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My wife just got a license suspension notice. The claim is she didn't provide proof of insurance. About a month ago she got a letter demanding proof. She went to Kinko's and copied her insurance card and sent it it. Now they demand $125 reinstatement fee.

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AKA revenue enhancement. Thank you liberals.
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Time to invoice them an aggravation fee.

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AKA revenue enhancement. Thank you liberals.
Really, George? It's all the liberals' fault? Not general government corruption and bureaucracy, but specifically liberals? As if this sort of thing couldn't possibly have happened before January 20, 2009?

Bummer, Michael. Too bad you can't trust the mail/bureaucracy. Maybe she'd have been better off taking her proof into the office directly. Then again, hindsight is always easier . . .

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Really, George? It's all the liberals' fault? Not general government corruption and bureaucracy, but specifically liberals? As if this sort of thing couldn't possibly have happened before January 20, 2009?

Bummer, Michael. Too bad you can't trust the mail/bureaucracy. Maybe she'd have been better off taking her proof into the office directly. Then again, hindsight is always easier . . .
Come on, George. There are a plenty of excuses and a lot of folks to blame, but I have to side with Meese (just this one time--I've been waiting years for this opportunity. )

Unfortunately, incompetence is not a trait that can be ascribed exclusively to liberals. If only liberals were incompetent, there would be about half as much incompetence since it is probably safe to conclude that incompetence is split about 50/50 between conservatives and liberals.

I'm sorry for your inconvenience, Michael but if you can prove your case, I'd place a conservativley liberal wager that you could get the reinstatement fee rescinded--but only if you can find a competent conservative to deal with it.

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We finally did reach someone we could talk to at the BMW, who understood our anger. We are resending in the proof. We'll see what happens this time. It is such a stupid progam. They could easily just say send in the proof when you renew your tags.

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WOW! This could be the shot heard around the world that starts the American peasant uprising against government diddling.

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... They could easily just say send in the proof when you renew your tags.
The state could also require insurance companies to send a periodic file of coverage data which could be compared to driver data. Then they wouldn't have to hassle drivers to provide proof of insurance, etc.

OTOH, this leans toward making government even more like Big Brother. Forget I said it!

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We finally did reach someone we could talk to at the BMW, who understood our anger. We are resending in the proof.
Hopefully, that will make this all go away, especially once they see that you've had continuous coverage the whole time.

On the other hand, there are states that don't require proof of insurance at all. Even here in sunny CA where it is required, the Uninsured Motorist coverage is a significant portion of any premium. Somehow, we always get to pay for those who don't follow the rules . . .

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My wife just got a license suspension notice. The claim is she didn't provide proof of insurance. About a month ago she got a letter demanding proof. She went to Kinko's and copied her insurance card and sent it it. Now they demand $125 reinstatement fee.
I have several questions: Why didn't your insurance company send the DMV the "proof" when the policy was started/renewed? If "sending it in" is not good enough, because they loose it, etc, do you have to give the proof in person, or use certified mail?

I never believed there could be a DMV worse then Kommyfornia's!
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Don't say that, Geo! Ken will burst a vessel!!

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I have several questions: Why didn't your insurance company send the DMV the "proof" when the policy was started/renewed? If "sending it in" is not good enough, because they loose it, etc, do you have to give the proof in person, or use certified mail?

I never believed there could be a DMV worse then Kommyfornia's!

Don't say that, Geo! Ken will burst a vessel!!
I wish they would send proof like Howard suggested. Ohio's program is to randomly send out a letter demanding proof. You can get a letter from your insurance agent, copy your insurance card or policy renewal statement. Send it back in their envelope and hope the postal service doesn't lose it, or some clerk doesn't stuff it somewhere. Papers please!

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Don't say that, Geo! Ken will burst a vessel!!
Once again you're late to the party, Jay.

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I wish they would send proof like Howard suggested. Ohio's program is to randomly send out a letter demanding proof. You can get a letter from your insurance agent, copy your insurance card or policy renewal statement. Send it back in their envelope and hope the postal service doesn't lose it, or some clerk doesn't stuff it somewhere. Papers please!
WOW--It's like dealing with the courthouse! Go in person AND get a receipt!!

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We finally did reach someone we could talk to at the BMW, who understood our anger. We are resending in the proof. We'll see what happens this time. It is such a stupid progam. They could easily just say send in the proof when you renew your tags.
Here in PA on tag renewal you need to fill in your insurance Policy Number and your Brokers Federal Secret Squirrel Number on the renewal. You also have to have a current insurance card for inspection once a year.

Are not all States like this on renewal of tags?

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Warning !

Police State ahead.

Here in NC, you let your insurance lapse, the insurance folks inform the state who in turn sends you a letter demanding that you turn in your tags. You don't comply, a man shows up in a car with blue lights mounted and takes your tags. To get them back you have to provide proof of insurance and pay a reinstatement fee.

Had a huge mix up some years back. The DMV (bless them) got things really messed up, registration had the right name and address but everything else was wrong, well except for the brand of vehicle. Took months to straighten it out and they kept trying to pass it off as my fault/error and they wanted all sorts of fees/fines from me to straighten out their mess. Finally had enough, called my elected official we send to the state house and it all got fixed in less than 24 hours. Got an apology from the elected official but with the request that I do not show my face in the DMV office in Shelby anymore. I did ask some pointed questions the last time I was there and had a few comments on their work performance.

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Warning !

Police State ahead.

Here in NC, you let your insurance lapse, the insurance folks inform the state who in turn sends you a letter demanding that you turn in your tags. You don't comply, a man shows up in a car with blue lights mounted and takes your tags. To get them back you have to provide proof of insurance and pay a reinstatement fee.
And again, the other side of the coin is all the folks that drive around without valid insurance, or tags, or even a license. Then they hit someone and do major property damage, or worse, injure or kill someone, and the victim is left to cover all the costs alone. Is that fair? Could that possibly be why all these draconian proof-of-insurance laws have been created?

Now I don't think for a minute that these laws are set up to protect the individual. No, they're in place to protect the insurance companies from huge uninsured motorists payouts, and any benefit to the insured is merely a by-product.

But honestly, would you really rather repeal all insurance, registration, and license laws and let everyone simply fend for themselves? Yeah, that'd work . . .

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And again, the other side of the coin is all the folks that drive around without valid insurance, or tags, or even a license. Then they hit someone and do major property damage, or worse, injure or kill someone, and the victim is left to cover all the costs alone. Is that fair? Could that possibly be why all these draconian proof-of-insurance laws have been created?

Now I don't think for a minute that these laws are set up to protect the individual. No, they're in place to protect the insurance companies from huge uninsured motorists payouts, and any benefit to the insured is merely a by-product.

But honestly, would you really rather repeal all insurance, registration, and license laws and let everyone simply fend for themselves? Yeah, that'd work . . .
Scary, scary, ... but I agree with Ken. Where did we come to?

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Scary, scary, ... but I agree with Ken. Where did we come to?
No, no, no, Andy, that's not what I meant at all. All government is evil and all laws are oppressive. And taxes, don't get me started on those damn tax thieves. We should all just keep our money and defend ourselves.

Now if only someone could tell me what to do and how to secure myself and my family when the inevitable breakdown of society occurs . . .

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I have several questions: Why didn't your insurance company send the DMV the "proof" when the policy was started/renewed? If "sending it in" is not good enough, because they loose it, etc, do you have to give the proof in person, or use certified mail?

I never believed there could be a DMV worse then Kommyfornia's!

I have held residence in three states: Massachusetts, California and now Ohio.
This state does not require an annual vehicle inspection. Depending on the county a bi-annual air pollution inspection is required which also is dependent on the year of the vehicle.
Upon renewal of registration tags and/or DL, the resident signs an affidavit assisting to having and maintaining minimum insurance. The insurance company or agent has no responsibility for this transaction.

I recall that in Massachusetts vehicles were required to have an annual inspection.
When I left California in 1981, there was no inspection requirement.

In Ohio during a traffic stop, the LEO "can" require evidence of insurance. During a minor stop a few years ago, I was asked for proof of insurance and produced an expired insurance card. The Officer asked if I had renewed the insurance and I answered in the affirmative. He wrote the ticket for the 15 over.

This is the first time I've heard of the random request. If I get one, it will be sent by registered, return receipt USPS delivery.
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....In Ohio during a traffic stop, the LEO "can" require evidence of insurance.....This is the first time I've heard of the random request. If I get one, it will be sent by registered, return receipt USPS delivery......
Here, in the North of Mexico, I'm shocked when anyone has a valid driver's license......So I figure i better not F'K with the insurance!

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