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Who carries when they ride?

What do you carry?

How do you carry?

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Here we go again. Short simple lead in that creates chaos.
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Derringer that fits in the oddment (?) box in front of the cassette player or .40 in riding jacket pocket (usually the upper chest one). And why, why not?
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Maybe start here:

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Because when I carry a policeman on the back, there is no room for my tent.

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Look guys relax. NO larceny in my heart here! I just got my Concealed permit primarliy so when I am out on the road, I have some protection. Heer out in the Wild, Wild West of Washington State it is not much of ride before you are in some fairly remote rural areas in a hurry. (You guys saw Deliverance! )

Or a cross country trek presents self defense issues too. I am not looking for trouble. I took a firearm safety course, but I am also not nieve and there are BAD elements out there and seems a certain heightened vulnerability exists when a MC is your mode of travel. Also got critters when you camp and Meth heads at the rest stop!

And I am going to carry for the same reason a dog can lick himself!

Because HE CAN!

I am trying to figure out the best way to wear a firearm when riding.

IWB, OWB, Shoulder holster?, Doesn't seem like having it locked away is a good option.

But falling off the steed onto a pistol sounds troublesome too!

Just lookin' for suggsestions wfrom those with experience!

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Maybe start here:

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I'm sure there are a few more....
Thanks, interesting thread.

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The European thought on this matter and Slammer dropped his jaw on the table, why for god's sake would anybody want a gun on a bike? Do you need a tail gunner perhaps? Ride a BMW riding fortress? Protection? From what? Messerschmitt's, Cthulhu, Werewolves, Vampires, very, very bad men?
Really sorry to offend but worrying where to mount a gun on a bike, well maybe you need something like this for that touch of overkill.
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The European thought on this matter and Slammer dropped his jaw on the table, why for god's sake would anybody want a gun on a bike? Do you need a tail gunner perhaps? Ride a BMW riding fortress? Protection? From what? Messerschmitt's, Cthulhu, Werewolves, Vampires, very, very bad men?
Really sorry to offend but worrying where to mount a gun on a bike, well maybe you need something like this for that touch of overkill.
Good god man, I am not mounting the gun on the bike. Must be a language thing here.

I am looking to find the best way to carry it on my person while riding and traveling for personal protection.

And yes, there are bad men (and some badass women) out there!

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I have a few guns (pistols, revolvers, and long guns). I have a Ruger .380 ACP for concealed carry, but I'm moving up to a Ruger LCR .357 Magnum, if and when I can find one. Like ammo and other desirable guns, everywhere they sell them they're sold out. Anyone have a source?

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Why don't you carry?
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I carry a S&W M&P Shield 9mm IWB using a Old Faithful holster.
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After a bit further study, now I am thinking a Glock 26 Gen 4. A bit smaller, easier to conceal.

Still 9MM, any opinions?

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this is my carry permit weapon....light, small, goes bang bang....not a bad price and i really like the high-vis sight on the front....it would fit in any jacket pocket....not really sure where you could carry one that wouldnt leave a mark on you if you fall
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Good god man, I am not mounting the gun on the bike. Must be a language thing here.

I am looking to find the best way to carry it on my person while riding and traveling for personal protection.

And yes, there are bad men (and some badass women) out there!
Thanks for the measured response, I did go over the top and it was not my intention, this is my baby...



....just to let you know that it was not a "gun" thingy, it is just that biking is fun or a way of life, or in my case my sexual orientation, for the life of me I can not even remotely imagine a situation where I need to worry about carrying a firearm.
Actually that is not quite true, I do sling it over my back when I go to the range, no other way to carry it on Iron Pig.
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Thanks for the measured response, I did go over the top and it was not my intention, this is my baby...



....just to let you know that it was not a "gun" thingy, it is just that biking is fun or a way of life, or in my case my sexual orientation, for the life of me I can not even remotely imagine a situation where I need to worry about carrying a firearm.
Actually that is not quite true, I do sling it over my back when I go to the range, no other way to carry it on Iron Pig.
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A guy about my age stopped at a rest area in Eastern Washington a few years ago.

Some goofballs beat him to death, I assume after he relieved himself.

He mistakenly thought the sameway you do!

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A jokester in every crowd! 23 million folks out of work including millions of comedians and you're TRYING to be funny.

A guy about my age stopped at a rest area in Eastern Washington a few years ago.

Some goofballs beat him to death, I assume after he relieved himself.

He mistakenly thought the sameway you do!

That ain't gonna be me!
Again, sorry, twas not intended as a jab, mebbe a cultural thing, here there is just no way, literally no way a person can get a carry permit unless that person is a diplomat for instance.
Even though CH is a special place regarding firearms, third in the world on ownership after the US and I think Jemen.
Crime happens here too, violent crime, the perps being for most part Moroccan-French, Algerians and former Yugoslavians. People from these countries are not allowed to own firearms regardless of their citizens permit status. But something like you describe would be on the nation wide news and on the front page of the newspapers.

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The reason I carry my firearm on my person while riding is that taking it out of the trunk and strapping it on in public tends to draw attention to me. So it's always concealed on my person when I leave the house.


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The reason I carry my firearm on my person while riding is that taking it out of the trunk and strapping it on in public tends to draw attention to me. So it's always concealed on my person when I leave the house.

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Again, sorry, twas not intended as a jab, mebbe a cultural thing, here there is just no way, literally no way a person can get a carry permit unless that person is a diplomat for instance.
Even though CH is a special place regarding firearms, third in the world on ownership after the US and I think Jemen.
Crime happens here too, violent crime, the perps being for most part Moroccan-French, Algerians and former Yugoslavians. People from these countries are not allowed to own firearms regardless of their citizens permit status. But something like you describe would be on the nation wide news and on the front page of the newspapers.
I took a firearm safety class. Wnet to range and shot with an instructor and will do a lot more training. I also applied for a Concealed Pistol Permit that normally takes a month.

I am squeaky clean, had it in a week and a 1/2!

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I took a firearm safety class. Wnet to range and shot with an instructor and will do a lot more training. I also applied for a Concealed Pistol Permit that normally takes a month.

I am squeaky clean, had it in a week and a 1/2!
Firearm certificate, obligatory, at least one year membership in a club with mandatory attendance and recorded in your shootingbook, four day course, then a test by state registered firearm tester.
No criminal record, no history of mental illness, not even traffic violations, (if you can't be trusted with a car...!)
You can only own up to five arms and they must be the kind that your club is registered to fire.
Oh and in the test (written and oral) you are asked your reason for wanting a fire arm, any answer other than "sportive shooting" and you will never, ever own a fire arm.
However that is for ownership of non Swiss built arms, the SIG, like mine and other Swiss military arms: "here is your gun don't do stupid with it." CH has a militia and after service of 14 days every year until your are 35 you are allowed to take your rifle home with you.
You can't have ammo at home and must store it at the club, you can buy blackpowder but must sign a document that you do not intend to cause explosions with it.

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this is my carry permit weapon....light, small, goes bang bang....not a bad price and i really like the high-vis sight on the front....it would fit in any jacket pocket....not really sure where you could carry one that wouldnt leave a mark on you if you fall
http://www.impactguns.com/taurus-pro...327609698.aspx
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Firearm certificate, obligatory, at least one year membership in a club with mandatory attendance and recorded in your shootingbook, four day course, then a test by state registered firearm tester.
No criminal record, no history of mental illness, not even traffic violations, (if you can't be trusted with a car...!)
You can only own up to five arms and they must be the kind that your club is registered to fire.
Oh and in the test (written and oral) you are asked your reason for wanting a fire arm, any answer other than "sportive shooting" and you will never, ever own a fire arm.
However that is for ownership of non Swiss built arms, the SIG, like mine and other Swiss military arms: "here is your gun don't do stupid with it." CH has a militia and after service of 14 days every year until your are 35 you are allowed to take your rifle home with you.
You can't have ammo at home and must store it at the club, you can buy blackpowder but must sign a document that you do not intend to cause explosions with it.
Well, this is America, a Republic. We have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. At least for a little while longer.

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You have to forgive Slammer hes from a country that didnt stand with us against the Nazis, so if Hitler doesnt get them excited what on earth could?

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I am trying to figure out the best way to wear a firearm when riding.

IWB, OWB, Shoulder holster?, Doesn't seem like having it locked away is a good option.

But falling off the steed onto a pistol sounds troublesome too!

Just lookin' for suggsestions wfrom those with experience!

Just like every carry situation, on-person carry is the best from a tactical perspective.
Style of holster may be influenced on where you are riding to. If going to a RTE or a destination, consider how you will continue to conceal when you're off the bike. If you will wear your riding jacket the whole time when off the bike, then a shoulder rig or OWB works. If you doff your riding jacket then IWB might be easier to work with.

I've also done boot carry and fanny pack (yes, I said it). Different situations call for different approaches. Just like motorcycles or models of handguns, there is no one-size-fits-all.

Don't worry about ability to present while riding. That's just not going to work out. Other than open-carry, there will always be a disadvantage to any style of concealed carry.
As you mentioned, you should consider what may happen if you have a get-off while strapped. Having a get-off is much more likely than ever needing to use lethal force for the average person.

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Dave is right. Attempting to point a weapon at someone while riding is just plain stupid. It's a movie fantasy. Don't even consider it. Hell, I can barely get a drink of water without killing myself. Your best defense on your cycle in a deadly force situation is your ABS. Remember, CC is to protect yourself or others close to you. Also remember that anyone stupid enough to pull up along side me and point a weapon will see just how fast my truck can change lanes. Besides, 85 percent of you guys are right handed. Think about it.


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Just like every carry situation, on-person carry is the best from a tactical perspective.
Style of holster may be influenced on where you are riding to. If going to a RTE or a destination, consider how you will continue to conceal when you're off the bike. If you will wear your riding jacket the whole time when off the bike, then a shoulder rig or OWB works. If you doff your riding jacket then IWB might be easier to work with.

I've also done boot carry and fanny pack (yes, I said it). Different situations call for different approaches. Just like motorcycles or models of handguns, there is no one-size-fits-all.

Don't worry about ability to present while riding. That's just not going to work out. Other than open-carry, there will always be a disadvantage to any style of concealed carry.
As you mentioned, you should consider what may happen if you have a get-off while strapped. Having a get-off is much more likely than ever needing to use lethal force for the average person.
The attached photo shows one option. It should help with drawing the weapon while underway.

On a more serious note - the phrase I highlighted above is what's been on my mind, and since I haven't figured it out I carry in the tank bag or the trunk - not real useful in a get-off or in the event I need it right now.

I've always thought a shoulder rig makes the most sense, but when you stop and take your jacket off, voila - no more concealed carry. Same thing with OWB. IWB sounds uncomfortable 100% of the time, riding or not. I have carried in the outer pocket of my jacket or pants but that shows very easily. Maybe fanny pack is the way to go; I have room beneath the jacket for that.
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There's no easy answer for carrying while riding. I agree that taking it out of a saddlebag and putting it on your person may draw unwanted attention, but I think realistically, it's the best choice. You can have it already holstered in say, an inside the pants holster and just slip it inside your belt under your jacket in one motion.

Let's face it, you're not going to draw and fire while riding. If you think you can, you're fooling yourself and maybe just talking tough on an internet forum. Don't forget, especially in the US of A, you are criminally and civilly responsible for where all your bullets end up. Unintended stray rounds can ruin your life. You wouldn't want them to find the soccer mom a 1/4 mile away driving her kids to practice.

And, falling off your bike and landing on your weapon that is either strapped to your shoulder or hip can disable you for life. Just think how many more times likely we all are to crash than we are likely to get into a shoot-out while moving. I have never heard of that even once.

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Just like every carry situation, on-person carry is the best from a tactical perspective.
Style of holster may be influenced on where you are riding to. If going to a RTE or a destination, consider how you will continue to conceal when you're off the bike. If you will wear your riding jacket the whole time when off the bike, then a shoulder rig or OWB works. If you doff your riding jacket then IWB might be easier to work with.

I've also done boot carry and fanny pack (yes, I said it). Different situations call for different approaches. Just like motorcycles or models of handguns, there is no one-size-fits-all.

Don't worry about ability to present while riding. That's just not going to work out. Other than open-carry, there will always be a disadvantage to any style of concealed carry.
As you mentioned, you should consider what may happen if you have a get-off while strapped. Having a get-off is much more likely than ever needing to use lethal force for the average person.
Thanks, you hit all the points I have been considering!

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And, falling off your bike and landing on your weapon that is either strapped to your shoulder or hip can disable you for life. .
Any time you come off the bike when moving carrying or not presents the possibility of disabling you for life.

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I carry a S&W M&P Shield 9mm IWB using a Old Faithful holster.
Because I CAN!


S&W hit the bullseye with the M&P series. We had switched to the .40 cal M&P (from that awful 4003) 2 years before I retired. Because of the number of years of service I got to keep it. A bit large for concealed carry but a sweet pistol. Our rangemaster who was a big Glock advocate even made the comment that S&W had "out-Glocked Glock".

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...here there is just no way, literally no way a person can get a carry permit unless that person is a diplomat for instance.
Can you explain to me why a diplomat's life is more precious than yours or your family's?

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EGO?

Of course our dumbass legislators and El Presidente' think the same thing and for the same reason.

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Can you explain to me why a diplomat's life is more precious than yours or your family's?
This is a actual question when you take your test.
The correct answer is that a politician or a diplomat, or a top manager or a person in the "limelight" etc. is more likely to become a target than your are, hence they have the greater need.

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This is a actual question when you take your test.
The correct answer is that a politician or a diplomat, or a top manager or a person in the "limelight" etc. is more likely to become a target than your are, hence they have the greater need.
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Found it, in English to boot

Section 19
Acquisition and possession of guns or ammunition and carrying of guns by persons in danger

(1) The need to acquire and possess weapons or ammunition shall be recognized for persons who can credibly demonstrate that

1. they are at greater risk of attack on life or limb than the general public, and

2. acquiring a gun and ammunition is appropriate and necessary to reduce this risk.

(2)The need to carry a gun shall be recognized for persons who can credibly demonstrate that the conditions referred to in subsection 1 also apply outside their own home, business premises or enclosed property.


And if you as Americans want a laugh, here is the complete firearm law.
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/en...ffg/index.html

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Winter carry, Glock 23. Summer Ruger SP101. IWB. Always with me, no need to get back to the bike and find it. Yes, IWB can be uncomfortable but if you get a good one, position it right, you get used to it and it becomes natural.

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Two choices for me, a Sig Sauer P238, .380 ACP, about the size of a wallet. It fits nicely in the inside pocket of most motorcycle jackets, left side with a zipper. So small you don't know it's there. Best of all neither does anyone else. Second choice, a Glock 19 in a Blackhawk Serpa holster. It has a lock which engages the trigger guard for retention. Easy to use, and easy to release, almost foolproof. Worst part, its not that concealable. It sticks out slightly with a waist length jacket

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I carry a double barrel shot gun. Fire off two shots in the air to scare off the dude.

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Now that is some funny shit right there!!!!


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Now that is some funny shit right there!!!!


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Any time you come off the bike when moving carrying or not presents the possibility of disabling you for life.

Of course. But do you really think it doesn't increase your chances of injury, to have a 1 1/2 lb piece of solid, hard-edged metal strapped to your hip when you land?

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Of course. But do you really think it doesn't increase your chances of injury, to have a 1 1/2 lb piece of solid, hard-edged metal strapped to your hip when you land?
I will never have it strapped to my hip.

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Dave is right. Attempting to point a weapon at someone while riding is just plain stupid. It's a movie fantasy. Don't even consider it.
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there's at least one biker who doesn't agree with the above statements!

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