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GPS more dangerous than Cell Phones?

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Thanks Jeff

Now you tell me. Just after I ordered my new 2730.......

I guess it's all about driver management. IF you're not smart enough to realize how dangerous it is to take your eyes off the road on a bike, you're probably not gonna last long...

The GPS has to be a tool not an entertainment item... Pre-Program your route and use the voice prompts to help you stay on your intended track... I know everyone here realizes that distraction on a motorbike is a quick way to be a smear on the pavement...

Thanks for giving me something to think about.

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Cell phones scare me, dvd players and gps unit really really scare me. That is when in the vehicle of the average cager. Some people can handle all kinds of distractions and others can't handle any. I have always been against all restrictions placed on drivers. But now since I am riding the bike again, I am swaying towards the restrictions.

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I agree beyond a shadow of a doubt that GPS'es are more dangerous than cell phones. But I have come up with my own personal guideline to GPS use whether on either of my bikes, or in one of the cages. My rules is simple: After each keystroke or button press, I look up.

For instance...If I am looking for a Super 8 Motel on my 2610, here's what I do:
  • Press the 'Find' button
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Lodging' icon on the screen
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Filter' button
  • Look up
  • Type 'S'
  • Look up
  • Type 'U'
  • Look up
  • Type 'P'
  • Look up
  • Type 'E'
  • Look up
  • Type 'R'
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Space' key
  • Look up
  • Type '8'
  • Look up
  • Press the 'OK' button
This is a tad tedious and cumbersome...but it is SAFE. And that is all that matters to me. I think this method is even safer than pulling to the side of the road, personally. The only thing safer would be to pull into a rest stop, or gas station. But who has the time for all that?!
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I have even a better GPS method... I can't see the GPS text below the icons or even decipher the icons without reading glasses, so when I need to do a find, I stop. The only find I can do while riding is "take me home".

I have asked Garmin to have pity on us old folks and give the option of using no icons at all, and only use text menus that are of the size of the turn by turn directions.

GPS's may be a distraction for drivers, but I don't believe they are as bad a cell phones or the DVD players...or drivers that READ books while driving.

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Joe has the right idea! Keep those eyes on the road! I'm guilty of the same tecnique Joe!

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The large, VERY LARGE, majority of rearend collisions I investgate involve distraction. I have seen GPS, cell phones, passengers, kids, DVD players, stereo players, food, etc. cause collisions. People under estimate the distance a vehicle travels in a short time. A vehicle at 60 mph travels approximately 88 feet per second. It only takes 1 second of distraction to be in a collision.

At stop lights, I lane split up to the front, so I don't get rearended.

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That particular survey doesn't yet appear on Privilege's own site, but a similar one does. I like the finding:
And itís male drivers who are most affected as one in five (22 per cent) confess to being captivated by scantily-clad women on adverts, compared to just one in ten female drivers by semi-naked male models (11 per cent).
Important stuff. What can be done about this?
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I have to confess to being one of those statistics. It was my looking at the GPS as it was talking to me that caused me to rear end a mate (who unexplainedly stopped at a flashing orange light) in Holland last year. I was only doing about 25mph but managed to write off my FJR1300 and his ZZR1200 in an instant. With bike damage, recovery, hotel bills and air ambulance home Etc. the bill was well in excess of £25,000.
So it was a mistake I'll not quickly forget.
From now on, I just listen to it, and stop if I'm unsure of the directions given.

Only plus side is that I got an LT out of the whole mess.
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Malcolm, I don't think it was the GPS. It was obviously those inferior brakes on that raggedy old FJR.
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At stop lights, I lane split up to the front, so I don't get rearended.
Not a bad idea, but, illegal in most states!

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I agree beyond a shadow of a doubt that GPS'es are more dangerous than cell phones. But I have come up with my own personal guideline to GPS use whether on either of my bikes, or in one of the cages. My rules is simple: After each keystroke or button press, I look up.

For instance...If I am looking for a Super 8 Motel on my 2610, here's what I do:
  • Press the 'Find' button
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Lodging' icon on the screen
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Filter' button
  • Look up
  • Type 'S'
  • Look up
  • Type 'U'
  • Look up
  • Type 'P'
  • Look up
  • Type 'E'
  • Look up
  • Type 'R'
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Space' key
  • Look up
  • Type '8'
  • Look up
  • Press the 'OK' button
This is a tad tedious and cumbersome...but it is SAFE. And that is all that matters to me. I think this method is even safer than pulling to the side of the road, personally. The only thing safer would be to pull into a rest stop, or gas station. But who has the time for all that?!
Or safer yet at the last fuel stop maybe an hour from now I might need a hotel...look it up then. You can aford to take 2 min out of your ride I think.

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The only thing safer would be to pull into a rest stop, or gas station.

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Or safer yet at the last fuel stop maybe an hour from now I might need a hotel...look it up then. You can aford to take 2 min out of your ride I think.
I already stated that option Michael. But I still don't consider this a viable option when I'm LD touring. When I stop for gas, I just bought myself 250 more miles. But I'm not always sure I want to go that far. But, sometimes I do. So...I go back to my original method of looking up a hotel about 30 minutes or so before I want to stop for the day. And using the "look up" method has proved to me VERY safe. YMMV
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Ya you did, (forgive me) just put an extra point to it. Yes, I stop to dial the cell phone too.

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Dialing my cell phone on the LT is as easy as beeping the horn. One press of a button and I hear "Please say a command.". I can digit dial, or say a name and I'm being connected. Yessir...they finally have voice-activated cell phones down to a 'T'.
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Yep, my son has one of those fancy cell phones with voice rec, I don't. (yet)

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...For instance...If I am looking for a Super 8 Motel on my 2610, here's what I do:
  • Press the 'Find' button
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Lodging' icon on the screen
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Filter' button
  • Look up
  • Type 'S'
  • Look up
  • Type 'U'
  • Look up
  • Type 'P'
  • Look up
  • Type 'E'
  • Look up
  • Type 'R'
  • Look up
  • Press the 'Space' key
  • Look up
  • Type '8'
  • Look up
  • Press the 'OK' button
This is a tad tedious and cumbersome...but it is SAFE. And that is all that matters to me. I think this method is even safer than pulling to the side of the road, personally. The only thing safer would be to pull into a rest stop, or gas station. But who has the time for all that?!
I prefer to go down the road typing everything in all at once, without taking eyes off the GPS screen, usually followed by holding my helmet in my lap and flossing my teeth; to save more time, I call ahead and make hotel reservations, then wave at people in cars as I pass them; it's funny to watch the expressions on their faces when they see you aren't touching the handlebars.

But seriously, Joe, that's a good technique. Some day when I have a GPS I'll be careful with it! An interesting topic for another thread would be: what have you seen drivers do that they shouldn't be doing (reading, eating, phone, shaving, maps, etc.).

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Yep, my son has one of those fancy cell phones with voice rec, I don't. (yet)
You don't need the cell phone, you need the service. I've had voice recognition capability on both my home and cell phone for several years.

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I have even a better GPS method... I can't see the GPS text below the icons or even decipher the icons without reading glasses, so when I need to do a find, I stop.
Same here for the same reasons...It's the ONLY safe method.

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Did you follow his link? http://www.bemyassistant.com/
Seems pretty self-explanatory.
I think it's pricey for what it is . . . obviously Bill likes it.
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Did you follow his link? http://www.bemyassistant.com/
Seems pretty self-explanatory.
I think it's pricey for what it is . . . obviously Bill likes it.

Sorry, still don't feel / see NEED

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Joe, I can't find the "Look up" button on mine. Help!

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Joe, I can't find the "Look up" button on mine. Help!
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Ron Ayres quoting Mike Kneebone in the book -Going the Extra Mile-, "The thing a GPS is most useful for is reporting the exact location of the accident you had because you were looking at the GPS receiver instead of the road."
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Important stuff. What can be done about this?
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Ron Ayres quoting Mike Kneebone in the book -Going the Extra Mile-, "The thing a GPS is most useful for is reporting the exact location of the accident you had because you were looking at the GPS receiver instead of the road."
I respectfully disagree. I'll take a talking GPS over a map in the map pocket of my tankbag any day.

But his statement is the main reason why I am so adamant about suggesting where a rider installs the GPS. In front of you and just below your line of vision is my suggestion. Any place else, and you're just asking for trouble.
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