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well this sure doesn't fit anywhere else!!

I have an LT with a small tank bag and am thinking i would like to carry a small pistol of some sort.

does anyone carry on their bike? what do you carry? where do you carry it?

any thoughts?

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see similar threads below.... glad we don't require that mentality out here in OZ though.

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Depends on where I'm going. Commuting to work or around town I keep a .380 in my Teiz Suit pocket and a .45 in the trunk. If it's over 100 miles I will carry the .45 with a Galco over the shoulder holster under my suit. Just did a 10 hour 550 mile ride and couldn't even tell it was there.
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Google is your friend. Search and read. Many good choices. Goldielocks size not too big, not too small such as S&W Shield, and Ruger LC9. Good for pocket holsters and tank bags. Many others. Plenty of reviews on You tube too.

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I've been searching here and there. found good information. just wondering if there was something that "stuck out" amongst LT and other owners.

one time i was trying to sell a parrot i had. i could not find a buyer. was at the license bureau one day, and sort of jokingly asked the person i was talking with if she was interested in a parrot. the guy behind me, said he was.

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Anything stainless. Taurus makes a nice little 22 magnum revolver but it holds too many rounds to carry it through New York. Wouldn't get too fancy with something you'll put in a tank bag. For what it's worth, mine is in the trunk if it's not on my person. You're not going to shoot while the bike's moving anyway unless you want to crash. That's TV crappola. Your ABS is your best friend if you're being bothered while moving.


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Interesting. I was just talking at lunch today with a colleague about his experience riding home to Vermont recently on Skyline Drive in Virginia. He was stopped by a cop for speeding. The first thing the cop said was "keep your hands on the tank - are you carrying any weapons?". Friend said "of course not" and the cop said, " Well, most bikers we run into are carrying". Is that true?

...and if true, how many have had occasion to actually get it out and confront someone with it?

I have thought about carrying pepper spray or a "blunt instrument" on my long distance rides but never have. Am I being naive?

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Springfield XDS (.45 cal.) in jacket pocket. It is one of the smallest .45's you can carry and it has very manageable recoil. Had carried a .38 derringer in the tank box but I haven't found a good place to carry one on the K1600 yet.
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Taurus P111 9mm. It is within my reach 24/7 Off the bike it is in a Pistol Pack with my wallet & a few other things. On the bike depends & where I am going & If I have the top case or side bags on the bike.

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Interesting. I was just talking at lunch today with a colleague about his experience riding home to Vermont recently on Skyline Drive in Virginia. He was stopped by a cop for speeding. The first thing the cop said was "keep your hands on the tank - are you carrying any weapons?". Friend said "of course not" and the cop said, " Well, most bikers we run into are carrying". Is that true?

...and if true, how many have had occasion to actually get it out and confront someone with it?

I have thought about carrying pepper spray or a "blunt instrument" on my long distance rides but never have. Am I being naive?
I wouldn't say "most" bikers carry but certainly a higher percentage than that of your average Walmart shopper. In response to your inquiry, three times for me over about thirty years. All within a couple miles of home. In my case I was assaulted with a paintball gun (night-time with multiple suspects), a pellet pistol (night-time with multiple suspects), and multiple suspects on foot from a vehicle (night-time). There's a pattern there if you look closely. Didn't need to shoot anyone, but was very nice to have the weapon and rapidly diffuse the A-holes.


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wow. that's something to make one nervous.

but leads me to ask: what were you doing out after dark? you should be in your house where you're protected by 4 walls (just kidding!!!)

good thing it just made them "go away". someone in another forum said today: point at their "nads". they get the strangest look on their face.

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Seriously and I know that this fetish is a American thing, and that the rest of the world doesn't get it, but the only gun on a BMW that makes sense is this, everything else is simply not enough overkill.
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"Seriously and I know that this fetish is a American thing, " You are correct it only exists here in the USA"
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Seriously and I know that this fetish is a American thing, and that the rest of the world doesn't get it, but the only gun on a BMW that makes sense is this, everything else is simply not enough overkill.
If you choose not to carry, or don't have the freedom to do it, then don't. A reading of American history will tell you why many law-abiding citizens choose to exercise this right.

The original poster was asking for suggestions based on others' experience. It was only a matter of time before his thread was derailed; it always seems to go that way.

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On my K1600GTL, my Ruger .380 LCP fits in the little cubby on the left side of the bike. On my former LT, I pocket holster carried it in a cargo pocket of my Kevlar lined and CE protected riding pants. And, no, I don't worry about it attacking and hurting me in a get-off.

My sawed-off shotgun and AR-15 sit in a specially built gun rack that sits on my top case. As far as the grenades go, I don't usually carry them due to their weight and taking up room better used for my 1000s of rounds of ammo.

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"Seriously and I know that this fetish is a American thing, " You are correct it only exists here in the USA"
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I'm sorry I did not want to derail the thread, it's just something about carrying a weapon on a motorbike, it falls in the same category as Americans bitching about petrol (sorry gas) prices, for us €uropeans it's like running your fingernails over a blackboard, but you are correct it was a ass move on my part.

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Glock 19 in my "Manbag" in one of the panniers.

Since it is next to impossible to shoot anything while riding and you don't want a gitoff and land on the damn thing I decided i only need it when I get off the bike like a Gas Station, Rest Stop, Starbucks,etc and chances are I will want to take my coat off at some of these locations and don't want the Glock staring folks in the face.

So my "Manpurse" comes in very handy in this situation. It holds all my Credit Cards, ID, Concealed Permit, cash, Glock and anything else I deem important.

As far as carrying and the good Old USA, HELL YA!

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I'm sorry I did not want to derail the thread, it's just something about carrying a weapon on a motorbike, it falls in the same category as Americans bitching about petrol (sorry gas) prices, for us €uropeans it's like running your fingernails over a blackboard, but you are correct it was a ass move on my part.
I hear you. Of course, I have to fan the flames by posting a reply. I just can't resist. I don't like letting some things go unanswered.

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On my K1600GTL, my Ruger .380 LCP fits in the little cubby on the left side of the bike. On my former LT, I pocket holster carried it in a cargo pocket of my Kevlar lined and CE protected riding pants. And, no, I don't worry about it attacking and hurting me in a get-off.

My sawed-off shotgun and AR-15 sit in a specially built gun rack that sits on my top case. As far as the grenades go, I don't usually carry them due to their weight and taking up room better used for my 1000s of rounds of ammo.
I assume you pack heavy when you anticipate heavy traffic. Do you go with heat-seeking missiles or laser-guided? I find that the older-technology Sidewinders are more affordable, and they mount up to the tipover wings without too much modification. The only issue is keeping your feet out of the way when they are launched. Talk about heat!

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don't carry anything that doesn't start with at least a "4". 40, 41, 44, 45, 410, 500....


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I assume you pack heavy when you anticipate heavy traffic. Do you go with heat-seeking missiles or laser-guided? I find that the older-technology Sidewinders are more affordable, and they mount up to the tipover wings without too much modification. The only issue is keeping your feet out of the way when they are launched. Talk about heat!

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Thanks for the ideas. You've given me a way to deal with left-laners.

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well this sure doesn't fit anywhere else!!

I have an LT with a small tank bag and am thinking i would like to carry a small pistol of some sort.

does anyone carry on their bike? what do you carry? where do you carry it?

any thoughts?
S&W model 642, 38spl+p or Springfield xds 45acp in touring pants pocket. Or the S&W in a shoulder holster under my jacket. Can be drawn left or right handed.
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Kimber Solo: not much larger than the Ruger LCP, but 9mm+P 124 gr bullet. Lots of umph in a small package. Trigger pull is like a 1911 and has a thumb safety. Very accurate up to 20 yards in my hands, more in an experts hands. Only down side is the price, but a very high quality, well made self defense weapon.

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I don't carry but have considered it from time to time. I tend toward 9mm. For me .357, .44 or .45 are good in large frame but not my choice for small frame. I suggest you go somewhere and try out (fire) several small frame guns of varying calibers, and make a choice based on your experience.

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As an ex NAFTA/CPI instructor I stick with my old 1911 45ACP - if I cant shoot you with the dammed thing I can hit you with it or throw it at you
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That's a good idea. I'll talk with one shop that has an Indoor range. There's another indoor range near me. I'll find it.

As a leftie I throw and shoot right handed. Throwing a derringer is illogical. Throwing 357 magnum....Now that makes sense.

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My thoughts:

A firearm is like a parachute, if you need one, you'll need it right then and there.
One you are comfortable and familiar with it would not be the time to go looking for the safety or tying to remember how to operate it when needed. Practice with it so you can use it effectively. Clean it periodically, might not work when you need it if plugged with lint.
Carry it on your person should you get separated from your bike, you'll still have it. Carry it in a good holster that will make it easy to access and comfortable for you.
Be knowledgeable about firearm laws they do differ between states. Some states limit the type of ammunition, magazine capacity, places you can and cannot carry.
Be ready to accept the responsibility of the capability of ending someone's life instantly.
A firearm is like a motorcycle, you get what you pay for, don't go cheap. For something that you will depend on to save your life, get the best you can afford.

My summer carry is a Ruger SP101 in an inside the waistband holster. Carry 2 reloads. Winter carry, when I wear more clothes, is a Glock 23. Always have it on my person and if traveling sometimes carry a second one somewhere.

When I ride somewhere, I carry a cell phone, some cash, basic tools and a pistol, in the event none of the the others work.

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A firearm is like a parachute, if you need one, you'll need it right then and there.
Good point - and to the OP question of where to carry, it boils down to two choices:
- On the bike
- On your person

On your person - gives you best response capability, but if you are riding through California or some such place, that may not be an option.

A shoulder holster has been most comfortable for me, but perhaps something stitched into the jacket might be a good alternative. Has anyone done something like that?


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I'm a bit (a bit?) overweight. a side arm would have to be attached to a belt-and that's fine. but i could not use a belt clip, because it would easily come out. also, i can't swing my leg over from left or right because of hip arthritis.

this leaves (me) a few options.

on the person:
1 right jeans pocket (uncomfortable when riding.)
2 an exposed shoulder holster (too visible with out being covererd and i ride short distances without a coat here in the south)

in my tank bag (7" x 7") - limits the weapon
in my side bag or rear trunk ( a lot of work to get to it)

or i could have a holster made to fit on the right side of the tupperware!!!

any thoughts anyone?

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Checkout www.crossbreedholsters.com and see if they have something that will be comfortable for you. Having the gun on you is better than having it on the bike. I live in IL and we still don't have CCW. But I usually put my wallet and cellphone in the glovebox when I had the LT. The night I got hit in 2005 I happened to have both on me. After I stopped rolling and saw my leg was broke, I was able to call my wife and tell her what happened. This was easier on her than if she got the call from the hospital or police. Having your gun on you means it's less likely to be stolen from your bike.

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thanks for your thoughts.

well jeff sorry to hear of you being hit (looks like twice!) hope you're recovered.

good thinking. i believe i'll change my logic and think about a carry piece. i like the holsters on that site.

still need to go to the range and try a couple of revolvers and semi's. then i need to consider where to carry.

again thanks.

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I recovered from the '05 accident and bought the '05 LT, then the '07 RT. The accident in '08 I was hit by a car as I went through the intersection. He caught me at the left saddlebag. One of my classmates was behind me and told my lab partner that I flew through the air and hit a sign. When I landed my spine shifted at T-2 & T-3. This pinched my spinal cord paralyzing me from my chest on down. I have limited use of my left arm. If I could afford therapy things would be better but I'm on Social Security and Medicare. When I got hit I had a Blue Cross/Blue Shield HMO which ended June 2012. The HMO gave me a limited amount of therapy and none of it was designed to get me to walk. One therapist put me in a machine that helped me to stand up. Because of my injury and that I hadn't stood up since just before my accident, I could barely breath and had to be sat back down. She stood me up again and I could only handle it for a minute. If I ever come into money I want to go to www.nextstepschicago.org. I talked to someone who went there and his injury was at C-6 & C-7. The last video I saw of him he could stand up on his own but someone would catch him because he can't balance himself yet. The most recent "vehicle" listed is an electric wheelchair. I miss riding so much that I'll watch test rides on YuTube.

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A semi-auto pistol is thinner than a revolver and you can have more rounds. I suggest a Glock or one of the Springfield Armory xD's because they won't fire UNLESS you pull the trigger and there is no outside safety to flip to "off". I have a friend who was a Fed and he has a Glock for that very reason. If you HAVE to use it you won't lose a precious second or two trying to make it work with your adrenaline pumping through you. You can get a KAHR PM9 or PM40 w/o an external safety, also. I have a PM9 and it's pretty small and accurate. It holds 6 or 7+1 depending which magazine you use. Just a thought.

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I'm a bit (a bit?) overweight. a side arm would have to be attached to a belt-and that's fine. but i could not use a belt clip, because it would easily come out. also, i can't swing my leg over from left or right because of hip arthritis.

this leaves (me) a few options.

on the person:
1 right jeans pocket (uncomfortable when riding.)
2 an exposed shoulder holster (too visible with out being covererd and i ride short distances without a coat here in the south)

in my tank bag (7" x 7") - limits the weapon
in my side bag or rear trunk ( a lot of work to get to it)

or i could have a holster made to fit on the right side of the tupperware!!!

any thoughts anyone?

The LC9 in a pocket holster. It fits real nice in your jeans pocket or ridding pants or even shorts if it has decent size pockets. It is a great choice so is the Shield almost identical size. Also fits perfect in the bottom compartment of the RKA tank bag. Some will complain about the included safety features but I like them.

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... or i could have a holster made to fit on the right side of the tupperware!!!

any thoughts anyone?
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Good point - and to the OP question of where to carry, it boils down to two choices:
- On the bike
- On your person

On your person - gives you best response capability, but if you are riding through California or some such place, that may not be an option.

A shoulder holster has been most comfortable for me, but perhaps something stitched into the jacket might be a good alternative. Has anyone done something like that?


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I would like very much to use a shoulder holster, but what do you do when you get to a destination and take off your jacket? I don't want to be seen handling a firearm in the open, putting it in my pocket, taking off the holster, etc.; it needs to be more discreet.

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that's a beautiful set up. that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

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I would like very much to use a shoulder holster, but what do you do when you get to a destination and take off your jacket? I don't want to be seen handling a firearm in the open, putting it in my pocket, taking off the holster, etc.; it needs to be more discreet.
Have you considered the concealed carry undershirts? Performance base layers with a holster pocket built in. 5.11 Tactical and maybe even UA has one.

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I saw this in another thread either here or over at BMWMOA so if it is repetitive just ignore, my memory is slipping.
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Kahr CW 40. Carried at 2:00 in appropriate holster, or Glock 22, carried at 4:00 in appropriate holster. Both work. And it did give me piece of mind while riding to and from Colorado with my daughter on the back.
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i'm leaning toward S&W 6 series 357/.38. depending on what i can find. my local dealers have few guns and many are used.

suggestions on how i can find the weapon of choice in today's market? am i missing something not being able to find them?

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I rarely go anywhere unarmed (goes with my job, I'm a motorcop).

Colonel Jeff Cooper taught that "The first rule of gunfighting is BRING ENOUGH GUN."

He also taught that if you MUST buy a tiny pistol (.22, .25, .32), don't buy any ammunition. If you buy ammunition, you'll be tempted to load it. And if you load it, you'll be tempted to carry it. And if you carry it, you may be tempted to try to use it to defend yourself, instead of running away and hoping that your attacker only has a .22, .25 or .32 . . .

If your ONLY option is a subcaliber pistol, 1), practice until you can hit a 2" circle at 10 feet, 2), don't shoot from any greater distance than 6 feet, 3), if you can run, don't shoot at all, and 4), if you have no other choice, keep the gun hidden, then surprise your attacker, put your shots right into the Adam's apple, then DISENGAGE and RUN.

All of the above said, the minimum pistol that I would suggest for what you want to do is a Walther PPK in .380ACP, and stainless steel. Check your local gun shops and gunbroker.com. There's some .380 ammo which is supposed to be great for defense.

Myself, I work for an agency which has standardized on the .40 S&W. I got this opened to the 10mm Auto, which is the same bullet but a full-sized cartridge, not the "Short & Weak."

The bottom line, however, is to carry what you can HIT with. If you can't reliably hit with any particular gun, DON'T CARRY IT. Practice, practice, practice!

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Rule #1 in a gun fight. Have a gun.

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A firearm is like a parachute, if you need one, you'll need it right then and there.
One you are comfortable and familiar with it would not be the time to go looking for the safety or tying to remember how to operate it when needed. Practice with it so you can use it effectively. Clean it periodically, might not work when you need it if plugged with lint.
Carry it on your person should you get separated from your bike, you'll still have it. Carry it in a good holster that will make it easy to access and comfortable for you.
Be knowledgeable about firearm laws they do differ between states. Some states limit the type of ammunition, magazine capacity, places you can and cannot carry.
Be ready to accept the responsibility of the capability of ending someone's life instantly.
A firearm is like a motorcycle, you get what you pay for, don't go cheap. For something that you will depend on to save your life, get the best you can afford.

My summer carry is a Ruger SP101 in an inside the waistband holster. Carry 2 reloads. Winter carry, when I wear more clothes, is a Glock 23. Always have it on my person and if traveling sometimes carry a second one somewhere.

When I ride somewhere, I carry a cell phone, some cash, basic tools and a pist, in the event none of the the others work.
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2002 I was involved with an on duty shooting. I shot a person 4 times in defending an officer's life. Remember when you carry a weapon and plan on using it, there is no shoot to wound, you are shooting to defend your life and/or someone else's. You really have to think within yourself if you could pull the trigger. I remember for years if I was put the test could I pull the trigger, I was tested in 2002. Thank the God that I had military and police training and never remember pulling my weapon out of the holster. Tunnel vison unbelievable. It was over by the time it started. I have read some good advice on this post. Pratice is one and mine is really know the law on when you can defend yourself. After the shooting, there was media wanting interviews. I belong to a union and that was all covered. Legal was provided at no cost from my union. It is not just a right to carry, but a hugh hugh responsiblites. If you are involvded in such an event it will be with you the rest of your life. Just something to think about.................

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...It is not just a right to carry, but a huge huge responsibility. If you are involved in such an event it will be with you the rest of your life. Just something to think about.................
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