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When drinking the Kool Aid really meant something.

The Jonestown massacre, 30 years ago today. Never understood how a man could get people to follow him so blindly, ultimately to their own demise. Sadder yet, history repeats itself...

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The Jonestown massacre, 30 years ago today. Never understood how a man could get people to follow him so blindly, ultimately to their own demise. Sadder yet, history repeats itself...
Yes, BLIND FAITH, indeed! AND those that do not study history....

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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Thanks for those memories. Although it is very unlikely I will ever forget that little "paid vacation." In about a week it will be 30 years since I started smoking cigars.

I got orders to get on a C5, for an unknown destination, along with other agents from all the agencies and a whole lot of military personnel and equipment. The flight seemed to take forever and about an hour before we landed they started handing out ordinance. That is when we all realized we were heading into something bad. When I stepped off that plane I was smacked in face with a smell that I will likely never forget. Spent a week in the jungle and chain smoked cigars (once I got over that green feeling from the first one that is) from the second I woke up until I fell asleep and even learned to smoke one while I ate.

I never actually went into the compound. Didn't need to and didn't want to. You could smell it a half mile away at the air strip. We had tents set up there and our mission was to go into the jungle every day and look for survivors, bodies and the treasure that was supposed to be hidden there. I never saw any of the above, but the smell was with me every day.

When I got home I actually threw away everything I had taken with me, because I could still smell "That Smell" on my stuff. Hard to belive it was 30 years ago already. In some ways it seems like it just happened and in others it seems like a life time ago. Some thought it looked great on my resume though and it got me a promotion or two, but if you gave me the choice today to do it over, I would have to know one thing first: what kind of cigars you were sending me with, cause I will never smoke another Swisher Sweet as long as I live.

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... When I stepped off that plane I was smacked in face with a smell that I will likely never forget.
I too know that smell, but I don't even want to imagine the magnitude that must have permeated that jungle...

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More dirt we've shared Dave.

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Yes Sir, but this one I wish we had not.
NO CHIT!!!

Hey, was it you guys on the west side, or was it the north side that kept having issues with the jaguar? Sorry guys, but you had to be there to understand. It wasn't all that funny at the time, but I get a chuckle out of it now.

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Why is it that we can NEVER forget that smell--especially the human kind? You only need one time--then for the rest of your life--it could be 40 years since you last smelled it. You NEVER forget.

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I still have a post card from Mary, a nurse in the compound, that I would occasionally chat with via ham radio.

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I still have a post card from Mary, a nurse in the compound, that I would occasionally chat with via ham radio.
Did Mary escape? Or....

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Why is it that we can NEVER forget that smell--especially the human kind? You only need one time--then for the rest of your life--it could be 40 years since you last smelled it. You NEVER forget.
Jay, I had smelled many dead bodies in various stages of decomposition before I went down there and this smell was different and much much worse. It was almost like a vapor rather than just a smell in the air and the stench was choking. I can't describe it well enough to even get close to how bad it was, but it wasn't anything like a rotting corpse, it was so much worse.


Bob, I am curious too. Did your friend make it out? I know a lot of the medical staff was out of town with the athletes when it happened.

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Yuuup...pretty well sums it up Dave.

We were using Vicks Vapor Rub that one of the coroners brought along. Between that and the cigars...well....it still stunk.

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Nope.

Mary died.

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Jay, I had smelled many dead bodies in various stages of decomposition before I went down there and this smell was different and much much worse. It was almost like a vapor rather than just a smell in the air and the stench was choking. I can't describe it well enough to even get close to how bad it was, but it wasn't anything like a rotting corpse, it was so much worse....
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Nope....Mary died.
Wow! So very sad.....

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Bob, sorry to hear that.

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You're right about never forgetting the smell. I was not in on that party, but drew body bag detail in Nam too many times to remember. Used Vicks Vapo Rub also. Could not throw out the gear, as we could not get replacements. The worst was the aircraft. The smell never left no matter how , or how many times you washed it out. Was there Jan 13th 1968-May 28th 1969, in the delta.
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