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post #1 of 16 Old Jan 21st, 2010, 10:14 am Thread Starter
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Should you really dump IE?

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A question thatís been hitting my inbox as regular as raindrops over the past few days:
Given all the negative press surrounding Internet Explorer lately, and some governments telling its citizens to stop using the browser, should I stop using Internet Explorer?

Iíve been spending a lot of time and effort keeping up with this latest Internet Explorer vulnerability, which goes by many names but the most common being ďAuroraĒ and I canít blame anyone for being confused. Part of the confusion is down to the fact that things are changing rapidly, and part of it is down to confusing information surrounding the vulnerability. Security is a complex matter and it can quickly get confusing.

OK, should you dump Internet Explorer? Well, if you are using an old version (IE6, IE7) then you really should. These are old, outdated browsers that you should make the break from. If you are running IE6 then you really need to do that as a matter of urgency. Just download IE8, right now. What are you waiting for?

If thereís some reason why you canít or wonít do that, then you should grab for yourself another browser and use that instead. Youíve plenty of choice - Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Opera are the top choices.

Running old, out of date browsers is very hazardous to your PCís health!!!

But what if you have been a good Windows user and youíve updated to IE8. What then? Well, so far it seems that IE8 is safe. A security researcher claims to have found a way to make IE8 vulnerable, but this code isnít in the hands of the bad guys. So, you can rest easy. Sure, feel free to check out some of the other browsers if you want, but remember that vulnerabilities and patches are a way of life, and no matter what you use, you canít get away from that.
Note: My personal feeling is that people are safer if they move away from IE and adopt another browser (my favorite is Googleís Chrome, which is sandboxed from the system, making it harder for hackers to get a foothold). But that said, browsers are a personal thing, and thereís no point trying to force people to change. My goal is to make people safer, not push an ideology!

Also, remember that itís not just browsers that can make you vulnerable. Take this latest Adobe Shockwave vulnerability that might affect as many as 450 million PCs worldwide.

Finally, make sure that you have up-to-date antivirus installed. Thereís the free Microsoft Security Essentials, or my personal favorite, Sunbelt Softwareís VIPRE. Good antivirus software is your computing wingman and when the going gets touch, itís usually got your back covered.

Oh, and remember, use common sense at all times! Donít go installing things you donít know what they are, especially any codecs or audio/video related software you are offered. Stay out of the Internet dark alleys too, where malware is more prevalent.

Be careful out there!

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Re: Should you really dump IE?

At work, IE 6 is the standard. Its not optional, sadly. There is a lot of that going around in biz.

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I dumped IE years ago for FF

Sill have to use IE for a couple of secure web-sites at work but that's it. Don't use it at home at all. It sucks.

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I use FireFox as my default browser, have Google Chrome on my laptop, and like that too.

There are places that only IE will work though, and when I know I will have to print something from the web I use IE, because I have HP "Smart Web Printing" installed. Sure wish that worked in FireFox! HP says it does, but I cannot get it to.

If you sometimes have to print web pages, and even more if you want to print just part of a web page, install the Smart Web Printing application! This lets you select any portion of a web page by clicking and dragging, and it will only print that selection. Web page printing is one of the most horrendous things to do in the Internet, as you almost never get just what you want, with portions clipped, pages you do not want , etc.. I hate it when I print a web page, and it wastes paper printing a footer that flows to the second page.


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http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=6795&tag=nl.e539





A question thatís been hitting my inbox as regular as raindrops over the past few days:
Given all the negative press surrounding Internet Explorer lately, and some governments telling its citizens to stop using the browser, should I stop using Internet Explorer?

Iíve been spending a lot of time and effort keeping up with this latest Internet Explorer vulnerability, which goes by many names but the most common being ďAuroraĒ and I canít blame anyone for being confused. Part of the confusion is down to the fact that things are changing rapidly, and part of it is down to confusing information surrounding the vulnerability. Security is a complex matter and it can quickly get confusing.

OK, should you dump Internet Explorer? Well, if you are using an old version (IE6, IE7) then you really should. These are old, outdated browsers that you should make the break from. If you are running IE6 then you really need to do that as a matter of urgency. Just download IE8, right now. What are you waiting for?

If thereís some reason why you canít or wonít do that, then you should grab for yourself another browser and use that instead. Youíve plenty of choice - Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Opera are the top choices.

Running old, out of date browsers is very hazardous to your PCís health!!!

But what if you have been a good Windows user and youíve updated to IE8. What then? Well, so far it seems that IE8 is safe. A security researcher claims to have found a way to make IE8 vulnerable, but this code isnít in the hands of the bad guys. So, you can rest easy. Sure, feel free to check out some of the other browsers if you want, but remember that vulnerabilities and patches are a way of life, and no matter what you use, you canít get away from that.
Note: My personal feeling is that people are safer if they move away from IE and adopt another browser (my favorite is Googleís Chrome, which is sandboxed from the system, making it harder for hackers to get a foothold). But that said, browsers are a personal thing, and thereís no point trying to force people to change. My goal is to make people safer, not push an ideology!

Also, remember that itís not just browsers that can make you vulnerable. Take this latest Adobe Shockwave vulnerability that might affect as many as 450 million PCs worldwide.

Finally, make sure that you have up-to-date antivirus installed. Thereís the free Microsoft Security Essentials, or my personal favorite, Sunbelt Softwareís VIPRE. Good antivirus software is your computing wingman and when the going gets touch, itís usually got your back covered.

Oh, and remember, use common sense at all times! Donít go installing things you donít know what they are, especially any codecs or audio/video related software you are offered. Stay out of the Internet dark alleys too, where malware is more prevalent.

Be careful out there!
Speaking of governmental incompetence: "our" brand new, internet based, time card accounting system is NOT even compatible with the latest version of IE! Of course, since the latest IE is probably no more secure than the previous version (despite what MS says) it probably doesn't make a difference anyway.....

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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Re: Should you really dump IE?

You should dump Windoze too.

I doesn't matter if it's Mac or Linux, but people should give it a try. In fact, you can get a Dell Mini 10v for under $300 that has Linux on it, or you can hackintosh it to Mac OS X, and if you just can't learn to live with without Windoze, you can put Win7 on it.

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You should dump Windoze too.

I doesn't matter if it's Mac or Linux, but people should give it a try. In fact, you can get a Dell Mini 10v for under $300 that has Linux on it, or you can hackintosh it to Mac OS X, and if you just can't learn to live with without Windoze, you can put Win7 on it.

I've been Windoze free since 2001.
Yeah Jeff! MS really deserves to be out of business for the crap it installs on PC's masquerading as an OS....

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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-------------------------------- I have HP "Smart Web Printing" installed. Sure wish that worked in FireFox! HP says it does, but I cannot get it to.

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http://www.hp.com/global/us/en/consu...-printing.html

HOORAY! It DOES work in FireFox! There was a new Icon in the toolbar I missed. Now I can print exactly what I want from a web page.

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There are places that only IE will work though, and when I know I will have to print something from the web I use IE, because I have HP "Smart Web Printing" installed. Sure wish that worked in FireFox! HP says it does, but I cannot get it to.
For those REAL pesky web sites that MUST have IE, Firefox has an addon called IETAB that allows you to switch to the IE "engine" - works well.

It still used the MS IE DLL engine to render, so I assume is still vulnerable to attacks, so I use it sparingly and only as needed.

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Thanks Andy for your advice - always good to have an expurt covering your six!

I've been running Chrome for a couple of weeks now instead of FF - and while I was initially happy with it I've found some "snafus". I'm going to go back to FF and update it.


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A question thatís been hitting my inbox as regular as raindrops over the past few days:[indent]Given all the negative press surrounding Internet Explorer lately, and some governments telling its citizens to stop using the browser, should I stop using Internet Explorer?

Be careful out there!
Thanks Andy for the extremely helpful information.I am one of those "so-so" computer users and I have been using the same laptop for the past 6 years. I am not sure what version of IE I have, and don't know how to find out. Unless IE automatically did some kind of update, I imagine I have the original that came on the computer. Today I took your advise and installed Google Chrome. Funny thing was last night my wife came home from her job at the university library with an article praising Chrome, and info from some of the tech guys there who advised changing browsers. Somebody must be pshyic. Next step is to install the Vipre antivirus software. This site is helpful in a great many ways.


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Speaking of governmental incompetence: "our" brand new, internet based, time card accounting system is NOT even compatible with the latest version of IE! Of course, since the latest IE is probably no more secure than the previous version (despite what MS says) it probably doesn't make a difference anyway.....
How about this? PetSmart now only takes job applications on line. Last fall my wife wanted to apply for a job (and get off unemployment) and fires up IE which the PetSmart website said to use. We have IE 8 at the time. She gets a notice that our browser is not compatible and is out of date and that we should upgrade! Upgrade to what? The next day she called customer service for PetSmart and found that the site requires IE 6! They told her to go a library and apply for the job. She goes to the library and they have IE 7 and guess what message PetSmart.com gives her?

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How about this? PetSmart now only takes job applications on line. Last fall my wife wanted to apply for a job (and get off unemployment) and fires up IE which the PetSmart website said to use. We have IE 8 at the time. She gets a notice that our browser is not compatible and is out of date and that we should upgrade! Upgrade to what? The next day she called customer service for PetSmart and found that the site requires IE 6! They told her to go a library and apply for the job. She goes to the library and they have IE 7 and guess what message PetSmart.com gives her?
To funny! You would have thought she was filling out an employment app for a certain HUGE, county on the Left coast, that will remain unnamed, of course!

Wait! IE is "backwards compatible".....just like Vista! OR just plain F'G backwards......

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I know that MANY organizations still have IE requirements and many IT departments are just plain too lazy (or have consumed the M$ cool-aid in mass quantities) to change.

It is known and was known in the IT community for years now that IE is about the worst browser there is in terms of compliance to standards, speed and most importantly security. The sad fact just is that many IT organizations are headed by absolute clueless people and rely on the 'expert advice' of even more clueless or the even better advice of MSCE

The fact that whole governments suggest to all of their citizens to use a different browser, especially in the light that governments are not exactly fast to move should speak LOTS.

I hope I will still see the day when it becomes an insult to call someone MSCE.

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Thanks for your knowledgeable advice. I've switched to Chrome and have downloaded Vipre (great program).

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