR forum.
I don't know anything about how forums are set up and work... Is it possible to have one subforum linked to two forums? Could the CCR subforum on the LT Forum be linked as a subforum on the K1600 forum?

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Al, I don't know about this stuff either but Dan Fnazzo was trying to get the K1600 site to do some CCR splash. He pointed out that both the LT big list and the K1600 site are owned by the same outfit. Hummmmm. It has been clear for a few years that the RT and K1600 communities are the logical future of CCR. In the first years of the LT, the desire to have both a virtual and actual interaction among owners/riders was what gave birth to both the LT forums(s) and CCR. I have never sensed that the K1600 or RT groups have expressed the same need. . .but if they do, having CCR morph into a K1600/RT organization only makes sense. Heck, you, Steve, Tom, Bruce, Buzz, Bill. . .all K1600 guys. That looks like a committee

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Is there a posted flyer on this forum explaining what this is, where this is, when this is, etc?
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No flyer yet but I'll try to attach a copy of the hang tag we are using for PR. And. . .the CCR website has lots of information. 2016 Home
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Al, I don't know about this stuff either but Dan Fnazzo was trying to get the K1600 site to do some CCR splash. He pointed out that both the LT big list and the K1600 site are owned by the same outfit. Hummmmm. It has been clear for a few years that the RT and K1600 communities are the logical future of CCR. In the first years of the LT, the desire to have both a virtual and actual interaction among owners/riders was what gave birth to both the LT forums(s) and CCR. I have never sensed that the K1600 or RT groups have expressed the same need. . .but if they do, having CCR morph into a K1600/RT organization only makes sense. Heck, you, Steve, Tom, Bruce, Buzz, Bill. . .all K1600 guys. That looks like a committee
I try to read every new post that comes up on the LT Forum and most on the K1600 Forum. In my opinion there is a sense of fellowship on the K1600 forum but it is quite different from what we had on the LT Forum. On the LT Forum we shared a compassion to understand the LT. With John Z as our mentor, we learned about how it worked. One of the highlights of CCR was having John teach us how to actually do some wrenching ourselves. But the newer bikes, both K1600 and RT, are such electronic wonders that most of us cannot begin to comprehend how they work. It seems as if everything on these bikes is controlled by computer. The extent of my wrenching is changing the oil and taking off the Tupperware to change the air filter. I miss the time when we shared a relationship with our LT that simply is not possible with the new generation bikes. The LT Forum and CCR had a magic that was lost when the LT went out of production. Our challenge now is to find a new magic for CCR that will be appealing to K1600 and RT riders.

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I try to read every new post that comes up on the LT Forum and most on the K1600 Forum. In my opinion there is a sense of fellowship on the K1600 forum but it is quite different from what we had on the LT Forum. On the LT Forum we shared a compassion to understand the LT. With John Z as our mentor, we learned about how it worked. One of the highlights of CCR was having John teach us how to actually do some wrenching ourselves. But the newer bikes, both K1600 and RT, are such electronic wonders that most of us cannot begin to comprehend how they work. It seems as if everything on these bikes is controlled by computer. The extent of my wrenching is changing the oil and taking off the Tupperware to change the air filter. I miss the time when we shared a relationship with our LT that simply is not possible with the new generation bikes. The LT Forum and CCR had a magic that was lost when the LT went out of production. Our challenge now is to find a new magic for CCR that will be appealing to K1600 and RT riders.

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As a CCR BOD member and Officer we have been trying to find that "magic" , or "Secret Sauce" as some what say. We had a lot going for us back some 16 years ago, new bike with lots of buzz, internet was new and forums just starting with rider getting involved. We benefited greatly by having one leadership group that controlled both the forum and then building CCR from that root. Randy Prade has to be given credit for his efforts.
Much has changed, no longer a common group,many new forum's with forum's having segmented to a greater degree, K1200lt move to a older bike, the core participants have gotten older and in some cases "moved on".
Most organizations,CCR included have difficulty attaching new younger riders. Many Gen x and younger are not "joiners".
Locations and cost are another problem. Our town hall sessions indicated that participants wanted the CCR be geared toward a "premium" event. Hotel and food cost continue to raise in the post recession world. The CCR BOD has been challenged to maintain the CCR at resort locations and contain cost and still deliver a premier event. Unfortunately to maintain a premium event has required some change in what we deliver. We have tried to keep the registration increase as low as possible.
Finding a new more relevent brand identity is the challenge.
The CCR Bod is Open to any contruction ideas that will help is get some new "magic".
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As a CCR BOD member and Officer we have been trying to find that "magic" , or "Secret Sauce" as some what say. We had a lot going for us back some 16 years ago, new bike with lots of buzz, internet was new and forums just starting with rider getting involved. We benefited greatly by having one leadership group that controlled both the forum and then building CCR from that root. Randy Prade has to be given credit for his efforts.
Much has changed, no longer a common group,many new forum's with forum's having segmented to a greater degree, K1200lt move to a older bike, the core participants have gotten older and in some cases "moved on".
Most organizations,CCR included have difficulty attaching new younger riders. Many Gen x and younger are not "joiners".
Locations and cost are another problem. Our town hall sessions indicated that participants wanted the CCR be geared toward a "premium" event. Hotel and food cost continue to raise in the post recession world. The CCR BOD has been challenged to maintain the CCR at resort locations and contain cost and still deliver a premier event. Unfortunately to maintain a premium event has required some change in what we deliver. We have tried to keep the registration increase as low as possible.
Finding a new more relevent brand identity is the challenge.
The CCR Bod is Open to any contruction ideas that will help is get some new "magic".
There are previous CCR locations that I would like to go to (Grands Tetons, etc...)
Avoiding extreme Eastern or Western locations would be a plus. No way we could have attended Vermont, as an example, it would have been a long and boring ride from California on the slab...
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Now THIS Is A Great Commercial

This is one of the reasons Jan and I try to go to CCR every year. Sometimes the ride is long, but it's an experience like no other. Whether or not you have been to a CCR you should head out to Monterey this year. I assure you it will be an experience you will not regret.
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That was a great commercial and does hit home on why we ride and do what we do. Since 2005 Delta and I have been to all CCR's and have seen and done so many wonderful adventures along the way. We have never done anything in a car that even comes close to the trips, sights and excitement we have experienced on the motorcycle. While locations may seem distant from year to year, we find a way to make it to CCR and to enjoy all that we can. We ride together, I ride and she will fly, we have both flown once to CCR so no matter the location or the distance we have made some wonderful memories and will do so for many years to come. CCR will be around for a long time, the group can carry on for many years and it is those who keep the spirit alive that makes the adventures all the more exciting.

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I have been to 10 CCR's but I will not be attending this years event. It is simply to far away and I would need to take 2 weeks off or drive straight through going and coming. The location for this years event looks great but its difficult for the people living on the other side of the country to take that much time off from work. I have very much enjoyed going to CCR over the years but times have changed. I was at last years CCR in Coeur d' Alene and we enjoyed ourselves very much but it was sad to see how few attendees there were from years past. I don't have any answers or how to attract new attendees. I do hope the event does well this year.
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I have been to 10 CCR's but I will not be attending this years event. It is simply to far away and I would need to take 2 weeks off or drive straight through going and coming. The location for this years event looks great but its difficult for the people living on the other side of the country to take that much time off from work. I have very much enjoyed going to CCR over the years but times have changed. I was at last years CCR in Coeur d' Alene and we enjoyed ourselves very much but it was sad to see how few attendees there were from years past. I don't have any answers or how to attract new attendees. I do hope the event does well this year.
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Mr. Al, I appreciate your concern worry not the LT is fine and Hyper Pro gave me a new shock for free. Nice of them.
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I have been to 10 CCR's but I will not be attending this years event. It is simply to far away and I would need to take 2 weeks off or drive straight through going and coming. The location for this years event looks great but its difficult for the people living on the other side of the country to take that much time off from work. I have very much enjoyed going to CCR over the years but times have changed. I was at last years CCR in Coeur d' Alene and we enjoyed ourselves very much but it was sad to see how few attendees there were from years past. I don't have any answers or how to attract new attendees. I do hope the event does well this year.
I understand the long trips are hard to do in a week. But for 2017 would you ride say 1000 miles to attend CCR?? If so - you can be first to register for the 2017 event! I do remember the stories you told about your bike and I believe I saw you guys on the road as I was headed back to Georgia from Idaho. I do look forward to seeing you guys again!

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I understand the long trips are hard to do in a week. But for 2017 would you ride say 1000 miles to attend CCR?? If so - you can be first to register for the 2017 event! I do remember the stories you told about your bike and I believe I saw you guys on the road as I was headed back to Georgia from Idaho. I do look forward to seeing you guys again!

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Raymond where do you live in GA? I live in Blairsville.
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Ray, I'm in Narietta as well, near the square. Are you attending the Spring Training Camp at the Ironhorse.

As to the CCR, I have never been and kick myself for not attending the Chatanooga event. However, family commitments and distance always seem to get in the way. I've attended the STC and Fall Reunions for several years and enjoy the group that attends those, so I believe the CCR would be similar.

I would say that perhaps the CCR could set its sites beyond just the K1600 and RTs. Perhaps promoting more as a hotel "Rally" that appeals to Hotelers. I own a GSA and like to ride in the dirt but have no desire to sleep on it. I'm sure there are others like me but we keep a low profile in the GS community.

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There were at least a couple of GS Riders at the CCR in Coeur d'Alene last year!

Also, a couple Gold Wings & Harley Davidsons!

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I've been to 3 CCRs and have enjoyed each one very much. The limiting factor for me has always been vacation time -- time away from work. My wife and I both have fulltime jobs and this limits how much time can be spent getting to/from/at CCR.


Speaking of jobs -- my wife is a teacher and CCR occurs after her school year begins. She has not been to CCR and won't until she retires. Thus, the solo trip by me has to figure in to the mix. In other words, CCR has always been "just for me", and while every family dynamic is different, I would prefer to make that kind of vacation investment for both of us.


When I saw the CCR 2016 announcement my immediate reaction was "OMG this is our chance to ride to CA, see the PCH, etc." And I have relatives in northern CA and WA -- so another reason to do CCR this year. But again, I can't justify burning that much vacation time and $$$ on me alone.


I look forward to the day when my wife and I can roll in to CCR together!


PS: Has the CCR BoD ever considered advancing the date into the summer? I know there are historical reasons why the Labor Day weekend is it, but you could schedule it around Independence Day, for example.
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Distance can be a killer for a lot of attendees with limited vacation time available. My wife and I attended the Chattanooga CCR and I thoroughly enjoyed it, as well as the ride (she flew) from California. After CCR, I rode on to NC & VA, but once there, it sunk in to me that I also had to ride another 2,200 miles back. I have been intrigued with the idea of touring the New England states and either shipping my LT one-way and riding back, or ship round trip, or just renting a bike for a week.

Has anyone considered shipping their bike to CCR from back east? Perhaps this would be a good topic for a CCR seminar/forum.... I recently read up on a company that ships high value bikes from their hub in Pennsylvia to Las Vegas for around $500. Considering the cost of motels, food, gas, etc., and saved travel time, this might be something to consider if distance is an issue in attending CCRs on the opposite coast.
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I've been to 3 CCRs and have enjoyed each one very much. The limiting factor for me has always been vacation time -- time away from work. My wife and I both have fulltime jobs and this limits how much time can be spent getting to/from/at CCR.


Speaking of jobs -- my wife is a teacher and CCR occurs after her school year begins. She has not been to CCR and won't until she retires. Thus, the solo trip by me has to figure in to the mix. In other words, CCR has always been "just for me", and while every family dynamic is different, I would prefer to make that kind of vacation investment for both of us.


When I saw the CCR 2016 announcement my immediate reaction was "OMG this is our chance to ride to CA, see the PCH, etc." And I have relatives in northern CA and WA -- so another reason to do CCR this year. But again, I can't justify burning that much vacation time and $$$ on me alone.


I look forward to the day when my wife and I can roll in to CCR together!


PS: Has the CCR BoD ever considered advancing the date into the summer? I know there are historical reasons why the Labor Day weekend is it, but you could schedule it around Independence Day, for example.
I agree with Howard on reconsidering the dates. If we hope to attract younger riders it would help having it sooner. More than one person has said that having it after school starts is why they don't attend.

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My first CCR was 2008, in Midway. It was about a year after I got my LT, and I'd come to know MANY people on this forum, but hadn't met them in person.

Midway (perhaps because it was my first) was my favorite. Very well attended, and I got to meet so many people that I "already knew". Not sure of the attendance, seemed like at least 500.

Sadly, it seems attendance would drop each year. 2014 in Chattanooga was our last. Although it has been addressed, the "pressure to donate" had reached it's pinnacle, downright pissed me off so much that I was very angry when I left.

It made me feel as though the items I bought at the silent auction, and my traditional $100 to the 50/50 just weren't enough, because I refused to participate in the live auction for someone's left over pie, and other ridiculous items....

I really am a friendly, and outgoing person, but it seemed that CCR had become little sub-groups, and cliques. Instead of people having little parties here and there, where anyone was welcome to pause and join for a bit, you'd see the same groups of people firmly ensconced at "their" own tables.

Somewhere along the way, CCR had ceased to be a party with friendly people, where you could kick in a couple hundred dollars to charity if you wanted to, and I think that turned people off. Maybe permanently.

I hate to be a downer (I really m a positive, upbeat person - really), but I think that CCR has run its course.

But I really hope that my hunch is incorrect.
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My first CCR was 2008, in Midway. It was about a year after I got my LT, and I'd come to know MANY people on this forum, but hadn't met them in person.

Midway (perhaps because it was my first) was my favorite. Very well attended, and I got to meet so many people that I "already knew". Not sure of the attendance, seemed like at least 500.

Sadly, it seems attendance would drop each year. 2014 in Chattanooga was our last. Although it has been addressed, the "pressure to donate" had reached it's pinnacle, downright pissed me off so much that I was very angry when I left.

It made me feel as though the items I bought at the silent auction, and my traditional $100 to the 50/50 just weren't enough, because I refused to participate in the live auction for someone's left over pie, and other ridiculous items....

I really am a friendly, and outgoing person, but it seemed that CCR had become little sub-groups, and cliques. Instead of people having little parties here and there, where anyone was welcome to pause and join for a bit, you'd see the same groups of people firmly ensconced at "their" own tables.

Somewhere along the way, CCR had ceased to be a party with friendly people, where you could kick in a couple hundred dollars to charity if you wanted to, and I think that turned people off. Maybe permanently.

I hate to be a downer (I really m a positive, upbeat person - really), but I think that CCR has run its course.

But I really hope that my hunch is incorrect.
I was thinking it may be a good time to revive the West Coast Rendez-vous...
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Although it has been addressed, the "pressure to donate" had reached it's pinnacle, downright pissed me off so much that I was very angry when I left.

It made me feel as though the items I bought at the silent auction, and my traditional $100 to the 50/50 just weren't enough, because I refused to participate in the live auction for someone's left over pie, and other ridiculous items....
I agree that the pressure to donate to the charity got out of hand but it was addressed by the board of directors and last year at Coeur d'Alene the atmosphere was very different. If you wanted to donate to the charity there were opportunities to do so but no one felt pressure to do so. I commend the board for listening to concerns about this and making changes to address them.

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I was the chair in both Chattanooga and Cd'A. When we left Chattanooga, I had generally good feelings about the event but was embarrassed with the amount of arm twisting that attendees got put through. I let that get out of hand. We fixed that for Cd'A including eliminating the onerous 50/50 We changed the schedule a bit, boosted opportunities for people to mix including a junior high school style DJ sock hop, a very successful Wednesday breakfast, and real efforts to get veterans to sit with and meet newer attendees. We held a Town Hall to encourage attendees to give us honest feedback. . .and the overall evaluation of the '15 Reunion was that it was among the best ever. California will likely be more like the CCR's of the first three years. Smaller (probably fewer than 100), less program, smaller focus on the charity, and an emphasis on riding around the spectacular area. With reduced size, it is likely that the spirit of "reunion" will be underscored for '16. Even if the event permanently becomes a smaller one. . .60-80 attendees. . .the current BoD is planning on keeping the thing going for at least a few more years. And with a smaller attendance, smaller and more intimate venues will open to us. The doors aren't closing yet!

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I know, I know...people keeps recommending this one (CCR) and I really wanna go. But I gotta be back at work around Aug.18. They always have it too late in the Summer.
This post was on the K1600 forum. We really do need to reconsider the date. It seems like the late date is a problem for attracting new attendees.

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So - what would be a better or more likable date for CCR??

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The problem is life gets in the way. Wanted to go to Coeur d'alene last year but wife's job screwed that up. I'm retired but she still works and manages her workplace. She is to damn caring, loyal and wanting to do the right thing for this company which I admire but it also pisses me off because they take advantage of that quality in her.
We are wanting to retire out west somewhere and would like to visit different areas to find a potential retirement town. Coueur d'alene was one of those places but she could not get that week off due to a company move.

Monterey is not one of those places we want to retire, but renting a bike and riding the coast highway north to the Oregon state line then inland down to Lake Tahoe and back to San Francisco is on our bucket list. Again problem is I want her to take two weeks off so we could do CCR Monterey and then ride but she says they won't let her take off that long.

So I'm waiting for CCR, hopefully, next year to be held in my back yard. Just saying some great Bucks County and Pocono mountain riding plus plenty of history which means antique shops and we all know how much our ladies like antique shops.

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The problem is life gets in the way. Wanted to go to Coeur d'alene last year but wife's job screwed that up. Again problem is I want her to take two weeks off so we could do CCR Monterey and then ride but she says they won't let her take off that long.
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Perhaps you could try explaining to her the very real possibility of not physically being able to enjoy traveling together by the time she decides she can retire.

As a business owner I would most DEFINITELY allow such a valuable employee to go on a two week vacation, that is no time at all. Why would I risk loosing or making unhappy a key employee.

My wife was in the same situation (school principle secretary) telling me she could not take off during school so I went without her. Her boss got wind of this and told her to get on a plane a be with her husband.
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My wife is kind of like Norton's - she's been trying to join me in retirement for the last year. However, unlike Norton's, my wife doesn't want to ride (or drive) long distance (i.e., 200-300 miles), so she flies, I ride. For those in similar circumstances, try having her fly out, while you ride there or fly and rent a bike and spend more time touring as she flies back home. We've done this three times so far and may do it again this summer before CCR on another trip to Colorado.

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Thanks SmokinJoe and Dave, you both have valid points and good solutions for the problem.
The issue is the owner of her company she works for is a complete asshole which makes me wonder why she is so loyal. I think it is because the people she works with and supervises are really good people, which she has worked with for a very long time and are almost like family in some cases. She tries to keep things running smooth for them despite the owners lack of knowledge as to what really needs to be done as far as guidance and giving proper support to the employees. The owner is older , in poor health and completely out of touch.

Anyway enough of that, I nominate Dolylestown Pa. as the next site for CCR.

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I am pretty sure you will make it to CCR 2017, not that I know anything.....................

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I don't think any particular time just so long as it's earlier in the summer. Many people who work take off sometime in the summer for vacation and maybe they could make CCR their vacation. For Jan and me CCR has been our vacation for many years now. We are lucky because I can take vacation time off during late summer / early fall, but this is not the case for many, e.g. school teachers. It is important to continue announcing the location for the next CCR early like you do now because many of us are required to request time off several months in advance. It also helps to have it the same time every year.

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I really think the biggest reason for the low numbers of registered attendees is simply for 3 reasons. 2 Negative and 1 positive.

NEGATIVE ) The location is too far to those on the E coast and many others. When you need at least 4-5 days to ride each way to attend an event then spend 4-5 days at there that means you need at least 15 days off time. Not many people have that kind of time for a motorcycle club event. Now if CCRs were always held at a same location like STURGIS and became an "at least must be experienced once in a lifetime" kind of event, soon or later everybody will try to make special arrangements to attend and yearly registration numbers may be much higher and steadier.

NEGATIVE ) On March 15th 2016 I have purchased a 2016 GS Adventure from a dealership at 280 miles S of Monterey. CA... Then a week later I took it for 600 mile service to my local dealership at 68 miles N of Monterey. There was no promotion at all. The dealership I purchased my bike didn't even mentioned it even though I spend at least 6-7 hrs there during that day. Same at my servicing dealership.. 2 hrs sat there chit-chat with all employees, sales people but not a single soul asked if I will be attending the CCR this year since it is so closed.

At that time I didn't even know that Monterey was chosen for '16 CCR.
I found out about a week after that while I was on these boards.

Now, imagine if I were buying a brand new Harley in a Denver, CO dealership. Even though Sturgis is further away then my both dealership to their location and in a neighboring state rather than in their own state, won't you think the first question people will ask gonna be "so, I guess now you can attend Sturgis this year huh?" Plus there will be biggest brochures, posters promotions there. For CCR, nothing.


POSITIVE) But I believe the BIGGEST reason for this year's low number of registrations is something being very, very positive about the location.

Let me explain this; My home is 30 minutes and my work is 15 minutes away from Monterey, CA. I ride a GS and many days I take use it to commute. Even on a mid-week day, during my 20 minute commute I come across at least 10 BMW's of all kind. GLT, GS, RT, LT etc... It is like if there was a BMW gathering at somewhere close by. Since Monterey is very close to great riding routes at very close proximity like Big Sur and Carmel Valley routes at any weekend day you can stand by a roadside and count hundreds and hundreds of BMWs of all kind.

So, being this close proximity to huge numbers of BMW riders causing a lot of these people to relax and say "Oh well, I'll be there but no rush to do anything about it yet". I believe there will be hundreds and hundreds of last minute attendees.

I have to admit I am one of those lazy butts

Because since none of these riders need any kind of lodging in Monterey, even though they think they will attend for all or some off the events they don't feel any kind of rush to register.

If there was a survey with an option to check " I live close by and I am planning to attend but didn't register".. I bet that option will get the highest percentage... May be that is the right question to ask to determin what to expect for "16 CCR.

NOW, This is a VERY IMPORTANT WARNING to those in the CCR Board that at that time of the year, traffic in the area is horrific in and around Monterey, CA since it is a very attractive touristic town and most of the scenic roads around that area are single lane each direction!!!

I volunteered to meet any CCR organizing committee members and pre-ride the routes with them to show that it'll be a very hard and hair pulling results to arrange group rides on those roads for large numbers of bikes at that time of the year!

Just wanted to pre-warn...

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For what its worth, I'm chiming in here to put my 2 cents worth.
Since my first CCR in 2003, I have missed 2 years 09, and 13 (odd years I guess), I have ridden over 42,000 miles in getting to the event, and achieved riding the entire lower 48 states, coming and going. I have met and made friends from nearby, and far away, I have spent stupid money on stuff (I wear a $75 engineers hat from 2014), I have hauled wine home from Idaho, Georgia, Vermont, and other cities, and enjoyed every mile and day in doing so.

Last year I told Raymond, aka Bad Ray, that I was not going to ride to Monterey since Gail and I made the ride to the west coast back in 2011 on our way to Boise, and he kept telling me that "I had to go" and I kept saying ALL THE SAME THINGS THAT I'M READING HERE. Too far, not enough time, too costly, tired of being beat up over the charity giving, I'm getting too old to ride out to Monterey , and so on and so on. Now since they announced where CCR was going to be the first night, I and everybody had some time to reflect on this year, where as in previous years, we would learn on Friday night, say our goodbyes and head back home on Saturday. During those days in Couer d'Alene I had time to visit with old friends, meet some new people, and decided that WE HAD to attend another year, I even volunteered to head up registration for this year, but I still told Bad Ray, that we were not riding out, since our trip home last year was going to take us thru North Dakota our last of the lower 48 states that Gail, I and the trike had to ride in. Well low and behold, while stopped to take a picture in ND of a parked train, a Amtrak train flew by headed east like we were, bingo, a light went off, and I said we are going to Monterey via the train.

I registered for CCR as soon as Dan said we could, I booked a train from Cincinnati to Emeryville CA, I made plans to return home via the train, booked rooms, and have to say that Gail and I are pumped and looking forward to another adventure in going and returning from CCR, where we have made some wonderful friends and had some real good times, spent too much money, drank too many drinks, ate too much, and felt good about the amounts of money left behind by this GREAT GROUP of people, some newbies, and perennial old timers.

Hope to see ya there.
Larry & Gail

p.s. somebody remind me how too change my map of the US so I can color in OK and ND last of the 48
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Thanks Larry!

Now everyone should know what CCR is, what it means and how it has affected people over the years. CCR is more than a motorcycle gathering, it is an event and what you put in you get back over ten fold. So many negative things have been tossed about recently, yet Larry pointed out what is good, great and wonderful about CCR. We have traveled together, ridden many miles together, seen awesome sights, visited each other's home and are lifelong friends now. We met in Branson - "HEY! You going to CCR?" - "Yeah - are you?" POW - just like that, new friends. We too have spent crazy money, bought many things that we already own and have had memories from going the distance and finding the beautiful sights along the way. We have brought home over a thousand pictures from each trip as every moment was exciting and we wanted to capture and remember as much as possible. Just take some time, life is wonderful and the adventure has only just started. Catch the fever and experience what makes CCR a repeat performance.

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Too far for me and the time I have available to get there and back. West Coast is beautiful, but just too far for me.
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Consensus is that for '17 and beyond, we need to get the event in the center of the country. No contract for '17 has been signed. The Board of Directors is open to suggestions for sites. Sound off.

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Consensus is that for '17 and beyond, we need to get the event in the center of the country. No contract for '17 has been signed. The Board of Directors is open to suggestions for sites. Sound off.
Give us some ideas? Where? How far will you / can you ride? Resort and Spa? Motel 6 (just kidding), is there an area, a destination, a region that is on bucket lists? Tell us what you want and we will work on it!

We need.........................FEEDBACK!

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You mean that big flat part of the country that are called the fly over states for a reason.

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I believe that CCR has only been held in the Northeast one time since its inception (2010 Killington). Makes little sense to me since the NE has one of the highest concentrations of BMW owners in the USA, some fantastic sites and roads. I personally find the more intimate smaller CCR gatherings appealing vs the big ones. I have purposely stayed away from the large crowded events. Before you decide to centralize the event which to me would be a mistake because there are to many spectacular places to visit in the USA. Although it seems to have worked for Sturgis and Americade, I find those bloated commercialized events not to my liking and quite frankly if you go once why would you go back, been there done that. CCR's format provides new venues, roads ,culture, sites and scenery every year.

There is no easy answer. CCR seems to have done a good job of defining their goals and should stick to them. CCR should stay focused on the touring style of riders, gathering for intelligent camaraderie and discourse in different nationwide locations.
That appeals to me and I would guess many others. I will get to a CCR event someday. Also you do not want to attract the none motorcyclist to this event. As stated before staying small and intimate is very appealing to me.

Hats off to the organizers of the event. I have been on enough committees and involved in charitable events to appreciate the hard works you guys and gals put in, keep up the good work.

Thank you.
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