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post #1 of 9 Old Apr 22nd, 2012, 1:48 pm Thread Starter
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Leaving Neutral Out Of Your Routine

A recent post has me wondering about what one might consider the proper use of the clutch and transmission...

Another user posted a picture of his transmission drain plug and it had quite a bit of metal on it... Upon inquiry I found out that he used neutral quite a bit while riding..

Putting the bike into neutral and disengaging the clutch causes the input shaft and it's associated gears to spin.. Then when the clutch is pulled in and the gearshift depressed, Quite a bit of grinding goes on as the flat faced gears slam themselves into alignment...

The other scenario is when the bike is put into neutral and the input shaft is not spinning.. Then there is at least a 50% chance that the gears are not in sync.. So you have to let out on the clutch a little while depressing the gear shift to get the bike into gear....

By eliminating neutral in your riding routine. You almost completely eliminate the situation where bad grinding of the gears occurs because everything is not moving at the same time...

The only time my bikes are in neutral is when they're being pushed around on the shop floor to be serviced. OR when they're being tuned... Otherwise the bike remains in first gear when not running or moving... I never use neutral and I don't get a lot of fuzz on my transmission drain plug....

Think about it and tell me what you think...

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The grinding would also happen every time we change gears?

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John, Interesting thought. I usually do my own maintenance on my bikes. I use neutral frequently and have never (so far ) had a transmission problem or anything other than the normal "fuzz" on the drain plug. My expectation is that the transmission is designed to be put in neutral just as it is designed to be put into gear. Perhaps some of the more technical members can shed light on this. For my part, if there was excessive metal on the drain plug, I would assume there was a defect in the transmission that was not related to using neutral.
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Re: Leaving Neutral Out Of Your Routine

Just a thought...what does riding in neutral do in regard to splash lubrication in the gearbox?

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Just a thought...what does riding in neutral do in regard to splash
lubrication in the gearbox?

I guess that would depend on what kind of oil you are using Ron !!

I don't think you could ride far enough in neutral to affect lubrication...

Yes the clunk between shifts is the gears grinding.. But since everything is spinning it's minimized....I guess BMW's transmissions aren't "Syncro Mesh"..


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Re: Leaving Neutral Out Of Your Routine

An interesting connection, maybe!

I hardly ever use N either. Sometimes when the light is long and I feel like I'm in a safe location, I will slip it into N, but that is rare. In 50,000 miles, (changed 3 main fluids in the K1200LT every 6,000 miles) my magnet plug never had anything on it except a little fuzz and the RD fluid always seemed to look like new.

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Re: Leaving Neutral Out Of Your Routine

In neutral, engage clutch which spins the shaft and then shift normally into first or reverse. Works in all my cars and the LT.
Never had a transmission failure in 55 years of driving. Has anyone tried shifting when underway by matching rpms without using the clutch? It can be done gently and without gear clashing.
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Shifting without the clutch is all in matching the RPM with the speed of the next gear. I sometimes float the tranny. Like when I'm flipping some asshole off that's waving at me and It's for the next gear
When I was real young we would race motocross with European takeoffs,( left hand on helmet till the gate drops then clutch and gear) never tore a tranny out.Once again it's all in speed match.
There's alwaya two ways to shift, right way and no damage, or wrong way and tear things up.
Learn to match the speed.
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Re: Leaving Neutral Out Of Your Routine

Click and Clack recommend leaving your car's automatic transmission in neutral when sitting at stop lights. They claim it will dramatically extend the life of the tranny.

On my bikes I ALWAYS shift to neutral just before a full stop. Then watch my rear view mirrors for cell phone talkers and alternately keep my eyes moving for the rest of cross traffic and traffic lights. I always know when the light is going to change to green so shift back into gear a second or two in advance.

I feel most vulnerable sitting at intersections - you are a sitting duck - so I am intensely focused on what is going on around me. So much that when riding with others I tell them in advance I'm not interested in the typical yakking back and forth while waiting...

I have no idea if this is "accepted" riding practice but it's worked for me for a few decades... and after my first 140K I have normal fuzz on my plug. (and my noggin')


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