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I certainly hope that doesn't pass, and doesn't start a trend! In Michigan, my CPL doesn't even show our address, etc. mainly for security and privacy reasons.

With the government computer systems working so well to screen out bad guys from legal purchase/carry, anyone (most?) that actually gets a permit should be viewed as an upright citizen!

This afterthought legislation is just plain wrong. Let's just tell ALL the bad guys who to target or avoid!!

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OTOH if it is public knowledge who 'is hot' or not those that are will most likely be not hassled because there are enough pacifists arounf to choose from. If I were to be a bad guy and I get a list of who might be carrying and therefore most likely have a loaded gun at home within reach I'd think twice if there might not be an easier target around.
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OTOH if it is public knowledge who 'is hot' or not those that are will most likely be not hassled because there are enough pacifists arounf to choose from. If I were to be a bad guy and I get a list of who might be carrying and therefore most likely have a loaded gun at home within reach I'd think twice if there might not be an easier target around.
Then again, when "big brother" decides that for your own protection they are going to outlaw guns..they'll know who has what and where to go to take them away.
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To my way of thinking it goes way farther than invading the personal space issue. It is called a "Concealed" permit for a reason..............It is no bussiness of the media's.........period..............The left side media is attempting to change the constitution again...................

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Then again, when "big brother" decides that for your own protection they are going to outlaw guns..they'll know who has what and where to go to take them away.
Thay know that anyhow. You (and I) applied for the CHL with a couple of forms. Remember?
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Thay know that anyhow. You (and I) applied for the CHL with a couple of forms. Remember?
Don't have a CHL..they know nothing.
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OTOH if it is public knowledge who 'is hot' or not those that are will most likely be not hassled because there are enough pacifists arounf to choose from. If I were to be a bad guy and I get a list of who might be carrying and therefore most likely have a loaded gun at home within reach I'd think twice if there might not be an easier target around.
Or, let's keep the info unavailable to the public and make the bad guys GUESS about the status of the home they are about to invade.

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Well, I hate to disagree, but I think the public at large has a right to know who runs around in public with a firearm. I have several guns and was an avid hunter until a few years ago. I really have no problem with people owning firearms and using them for target practice, recreation or hunting, but I draw the line on carrying concealed weapons in public places.

For one thing, there are a lot of hot heads around and what is to stop some guy with a bad temper from jerking out a weapon and blasting someone else for cutting him off in traffic or saying something that offended him in a bar. This has happened in my state several times in the recent past.

A lot of those carrying concealed weapons see themselves as saviors of society and dream of taking out a terrorist or some other malcontent. The problem is, to know how to handle a weapon in a emergency situation takes a lot more training than 8 hours of concealed weapons class, taught by a redneck. If the police respond to a real situation with an armed gunman and some concealed weapons guy jerks out a pistol, he is going to get shot.

Also, if you shoot someone you better be able to prove that he was a threat to your life, or that he initiated the situation, or you will get sued or go to jail or both. I suspect it is better to leave law enforcement to those who are trained and are professionals.
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The "hot heads" and road rage is especially a very good reason to carry, unless you can afford to hire a body guard.

A local woman was being harassed by another driver who continued to pass and cut her off, then go behind and do it again. She finally pulled off hoping the man would continue on his way. Instead, he too pulled over. He came back to her car and punched her in the face.

She had a permit, pulled her firearm and shot the man. No charges were filed.

Another similar incident, the driver being harassed pulled out a .45 after the aggressive individual came back to his vehicle to further the incident. Upon seeing the firearm, he relieved himself and kindly went on his way.

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Well, I hate to disagree, but I think the public at large has a right to know who runs around in public with a firearm. I have several guns and was an avid hunter until a few years ago. I really have no problem with people owning firearms and using them for target practice, recreation or hunting, but I draw the line on carrying concealed weapons in public places.

A lot of those carrying concealed weapons see themselves as saviors of society and dream of taking out a terrorist or some other malcontent. The problem is, to know how to handle a weapon in a emergency situation takes a lot more training than 8 hours of concealed weapons class, taught by a redneck.

I guess you are entiteled to your opinion, same as everybody else. What about alll the states that have a cancealed carry law, seems that violent crime has gone down and the fears of hotheads whipping it out and blasting away are unfounded. Ain't happened.

Taught by a redneck? Where'd you come up with that? All the instructors I know are either active or retired police officers, FBI Agents and even a Judge. Believe a couple would take offense at being labeled a redneck.

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For one thing, there are a lot of hot heads around and what is to stop some guy with a bad temper from jerking out a weapon and blasting someone else for cutting him off in traffic or saying something that offended him in a bar.
And those people generally DON'T have a permit.
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My dear friend was killed along with 22 and 20 wounded others at the Luby's restaurant in Killeen on October 16, 1991. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard

Her name was Connie Peterson... Rest in Peace our dear, dear Connie!

She and a friend had ridden to the Killeen HD shop, then headed to Luby's for lunch when George Hennard entered the Luby's. Connie, a gifted healer of body and spirit, reached to calm her friend when George noticed and walked up and said something to the effect, "Well, since she's comforting you, she will die in your place." He then killed Connie and wounded her friend.

I think "CHL" licenses are ridiculous... and one day will not be required... that is what I hope.

Criminals don't care.... you know that...

Let us hope we never "need" them...

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[...] I suspect it is better to leave law enforcement to those who are trained and are professionals.
Absolutely. When seconds count in a life or death situation — the police are only minutes away.

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My dear friend was killed along with 22 and 20 wounded others at the Luby's restaurant in Killeen on October 16, 1991. ...
I think "CHL" licenses are ridiculous... and one day will not be required... that is what I hope. Criminals don't care....
Sorry about your friend, but what you must realize is IF there had been an armed, trained CPL holder in that restaurant, that massacre would likely not have happened.

In US cities with the tightest, most restrictive handgun/weapon laws, the MOST killings occur. Chicago, Washington, NYC, and others. Where honest people, with concern for their safety and the safety of others, are allowed to carry, the violent crime rates are lower.

Do you really expect a police officer to be everywhere they're needed? You need to review the facts and start taking some responsibility for your own security.

BTW, you are right about one thing! Criminals don't care...! That's why we have to.

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A lot of those carrying concealed weapons see themselves as saviors of society and dream of taking out a terrorist or some other malcontent. The problem is, to know how to handle a weapon in a emergency situation takes a lot more training than 8 hours of concealed weapons class, taught by a redneck. If the police respond to a real situation with an armed gunman and some concealed weapons guy jerks out a pistol, he is going to get shot.
You are clearly passionate about this issue but you really don't have a clue as to who carries, why they carry or how and by whom they are taught. I know quite a few permit holders, most of which are retired LEO, and none of them see themselves 'saviours of society'. I also know five currently active instructors, two are retired military, two are retired LEOs and one is retired FBI - none are 'rednecks'. I have 20-30 friends who are current or retired LEO the ones I have spoken with about permits have said they are quite comfortable with armed citizenry that are properly cleared and qualified.

In all of the news stories I have read about people wielding firearms in an inappropriate manor, I can't recall a single story about a CCW permit holder being involved. The sheriff in my county said he could not recall ever hearing of any weapon related problem with a CCW permit holder. On the other hand I have heard quite a number of accounts where a CCW permit holder was able to diffuse an attempted crime without firing a shot. Most permit holders are completely aware of the awesome responsibility that accompanies their ability to carry concealed. The need to issue the permits would certainly be mitigated somewhat if even the most petty of criminals weren't likely to be armed.

All that aside, publishing the names of lawful permit holders won't change anything, unless you think they should also wear a label or something. Exposing lawful permit holders certainly will not reduce the number of armed criminals, it will only paint a larger target on the unarmed as far as petty criminals are concerned.

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A permit holder since 79, I still do not understand the Pa. carry laws, nor does just about anyone that has anything to do with issuing permits or enforcing the Law. This is what I found after days and many phone calls to local enforcement offices. This all came about just questioning the use of a copy of the permit.

YIKES! This is getting more complicated with each phone call. Started off with six calls so far, and I am still working on it as I write this post. Almost two hours later, this is what we have.

I was told by an issuing agent, "no one will commit to telling you exactly what the laws are!"
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The Sheriff's office which issues the permits could not answer and told me to call the State Police.

I called the main barracks in this area, and they could not answer the question. I then called the State Police offices in Harrisburg, and was shuffled from one office to another, and still do not have an answer.

Now, if these agencies can not answer fairly straight forward questions on concealed carry, and I could not get a direct answer if it was legal to carry concealed in Pittsburg and Philly from these offices, how is a permit holder supposed to know, when they do not offer in writing what exactly the requirements are?

One office told me it was only legal to carry the originally issued permit, and PA does not have it marked on your driver's license if you have a carry permit. I then called the Sheriff's office back for the third time, and was told they will issue duplicate copies for $5 each, but you have to do so in person to sign the permit. The rest is on the computer. So, that is what I will do next week.

The State Police are mailing some documents, not sure what those will be, but I will post anything worth speaking of.

If it is this questionable from the people that issue the permit, PICS authorizes the permit, and no two agencies agree on exactly "what the Law is", can you imagine the confusion with any LEO that has to make a discretionary decision during a routine stop?

This is the best info I have after hours of research and finally talking to someone from a Pittsburg Sheriff's Office:
http://sheriffalleghenycounty.com/HTML's/firearms.html

You can carry concealed in Pittsburg, and they do have a booklet available in their offices. They would not mail me one however. Their duplicate CC permits are $25/ea.
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The Luby's incident was one of the main reasons the CHL law was passed in Texas.

After Katrina hit New Orleans, their gangs moved to Houston because Houston gave the free apartments, free electricity and gas. They would follow business owners home and rob them in their driveways or follow them from Sam's club and rob them of the cigarettes that they had bought for their stores.

I have an embroidery business that I sometimes run a second shift and was advised by my local police, who I do a lot of work for, to get a CHL I did. I have always had guns and am an army veteran. I am not looking to shoot anyone, but I am not looking to redistribute my belongings to some crook either.

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Well, I hate to disagree, but I think the public at large has a right to know who runs around in public with a firearm. I have several guns and was an avid hunter until a few years ago. I really have no problem with people owning firearms and using them for target practice, recreation or hunting, but I draw the line on carrying concealed weapons in public places.

For one thing, there are a lot of hot heads around and what is to stop some guy with a bad temper from jerking out a weapon and blasting someone else for cutting him off in traffic or saying something that offended him in a bar. This has happened in my state several times in the recent past.

A lot of those carrying concealed weapons see themselves as saviors of society and dream of taking out a terrorist or some other malcontent. The problem is, to know how to handle a weapon in a emergency situation takes a lot more training than 8 hours of concealed weapons class, taught by a redneck. If the police respond to a real situation with an armed gunman and some concealed weapons guy jerks out a pistol, he is going to get shot.

Also, if you shoot someone you better be able to prove that he was a threat to your life, or that he initiated the situation, or you will get sued or go to jail or both. I suspect it is better to leave law enforcement to those who are trained and are professionals.
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Well, I hate to disagree, but I think the public at large has a right to know who runs around in public with a firearm. I have several guns and was an avid hunter until a few years ago. I really have no problem with people owning firearms and using them for target practice, recreation or hunting, but I draw the line on carrying concealed weapons in public places.

For one thing, there are a lot of hot heads around and what is to stop some guy with a bad temper from jerking out a weapon and blasting someone else for cutting him off in traffic or saying something that offended him in a bar. This has happened in my state several times in the recent past.

A lot of those carrying concealed weapons see themselves as saviors of society and dream of taking out a terrorist or some other malcontent. The problem is, to know how to handle a weapon in a emergency situation takes a lot more training than 8 hours of concealed weapons class, taught by a redneck. If the police respond to a real situation with an armed gunman and some concealed weapons guy jerks out a pistol, he is going to get shot.

Also, if you shoot someone you better be able to prove that he was a threat to your life, or that he initiated the situation, or you will get sued or go to jail or both. I suspect it is better to leave law enforcement to those who are trained and are professionals.
This is definitely the most IGNORANT and MORONIC comment on concealed carry laws and the people that apply for CHLs that I have ever read.


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Several screwy statements you've made here.

So next time a fellow with road rage pulls something, I'll roll down the window and ask him his name so I can check my database to see if he's carrying.. then I'll know how to proceed.

You talk to a lot of folks that conceal carry and ask them if they have a savior complex?

What exactly do you mean redneck? So all firearms instructors are rednecks.

You oughta write a book on how to piss off people who conceal carry and those who train them to conceal carry.

Thanks for the civics lesson and legal advice. I for one appreciate it because I must not be smart enough to realize that if I ever had to use a firearm to stop or kill a human being, I better have a good reason. Hmm, go figure.

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Well, I hate to disagree, but I think the public at large has a right to know who runs around in public with a firearm. I have several guns and was an avid hunter until a few years ago. I really have no problem with people owning firearms and using them for target practice, recreation or hunting, but I draw the line on carrying concealed weapons in public places.

For one thing, there are a lot of hot heads around and what is to stop some guy with a bad temper from jerking out a weapon and blasting someone else for cutting him off in traffic or saying something that offended him in a bar. This has happened in my state several times in the recent past.

A lot of those carrying concealed weapons see themselves as saviors of society and dream of taking out a terrorist or some other malcontent. The problem is, to know how to handle a weapon in a emergency situation takes a lot more training than 8 hours of concealed weapons class, taught by a redneck. If the police respond to a real situation with an armed gunman and some concealed weapons guy jerks out a pistol, he is going to get shot.

Also, if you shoot someone you better be able to prove that he was a threat to your life, or that he initiated the situation, or you will get sued or go to jail or both. I suspect it is better to leave law enforcement to those who are trained and are professionals.
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Obviously, this is an emotional issue. I probably should have not have used the term "Redneck" and implied that those who carry concealed weapons do so because they have a hero complex. It is impossible to label everyone who is passionate about an issue. However, I also do not appreciate the personal attacks I received on this forum for my opinion, e.g., morainic posts etc.

I stand by my the basic statement of my original post, that the public at large has a right to know who is packing a deadly weapon in public places. If I go into a nightclub, I definitely do not want to get involved with someone who is packing heat.


As for the statement that I am clueless about the issue. I live in a state that issues more permits per capita than any other. I personally know several people who teach permit classes and I know dozens of people who carry concealed weapons. I also personally know several people who have been involved in confrontations with permit holders and I know many who have had their permits revoked for infractions. One state legislator pulled a pistol and fired a shot over the heads of some teenagers, because he thought they were stealing hubcaps. (this was later proven false.)

I personally own 8 sidearms, I have no desire to carry them concealed in public, because I think carrying a concealed weapon is far more likely to result in an accident, injury or death of an innocent by-stander than it is to protect the innocent from criminals.

This is my opinion, I do not want to offend, but I have a right to express my opinion and I expect to be treated with respect on this forum. If you want to disagree, state your position, but do not get personal.
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I stand by my the basic statement of my original post, that the public at large has a right to know who is packing a deadly weapon in public places. If I go into a nightclub, I definitely do not want to get involved with someone who is packing heat.
So, you find someone you want to start some crap with...ask them their name, cross check it with the list of hundreds in your area to make sure it is "safe" to say/do something to them..by that time your ass is handed to you on a platter.
WHY does anyone have the right to know what anyone else owns or may have on their person? They don't!
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So, all of these people you know are rednecks and or have a "hero complex"? Do they know that you think so highly of them?
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No! if you want to pack a gun, pack it where I can see it. Then I can avoid you like the plague. Now can we let this go.
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This is my opinion, I do not want to offend, but I have a right to express my opinion and I expect to be treated with respect on this forum. If you want to disagree, state your position, but do not get personal.
No offense taken. I apologize for using the word 'clueless', that was an unfair characterization. I can only say the information I have actively tried to gather in the topic does not agree at all with your description of permit holders or instructors. I have actually made an effort to bring this topic up at every opportunity over the last twenty-five or so years with many friends from patrol officers to Secret Service.

The OP in this thread was expressing a concern about the names and other personal information of concealed carry permit holders being subject to public disclosure, your first response and subsequent attempt at clarification seems to convey that you don't believe people should be allowed to carry concealed. You have to realize that the public disclosure of permit holder's names and other personal information will not address the concerns you raise in any way. I find it very disquieting that there is even passing consideration given to disclosing the personal information of any group of individuals involved in a lawful activity. What group would be next? People who drink alcohol, people who smoke cigars, people who own motorcycles - Republicans? The ACLU has successfully argued against the disclosure of sex offender's names as subjecting them to prejudicial scrutiny.

I believe that CCW (that is what they are called in Colorado) permits should be issued to anyone who qualifies under the laws in place. I certainly have no objection to reasonable and proper qualifications before the issuance of a permit. I also think that the permit of any person who does not use their weapon in a responsible manner should be summarily revoked. I honestly think that you wouldn't see the broadening of reciprocity and the growth of 'shall issue' statutes if there were the associated problems with permit holders you describe. Additionally to argue against the rights of a large group of lawful citizens, because of the inappropriate actions of a few is a road we really don't want to travel. Drinking and driving kills thousands - do we refuse to issue a driver's license to people who drink - or do we have to outlaw the sale of alcoholic beverages? Children are sometimes injured by weapons in their own homes, do we make it illegal for you to keep a weapon in your home? There are many risks we face every day and the only way we can mitigate those risks is through others exercising personal responsibility. The more rights that are eroded in the name of the 'greater good', the less inclined the general public will be to exercise personal responsibility. We should never limit the rights of all who act responsibly, because of the few who do not.

All opinions should be treated with respect, regardless of the position they espouse, but we all need to be careful when we describe the people on the opposing side from our opinion. When you say "A lot of those carrying concealed weapons see themselves as saviors of society and dream of taking out a terrorist or some other malcontent. The problem is, to know how to handle a weapon in a emergency situation takes a lot more training than 8 hours of concealed weapons class, taught by a redneck" you are painting a negative image of a group of people, using a very broad brush. If you state your position by denigrating a large portion of those who might disagree, you will have to expect an equivalent response.

With regard to describing your comments as "IGNORANT and MORONIC", I would tend to agree that they seem a little 'ignorant', but I also agree that it was inappropriate to label them as 'moronic'.

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Randy: I agree with you I did us a broad brush in describing concealed carry permit holders and instructors, and for that I apologize. We all need to appreciate others opinions and consider their side of the argument. A little consideration and respect goes a long way in dealing with life. Anyway, I was a little opinionated and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.
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Randy: I agree with you I did us a broad brush in describing concealed carry permit holders and instructors, and for that I apologize. We all need to appreciate others opinions and consider their side of the argument. A little consideration and respect goes a long way in dealing with life. Anyway, I was a little opinionated and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.
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I stand by my the basic statement of my original post, that the public at large has a right to know who is packing a deadly weapon in public places. If I go into a nightclub, I definitely do not want to get involved with someone who is packing heat.

Why? because they had had to pass a background check to be sure they have not been invlolved in crimes?

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As for the statement that I am clueless about the issue. I live in a state that issues more permits per capita than any other. I personally know several people who teach permit classes and I know dozens of people who carry concealed weapons. I also personally know several people who have been involved in confrontations with permit holders and I know many who have had their permits revoked for infractions. One state legislator pulled a pistol and fired a shot over the heads of some teenagers, because he thought they were stealing hubcaps. (this was later proven false.)

I personally own 8 sidearms, I have no desire to carry them concealed in public, because I think carrying a concealed weapon is far more likely to result in an accident, injury or death of an innocent by-stander than it is to protect the innocent from criminals.

This is my opinion, I do not want to offend, but I have a right to express my opinion and I expect to be treated with respect on this forum. If you want to disagree, state your position, but do not get personal.
why not? you have got personal, your statments blatenly suggested those who carry are idiots.

I mean I just saw this and that is the first thing I came to think from your posts, that you are clueless about CCW holders.
Statistically there are far fewer prioeblems from ccw's holders than non ccw's holder when it comes to illegal activities with firearms

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This is definitely the most IGNORANT and MORONIC comment on concealed carry laws and the people that apply for CHLs that I have ever read.
yea, a real redneck would never apply for a CCW, for one thing they don;t go far from home and carry a rifle a shotgun and a 45 in thier trucks!

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You burst into this discussion and state your opinion with the elegance of a clueless rube by painting your broad swath of stereotypical bullshit; therefore, your words received exactly the respect they deserved - IGNORANT and MORONIC. Everyone is welcome to express an opinion, but if you're going to dish out an opinion based on inaccurate stereotypes and in a condescending manner, you should expect to be called on it.



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Well, I hate to disagree, but I think the public at large has a right to know who runs around in public with a firearm. I have several guns and was an avid hunter until a few years ago. I really have no problem with people owning firearms and using them for target practice, recreation or hunting, but I draw the line on carrying concealed weapons in public places.

For one thing, there are a lot of hot heads around and what is to stop some guy with a bad temper from jerking out a weapon and blasting someone else for cutting him off in traffic or saying something that offended him in a bar. This has happened in my state several times in the recent past.

A lot of those carrying concealed weapons see themselves as saviors of society and dream of taking out a terrorist or some other malcontent. The problem is, to know how to handle a weapon in a emergency situation takes a lot more training than 8 hours of concealed weapons class, taught by a redneck. If the police respond to a real situation with an armed gunman and some concealed weapons guy jerks out a pistol, he is going to get shot.

Also, if you shoot someone you better be able to prove that he was a threat to your life, or that he initiated the situation, or you will get sued or go to jail or both. I suspect it is better to leave law enforcement to those who are trained and are professionals.
We heard all these arguments against CHL's when it first came up. The law passed by a huge margin and guess what...none of that dooms day stuff happened. It was almost 18 months before the first CHL shooting took place and it was justified. In the years since we have been able to carry there has been two bad shoots by people with CHL's and both occured in locations where they were not legally supposed to carry them anyway. Come up with some new material cause these no longer apply.

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If you live in Oregon and don't have a gun safe, suggest you get one. What criminal mind wouldn't love to have a list of addresses where guns are kept? Myself and friends with concealed carry permits tend to keep several guns in the house. WTF is Oregon thinking? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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My dear friend was killed ...
I think "CHL" licenses are ridiculous... and one day will not be required... that is what I hope.
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Perhaps it is time to contribute some "data".

Here is the Texas CHL website http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../chlsindex.htm where I got the following data.

Using CHL conviction rates http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...Report2006.pdf, for 2006 (the most recent report), of the 61,539 convictions, 140 were CHL holders, a percentage of 0.2275% of the total convictions. There is no mention of whether firearms were used, although there "aggravated" numbers in the breakout.... as well as sex crimes...etc.. all crime that was "convicted".

The department states as of 2007 there were 288,909 "active" CHL holders in Texas. That's a percentage of 0.00048% "convictions" using the 2006 conviction rate and 2007 "active" CHL holders.

Some may twist this to say... "See, CHL holders commit crimes!"
Some may say... "Texas should not allow CHL! "
Some may say... "Give us their addresses!"

B.S.

To me, this clearly shows that the conviction rate for CHL holders is far less than the "general population" ...

The CHL does NOT enable someone to carry. It is only to REGISTER persons who MAY carry.

Do you think criminals give a rat? Do you think the guy who killed our friends cares what you think?

Look, these concerns are worth listening from all sides. The Texas Legislature listened, too.

All things being equal, the crime rate by CHL holders will rise as more of the population becomes "certified".... just another way of "proving" data points... and perhaps opinions.... you'll notice when they compare a previous year's number of convictions "increase"... but, that's just the way they work the numbers...

What it comes down to, is, are you "condition one and only", willing to defend yourself... (not ATTACK someone) or a taped outline on the floor.

Oh, if they want our addresses.. here's where to find them:

http://www.texasonline.com/portal/tol it's called "Texas"....

http://www.comeandtakeit.com/txhist.html

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....I probably should have not have used the term "Redneck" and implied that those who carry concealed weapons do so because they have a hero complex....However, I also do not appreciate the personal attacks I received on this forum for my opinion, e.g., moronic posts etc....I have a right to express my opinion and I expect to be treated with respect on this forum. If you want to disagree, state your position, but do not get personal.
WTF? You got "personal" by throwing around a few amusing terms, such as "redneck" and "savior," etc. Then, when you get bitch slapped back, you wanna whine?! May I offer you some cheese with that?

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I think the intent is obvious: to dissuade people from applying for/carrying a CCW.

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I stand by my the basic statement of my original post, that the public at large has a right to know who is packing a deadly weapon in public places. If I go into a nightclub, I definitely do not want to get involved with someone who is packing heat.
Dude, we as a group have been pretty hard on you,
mostly because you're talking about things you obviously don't know much about.

For your information it is against the law to "carry" in a nightclub, sports arena, school, court house etc. etc.

And I disagree,
you don't have "the right" to know anything about me!


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If I go into a nightclub, I definitely do not want to get involved with someone who is packing heat.
We go out to have fun, not cause trouble in nightclubs. You should try it sometime.

Conflict resolution is a great thang, and it's taught in the course.

I'm not sure how many of us on this board you know personally. I've never met one here, yet, that came out swinging.



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Dude, we as a group have been pretty hard on you,
mostly because you're talking about things you obviously don't know much about.

For your information it is against the law to "carry" in a nightclub, sports arena, school, court house etc. etc.

And I disagree,
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In most States that I know of you can not take a weapon into a bar or a night club. It is against the law. As far as the police only being a few seconds away that is not always true. I lived in a rather large county in Washington State and there response time to me was more like 45 minutes to an hour. When I was getting threatened by two yahoos that were drunk and threaten deadly force it took then two hours to respond.

MAybe in the large cities the response time is quicker. I hope so.
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I lived in a rather large county in Washington State and there response time to me was more like 45 minutes to an hour. When I was getting threatened by two yahoos that were drunk and threaten deadly force it took then two hours to respond.

MAybe in the large cities the response time is quicker. I hope so.
Yeppir, and therefor the sarcasm in my previous post. Our response time is the same as yours- for an emergency. If it's an alarm, like the household burglar type, 2 hours is norm.



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Dude, we as a group have been pretty hard on you,
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For your information it is against the law to "carry" in a nightclub, sports arena, school, court house etc. etc.

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