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Nothing new there Jeff, other than possibly the motorcycle part.

During the vietnam era we had the same issues but mostly with monster hp big block vettes and roadrunners. There was usually a weekly report of someone just back killing themselves on the road, usually after drinking.

I have to agree, these new bikes are pretty exciting but will surely get you killed fast if you don't agree with the law of physics for a fleeting moment.

They should start having these guys/gals skydiving soon as they get back here, its a great adrenaline rush most of the time and safer than motorbiking by a long shot. That way, they can work it down to manageable levels without killing themselves by going "uh oh" after it's too late to fix the physics problem while riding too fast on a bike.

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But it was my understanding that the services had a pretty stringent set of rules around motorcycles. My friend who was in the Air Force in the late 80's/early 90's had to take training, in order to be allowed to ride while on active duty. Have things changed?


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It is required to get a decal to drive on base/post. I could not get a decal as a contractor when I got the LT until I took the ERC. It took three weeks to get into the course, it felt like three years! Doesn't matter on experience level - no card - no decal.

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They do have stringent rules Jeff...but being a young jarhead myself once I can tell you that...adrenaline rules and it is impossible for me to die

ahhh...to be young and foolish again, it has to be better than being old and foolish!!

Sooooo...tell me again, at what age do I pass the old and foolish test?

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But it was my understanding that the services had a pretty stringent set of rules around motorcycles. My friend who was in the Air Force in the late 80's/early 90's had to take training, in order to be allowed to ride while on active duty. Have things changed?
Jeff,
I'm active duty Navy. A Motorcycle Safety Course is still required to get base stickers. I suspect many of our returning troops are purchasing bikes through the military's overseas purchase program. I did the same thing a couple years ago and you can save big $$. Unfortunately, I'm guessing they are hopping on their new bike without experience and/or a safety course. No current military regs or policy prevents a soldier, airman or sailor from riding a bike off base without the safety course. There are discussions on going to make the safety course mandatory for all sailors who own a bike whether they ride on base or not. One of the penalties discussed would be the loss of medical coverage if injured in a motorcycle accident. As you can guess, this involves legal ramifications and questions as to whether a policy resulting in lost medical coverage is enforcable. I personally support the proposed policy and in the interim do all that I can to influence young sailors working for me to routinely take safety courses and wear appropriate safety gear at all times when riding.
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Being at the door step of the world's largest Marine Corps base it is a common problem with these boys deploying.. Now that they are back in a shooting war they come back pretty hyped up and nervous about going back..Street fighting door to door is the single most stressful type of combat there is..

When you have dealers like some we have here and all over the US that will sell these boys a bike if they have the money, and they do cause all they have done for the last year is save, they buy those big Busa's or FJR's or a big Zuki they get crippled or killed on a regular basis.. And they just leaver them in town so no base sticker no MSF and no motorcycle indorsement on their license..

Lastly it will take a Congressional act to stop medical care. They get medical care because they are on active duty not depending on what their doing, it simply doesn't work that way..A drunk sailor still gets medical even though he was breaking the law... And you notice I didn't say drunk Marine,we don't get drunk as long as there is one blade of grass to hang onto to keep from falling off the face of the earth................Regards Pete
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It's not just bikes. There's been an increase in deaths to soldiers returning from a combat zone from auto accidents as well. From my understanding it's one of the big subjects covered in the redeployment briefings.

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Yeah, Pete, those young marines back in my day(56-77) were invincible..I did all I could to make them take safety courses for their sake..50-50 results on that issue..
Seems that most of the riders I see on base here in Vegas(Nellis AFB) are diligent and observe the regs..Off base, they younger ones tend to let it hang out a bit..At least the ones I've seen blast by me in uniform do..
By the way, how's the vacancy rate for space A lodging at Lejeune? I plan on passing down that way from WVa to Tampa next Jun/Jul..Doing a trip from Vegas to Knoxville(Hoot) to WVa to Tampa and back to Vegas..
Take care..Semper Fi, Roy
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As the saying goes... "youth is wasted on the young".
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Roy,, Couldn't tell you about lodging at the base,, Really depends on the summer time movement of troops that are bringing in their families..........regards Pete Semper Fidelis
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Thanks, Pete..Thought I'd ask seeing as to how you're right there..Rubber side down and check your 6..Semper Fi
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Looks like the Liberal Left will start asking for congress to investigate the Discovery Channel and it's American Chopper program as it may be influencing our returning military in such a way as to degenerate their minds.....


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