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For those of us who are classified as baby boomers it's been one hell of a ride. I remember JFK getting elected, getting assassinated, the Cuban missile crises, protesting the Vietnam War, race riots in the streets, the hope that RFK gave me as a young teenager and the sadness of he's assassination along with Martin Luther King, the proudness I felt when I watched a US astronaut walk on the moon and when the Berlin wall fell, the sadness and rage I felt when the towers fell. Obama's win last night is another chapter in that book.

Who couldn't be prouder to be an American at this time in our history? Even those who didn't vote for Obama. Could you not be proud that a person that came from such humble beginnings became president of the greatest country on earth? What better lesson can there be for your sons and daughters then this.

As I stayed up late last night to see and hear Obama's moving acceptance speech I found myself wondering how great this is at the same time wondering how the hell are we going to accomplish all these things. The only thing he really needs to do for me is to once and for all put us on the road to energy independence. I would just love to see the middle east drown in their own oil. If he did just that, four years from now he'll win by epic proportions. However even if he accomplishes that would I really be satisfied? Probably not.

When my wife Marie went to work today she asked me how I felt since she went to bed before the election results ( gets up a few hours before the crack of dawn for work) and she knew first hand what this election meant to me. I said "I felt good", her reply "that's it?" "What do you want me to do back flips?" I could see the puzzlement on her face as she left for work thinking is this guy ever satisfied?

I haven't raced for some years now but once your a racer your always a racer and as a racer your never satisfied. You never have the perfect car or motorcycle, you never do the perfect lap, you can win a race and after that short burst of joy your wondering how I'm going to win the next one. The strive for perfection that will never come but you always try to achieve.

I think we as Americans are just like racers, we solve a problem and just go on to the next never really basking that long in the success but always looking for new challenges. Maybe that's what makes this country what it is? Maybe that's what makes us so different then the rest of the world.

There are great things that are about to happen in this country. This economy will boom like never before. It won't happen overnight but it'll be faster then the pundits are predicting. We're back on track, this is only but one more chapter in the baby boomers book and it's certainly won't be the last!
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So many hopes and dreams were fulfilled last night; it is, in my mind, the pinnacle moment of our lives as Americans.

Reading the spirit of the man, assessing his mettle, intellect, determination, integrity, forthrightness, conviction, apparent honesty and passion. There is not a candidate before Obama in my memory that exemplifies all those characteristics to such a degree as he has demonstrated.

There's consistency in his behavior, demeanor, pattern of speaking, tone; his mindfulness and eloquence he has demonstrated throughout these last 18 months speaks volumes. His campaign staff was disciplined, and tight. Nobody jumped ship. That is leadership.

Then... reading his face during his acceptance speech last night, there's something else... he's a tough son-of-a-bitch; his determination to accomplish what he sets out to do is best not to be underestimated by anyone... least of all the stalwart republicans that think they can usurp his will. He undermined the entire Rove playbook strategy by tapping the most valuable resource at his disposal. Hope.

Yes we can. It's not divisive.. it's inclusive.. and determinative. And, yes... we will.

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....at the same time wondering how the hell are we going to accomplish all these things. The only thing he really needs to do for me is to once and for all put us on the road to energy independence. I would just love to see the middle east drown in their own oil. If he did just that, four years from now he'll win by epic proportions....
That would be a MAJOR accomplishment, indeed. In order to do that in a short period of time, we will have to exploit ALL options--including DRILLING for crude and harvesting our expansive hi-grade coal reserves.
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....I think we as Americans are just like racers, we solve a problem and just go on to the next never really basking that long in the success but always looking for new challenges. Maybe that's what makes this country what it is? Maybe that's what makes us so different then the rest of the world....
What makes this country what it is, is FREEDOM. What makes us different from the rest of the world--better than the rest of the world--is the FREEDOM that allows each individual to reach their maximum potential. As long as we have an ever expanding, invasive nanny-state big government, our freedoms--and greatness--are being incurred upon.
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....There are great things that are about to happen in this country. This economy will boom like never before....
Great things will happen if we set the stage for them. As long as we continue with more and more deficit spending, government spending ever expanding, year after year, the economy will never reach it's full potential. As long as so many people participate in unchecked greed, the economy will never reach it's full potential. We must maintain a steady, deciplined approach....Kind of like we teach our kids.
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So many hopes and dreams were fulfilled last night; it is, in my mind, the pinnacle moment of our lives as Americans.

Reading the spirit of the man, assessing his mettle, intellect, determination, integrity, forthrightness, conviction, apparent honesty and passion. There is not a candidate before Obama in my memory that exemplifies all those characteristics to such a degree as he has demonstrated.

There's consistency in his behavior, demeanor, pattern of speaking, tone; his mindfulness and eloquence he has demonstrated throughout these last 18 months speaks volumes. His campaign staff was disciplined, and tight. Nobody jumped ship. That is leadership....
Hope and dreams are nice, but they have no power. Only concrete actions have power. Leadership is not based on hope and dreams, but on action. If Obama's consistency carries on into concrete actions--such as addressing our tremendous thirst for foreign oil--then hopes and dreams turn into positive reality. I'll take this version of reality, anytime.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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And then all the hope and change and change and hope gets washed away when Obama announces his Chief of Staff. Rahm Emanuel is to the left what Karl Rove is to the right.

House GOP leader John Boehner of Ohio called Emanuel "an ironic choice for a president-elect who has promised to change Washington, make politics more civil, and govern from the center." time.com

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On the other hand, longtime Illinois Republican Representative Ray La Hood said, "The idea that Rahm is a guy who just can't get along with Republicans is not true. The truth is in politics, you can count your friends on one or two hands, but he's been a true friend"


"This is a wise choice by President-elect Obama," said Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who negotiated presidential-debate details with Mr. Emanuel. "Rahm knows Capitol Hill and has great political skills. He can be a tough partisan but also understands the need to work together. He is well-suited for the position of White House chief of staff."


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John Boehner, Rahm Emanuel bald face, vicious, self serving liars of opposing political gangs.

Thumbs up for winning the election.

Now, down to the dirty business of paying off backers, destroying the opposing gang, winning re-election, getting enough campaign contributions to end government funded presidential campaigns, and becoming more powerful than the other cult leaders in his gang.

I remember the elation when Jerry Ford became President--lasted about 2-3 weeks.

My belief is that it is impossible to escape Congressional corruption. Each party is simply a gang with charismatic members trying to rise to the top while diverting as much tax payer funds to insure gang survival and growth.

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....Hope and dreams are nice, but they have no power. Only concrete actions have power. Leadership is not based on hope and dreams, but on action. If Obama's consistency carries on into concrete actions--such as addressing our tremendous thirst for foreign oil--then hopes and dreams turn into positive reality. I'll take this version of reality, anytime.

Amen on that... and pay close attention to detail... Leadership happens in big and small things alike... it knows no task boundary. And True leaders... exude leadership traits in all that they do... I submit to this forum, we finally did it right...we got one at the helm.

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....I remember the elation when Jerry Ford became President--lasted about 2-3 weeks....
was that when he tripped off the stage? or was it the aircraft ladder, or ..... Obama has had so many screw ups these last few months.. don't know where to begin to describe one that stands out worse than the others.. . Jerry was definitely a higher functioning President Elect...we're screwed.

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There are great things that are about to happen in this country. This economy will boom like never before. It won't happen overnight but it'll be faster then the pundits are predicting. We're back on track, this is only but one more chapter in the baby boomers book and it's certainly won't be the last!
This is wishful thinking. The "recovery" is going to be slow and painful. Electing "him" as president isn't some magical cure-all for our ills and if you think it is you need to join the ranks of "Smilin' Bob".

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John Boehner, Rahm Emanuel, bald face, vicious, self serving liars of opposing political gangs....Thumbs up for winning the election....Now, down to the dirty business of paying off backers, destroying the opposing gang, winning re-election, getting enough campaign contributions to end government funded presidential campaigns, and becoming more powerful than the other cult leaders in his gang....My belief is that it is impossible to escape Congressional corruption. Each party is simply a gang with charismatic members trying to rise to the top while diverting as much tax payer funds to insure gang survival and growth....
Great analysis, Bob. You're so right and it will take a REAL leader to stop this.
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Amen on that... and pay close attention to detail... Leadership happens in big and small things alike... it knows no task boundary. And True leaders... exude leadership traits in all that they do... I submit to this forum, we finally did it right...we got one at the helm.
What you mean, knight, is that we HOPE we finally did it right and have a leader. In reality, we won't know for TWO years, at least--but to be fair--probably more like FOUR years.

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Don't shoot me down for this guys. I am an outsider, live in 'liberal' Europe and am far more left wing than any Euro politician.
Over the last few years, I have noticed more and more people complaining about the US attitude to the rest of the world. Not the people, the 'powers that be'.
I went to Turkey in the 80s and you couldn't say a bad word about the US to them Turks. They loved you so much they would send their children to you - literally! Last year, I wouldn't have wanted an American accent there.
It isn't just the US of course; the UK has been on a popularity downward spiral since B'Liar got in with Bush. Ted Simonds (of Jupiters Travels fame) found out in the 60s that his best passport was the Union Jack on his Triumph motorbike. On his latest trip round the world, he had to take the flag off!
Now we can all say 'I don't give a hoot about what the world thinks of us' BUT, we do when it comes to trade and co-operation. Sure, politicians make the trade rules and the people don't get much say. But how do the politicians get in power, on the good side of the people? By using their fears and likes/dislikes as a campaign tool. So it does count in the end, if you are liked aboard.
I you had asked me 4 years ago 'would an African American get into power in the USA'? I would have said 'yes, one day'. Probably not in my lifetime though. I would certainly not have imagined that it would be a man who has a lifetime voting average conservative rating of just 7.67% from the ACU, and a lifetime average liberal rating of 90 percent from the ADA!!
This is a man who can really change the US standing in the world.
I never got to remember JFK, I was too young. But for me, this seems to be the chance of a lifetime. This is a man who has spent his life empowering people.
This board seems to me, to be made up of self made, successful people. People who are proud to have made it and don't see why anything should be given to those that don't try. But there is a massive difference between being given something for nothing and being given a chance. Being empowered is the only chance many people need. Part of that empowerment is the knowledge that you do, actually have a chance of making it. When you have no hope, why bother? When everyone around you says you don't have a chance, why put yourself through it?

Some people with money get real uptight when people say 'aren’t you lucky', they reply 'No! I worked hard for what I have'.
I was a school dropout and an uneducated, basic wage worker for 15 years. Well I say I am lucky. I was lucky that someone gave me a chance, empowered me by making me believe I could do something if I worked hard enough for it. Many people don't ever get that chance.
All I am saying, I guess, is that I think the US needs this new liberal thinker, a bit of effort in empowering people and the rewards will be a much more affluent country, one where things like health care reforms will be a small tax rise for everyone, rather than a big tax rise for a few. If you spend your life looking over your shoulder worried about what happens if you are ill and lose your job and medical insurance, do you do a good job?
There are countries in the EU that pay you 80% of your wages of your last job if you are out of work - do they have people who don't bother working? Hardly. I was even offered a job in one of these countries and as a foreign worker would have got the same benefits after 9 months!! People WANT to work. People WANT to feel they are of use. People WANT to succeed. Some people need a helping hand to achieve what they are capable of. Usually this is for a short time only. Once they are on their way, there is no stopping them.
Lastly, the 'Black' thing. It is almost a non-issue, and will be soon enough.
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This is wishful thinking. The "recovery" is going to be slow and painful. Electing "him" as president isn't some magical cure-all for our ills and if you think it is you need to join the ranks of "Smilin' Bob".
No one said it was magical, just faster then the pundits are predicting. Do you think it will be 5 or 10 years as some of the so called experts have said for this economy to rebound? Many if not all of the same experts were predicting $5.00 a gallon gas by now, heating oil so expensive that people could not afford it,so a few my friends and relatives didn't listen to me and pre purchased their oil allotment for the year this past summer. I told them all along not to pre purchase their allotment this year, just go with the market price when you needed a delivery. So they purchased their 1000 gallons at 4.75 per gallon based on fear. Today's market price for home heating oil here in SE PA delivered $2.09.
This is how I see the economy; we will float around the bottom for the next few months. This will not be a good Christmas for retailers however it really won't be much worse then last year. Starting mid to late winter we'll start to see the economy make it's climb, some retailers will see this but the "experts" won't until mid spring, somewhere around May or June. Next summer will be better then this past summer for retailers and you'll start to see the "experts" talk about how the economy is starting to rebound. By this time next year we'll be in full economic recovery. Two years from today the stock market will be back to where it was before it crashed in September and people will be kicking themselves in the ass for not buying such and such stock two years ago. Three years from today we'll be booming.
There you have it. Feel better now?
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Do you think it will be 5 or 10 years as some of the so called experts have said for this economy to rebound? Many if not all of the same experts were predicting $5.00 a gallon gas by now,
Yes, I do.
Wern't you paying attention? Gas DID hit nearly $5/gallon.
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....I am an outsider, live in 'liberal' Europe and am far more left wing than any Euro politician....
Doesn't make you a bad person, Cookie. You just go through life by the seat of your emotions!
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I don't know about Europe, but let let me explain what time it is in the big city streets of America to you: when people loose half their retirement, practically overnight, there's only one color/race they see--GREEN! When people get scared, really scared, all that race shit goes right out the window. So, does it surprise me that a black man was elected? Not in the slightest. Obama could have been purple with one eye--as long as he was a democrat--he would have been elected.
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....This is a man who has spent his life empowering people....
I guess it depends on your definition of "empowering." If your talking about things like big, nanny-state, government socialised medicine, that is not empowering but enslaving. Rather than a physical slave master, you have an economic slave master. Slavery, none the less.
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....a bit of effort in empowering people and the rewards will be a much more affluent country, one where things like health care reforms will be a small tax rise for everyone, rather than a big tax rise for a few....
Again, this would depend on your definition of "affluent." If your definition of affluent is a BIG tax increase for EVERYONE and an INFERIOR healthcare system, than you're right! Those that cannot affort a big tax increase will just be stuck, waiting as socialised healthcare is rationed to them.
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....People WANT to work. People WANT to feel they are of use. People WANT to succeed.....
Well, I cannot speak to Europe, but i can speak to big city America. Many, many people DO NOT want to work--or be of any use--or want to succeed. This is where tough love comes in. AND yeah, it's gonna hurt me much more than it hurts you. But that's a real love for your community. Knowing that pain is often the best teacher. That's why it's called tough love!

The easiest, most cowardly thing one can do is exactly what we do now: throw a hand out at people. Sure, it's painless to me, but oh so destructive to the recipient.
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....Wern't you paying attention? Gas DID hit nearly $5/gallon.
Yes, but only in this reality.

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Yes, I do.
Wern't you paying attention? Gas DID hit nearly $5/gallon.
Yes it did but what is it now?
I'm doing a show in NJ at the moment Reg $1.98 a gallon......now that's change we can believe in!
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I'm doing a show in NJ at the moment Reg $1.98 a gallon......now that's change we can believe in!
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Yes it did but what is it now?
I'm doing a show in NJ at the moment Reg $1.98 a gallon......now that's change we can believe in!
What kind of drugs are you on? You think Nobama had ANYTHING to do with that? Think again.
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What kind of drugs are you on? You think Nobama had ANYTHING to do with that? Think again.
I think your completly missing the point, you may want to go back and reread the posts.
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I think your completly missing the point, you may want to go back and reread the posts.
I'm VERY clear on what was said. You used "change", ,the "power word" used by what's his name's campaign. The dropping price of crude is NOt a sign of an improving economy.
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So....change is good - folding money is better
Well Randy, after the EVIL big oil companies got thrown out of the white house (official corporate HQ's), gas IMMEDIATELY dropped to $1.98 a gallon! Now do you understand?

Oh, I would get used to that change, cause that's all we're gonna have left.
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Proof positive how we are never satisfied!
I stand corrected: we can always PRINT more money. Let that be a lesson to me!

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I'm VERY clear on what was said. You used "change", ,the "power word" used by what's his name's campaign. The dropping price of crude is NOt a sign of an improving economy.
You need to relax a bit. I was poking fun of using the word change along with Randy. No one ever said the drop of crude was a sign of a improving economy, but let me remind you that crude was on it's way down before the stock market tanked in September. So why was that? The experts in the spring said China and India would take all the surplus oil they could find thus we would never in our lifetime see gas under $2.00 a gallon. The pundits are usually wrong, most of them have no real world experience.
I have forecasted every downturn and upswing in the economy to friends and family for the past 22 years, even my accountant now takes me seriously. I predict this current economic climate. This country has been headed in the wrong direction for 8 years and if you take our so called past energy policies you can add 22 years to that. It's all about to change my friend and that's change you really can believe in!
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You need to relax a bit. I was poking fun of using the word change along with Randy. No one ever said the drop of crude was a sign of a improving economy, but let me remind you that crude was on it's way down before the stock market tanked in September. So why was that? The experts in the spring said China and India would take all the surplus oil they could find thus we would never in our lifetime see gas under $2.00 a gallon. The pundits are usually wrong, most of them have no real world experience.
I have forecasted every downturn and upswing in the economy to friends and family for the past 22 years, even my accountant now takes me seriously. I predict this current economic climate. This country has been headed in the wrong direction for 8 years and if you take our so called past energy policies you can add 22 years to that. It's all about to change my friend and that's change you really can believe in!
Wow, I am in awe. I thought some of our California brothers were full of themselves but you take the cake.

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Wow, I am in awe. I thought some of our California brothers were full of themselves but you take the cake.
Dan, nobody on the left-coast could ever be full of themselves!

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Well, I cannot speak to Europe, but i can speak to big city America. Many, many people DO NOT want to work--or be of any use--or want to succeed.
I hope you are wrong about Americans not wanting to work. It sure isn't like that here. I suspect it isn't really like that there, but maybe we sent the B-Ark to the collonies, you could be right.

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I hope you are wrong about Americans not wanting to work. It sure isn't like that here. I suspect it isn't really like that there, but maybe we sent the B-Ark to the collonies, you could be right.
That is very good that people are not like that in Europe. Here, when you're talking about THIRD and FOURTH generation welfare recipients--people who have never had a job....Well, it's almost impossible to undo the damage.

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I hope you are wrong about Americans not wanting to work.
Too many generalizations. Many Americans want to work, to be paid fairly for it, and to be able to afford a decent life for their families. But we also have the "welfare generation" that believes everything should be handed to them without much effort on their part.

I suspect Britain has a similar mix of folks. Just look to the nearest Council Estate . . .

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I suspect Britain has a similar mix of folks. Just look to the nearest Council Estate . . .
I lived on those estates for 15 years and plenty of snobs in this country probably think the people who live there are scum. But I swear every person I met there would work till their hands bled if they believed they had a chance of escaping that life.

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I lived on those estates for 15 years and plenty of snobs in this country probably think the people who live there are scum. But I swear every person I met there would work till their hands bled if they believed they had a chance of escaping that life.
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I lived on those estates for 15 years and plenty of snobs in this country probably think the people who live there are scum. But I swear every person I met there would work till their hands bled if they believed they had a chance of escaping that life.
Hence my comment about a mix of folks, even in the Estates. Some really do want out, if they only knew how, and some are content to just sit back and take.

A friend who helped manage one said they passed a rule bumping unwed mothers to the top of the housing placement list to benefit the children. Suddenly, girls figured out that pregnant = house, and the unwed pregnancy rates skyrocketed. Even those who were in committed relationships wouldn't marry as they'd lose benefits, so their boyfriends just moved into the housing at no cost.

Social welfare is occasionally necessary, but should always have limits and should never become a career option. We have families here in the US that have been on welfare for generations, and they have no real incentive to do anything about it.

Then again, the rate of corporate welfare has been on the rise here too, so you can't seem to win for losing.

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Nothing happens without them.
Hopes and dreams are great, and yes, CAN lead to action. Leadership is based on that action.

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