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post #1 of 16 Old Jan 23rd, 2012, 1:32 pm Thread Starter
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The latest on ethanol...

OK, let's try this again. Sorry for interrupting you last time Chan.

From the National Renewable Energy Laboratories: (hopefully this is about as unbiased a review as you can get even though it was penned by an Engineer from Mercury Marine)

This is not a quick read, but has lots of fascinating info. Pull up a chair and sit a spell:

http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/52909.pdf

This does not paint a pretty picture for those of us with vintage machines.

Maybe this time we actually WON'T get spammed by snake oil hucksters and "test kit" manufacturers.


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Re: The latest on ethanol...

Interesting read, Ron. Although there are differences between E10 (in almost every pump now) and E15 Commonly called E85 is advertised as harmful makes me wonder about every vehicle. On the LT i do use the Marine version of Stabil since it is supposed to protect against the ravages of gasohol. I'm sure there are a zillion products but bottom line is we need to be careful what we put in our bikes and protect them as best we can.

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I agree on the Marine Stabil, I think it is red but I may be wrong on that, in any case the "marine" formula is best. I also am a firm believer in SEAFOAM, it has a stabilizer and works wonders on injectors and carbs and seems to overcome the effects of Ethanol. Fortunately around here, we have several NON E gas suppliers in addition to all the marinas here. Only problem is the gas stations that have Non E usually only have 87 octane. The marine fuel docks have 93, but it is a little shaky trying to ride the LT out on a dock .

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I agree on the Marine Stabil, I think it is red but I may be wrong on that, in any case the "marine" formula is best. I also am a firm believer in SEAFOAM, it has a stabilizer and works wonders on injectors and carbs and seems to overcome the effects of Ethanol. Fortunately around here, we have several NON E gas suppliers in addition to all the marinas here. Only problem is the gas stations that have Non E usually only have 87 octane. The marine fuel docks have 93, but it is a little shaky trying to ride the LT out on a dock .
The regular stabil is red, the marine flavor is green.

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Re: The latest on ethanol...

The fuel pump in my wifes 55 chevy needs a new diaphragm every 9 or 10 months. It starts with a small leak & eventually the pressure drops. It's a six cylinder and I haven't found anything updated for the ethanol fuel.

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Re: The latest on ethanol...

Do we know what brands/retailers sell ethanol-free high-octane gasoline -- maybe there's a list out there somewhere? That would be handy to have.

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Re: The latest on ethanol...

As a clarification, the industry standard is a mathematical expression of the alcohol percentage in the fuel. E10 is 10 percent alcohol. E15 is 15 percent alcohol. E85 is 85 percent alcohol. It is a real killer in a standard engine for many reasons. All these are expressed as maximums so E15 can contain up to 15 percent alcohol, etc. Brazil has been using primarily E85 for many years. I have owned three flex fuel vehicles compatible with E85. It produces great horsepower but crappy mileage. It is really good for flushing out an old fuel tank if you happen to be doing a restoration. It's what I used to clean out this old Honda.
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Do we know what brands/retailers sell ethanol-free high-octane gasoline -- maybe there's a list out there somewhere? That would be handy to have.
Here you go Dude ! http://pure-gas.org/

This web site works pretty well for finding the sweet nectar.
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Here you go Dude ! http://pure-gas.org/

This web site works pretty well for finding the sweet nectar.
Cool - thanks. I was thinking maybe some of the major brands (all of their stations) were ethanol-free. I guess not.

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I have found that Non E costs more than E10.

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Ron, you original post shows concern for antique/older model vehicles.
Have you tried Marvel Oil. I did back in the '70 thru '90 with Caddies, Riviera, Oldsmobile and a Plymouth Horizon some added to the engine oil and just a liddle in the gas tank. Worked well. I don't know about with fuel injection (never tried).
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Do we know what brands/retailers sell ethanol-free high-octane gasoline -- maybe there's a list out there somewhere? That would be handy to have.
Look for an AP, Pure-Gas.org and it will tell you on your smartphone the direction of the stations selling pure gas. Really handy.
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Re: The latest on ethanol...

I know in my area it seems that most of the ethanol free stations are of the mom/pop convenience stores ilk......

also when on the road, lakes have a way of drawing ethanol free, as those boat motors don't like it either.


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2 cycle lawn equipment, such as weed wackers, chain saws, back back blowers, etc.. have issues with ethanol too. Ask me how I know! I have had to put carb kits in just about everything I have, as the diaphragms and check valve sheets harden. Later cars and larger work engine manufacturers have been putting better materials into their fuel systems, but not much in the smaller engines.

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At the end of the day the planet is running out of oil. It's our main energy source and there is nothing to replace it, Ethanol will prolong the agony for a while but personally I have moral objections against the large scale use of alcohol made from plants, mainly corn and other edible vegetables.
Then you will inevitably get the buggers who will dig Klebsiella planticola out again.
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