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Is Bush really the problem???

Just a few thoughts, take them as you will.

t makes you wonder .....

This email comes in three parts....Make sure you read all three parts!

Part 1
In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?


Thought you might like to read the following:

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Remember it's Congress that makes law - not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama

If it the greatest nation in history, Why do we want to change it

Are we THAT stupid?

Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML


Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 &n bsp; 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K ? taxed $ 31,250


Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.

If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.


PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Read on...

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.


1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRI...01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. & nbsp;$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark ? Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ."
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml


The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Are we THAT stupid?

If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you continue to forward it to every legal resident in the country including every representative in Washington , D.C. until restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof.

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post #2 of 16 Old Oct 29th, 2008, 11:18 am
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Re: Is Bush really the problem???

This is a cut and paste. While we are not deleting them any more, I still consider this to be spamming our forums.

This does not mean I either agree or disagree with the information presented, just that I would prefer our members show their own capacity for critical thought and post in their own words.

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Nice try, but most voters, at least, seem to have reached other conclusions from the same data.

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Re: Is Bush really the problem???

IMO, and quite simply, no. The man is a well chosen figure head for a Global Strategic Command, and has been a very useful tool created to see how much fear, personal loss, and death the masses are willing to endure before attempting to make a stand, if that is even possible.

This 75 min film goes a long way in explaining how the strategy has been designed and put into motion.

http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title...nd_of_america/

For those with too little time or desire to watch, here is the link for the four minute trailer:
http://myamericaproject.org/

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=how+many+ti...of-the-time%2F
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I did not know about the cut and paste rule. This is not my opinion but just food for thought.

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The short answer is yes. Bush and the ideology that trashes government in favor of markets. Lets take them one at a time.

The economy was never in great shape during the Bush administration. Comparisons are always made to 2002 which was the depth of the 1st recession. The currant congress is ineffective because Bush can veto anything that doesn't have a 60 vote majority in the Senate. Change can't happen.

Immigration is not a partisan problem. Neither party has an answer. I don't think that costs are anywhere near those outlined. Don't forget that the USA also benefits from low wage people doing work. Landscaping, roofing, agriculture, restaurants, all oppose any solution that would deprive them of low cost workers.

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The currant congress is ineffective because Bush can veto anything that doesn't have a 60 vote majority in the Senate. Change can't happen.
What has Bush vetoed?

More importantly, judging from the mess that congress has made of the Fannie/Freddie "solution", are you willing to eliminating the very important check against a congress run amok?

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The short answer is yes. Bush and the ideology that trashes government in favor of markets. Lets take them one at a time.

The economy was never in great shape during the Bush administration. Comparisons are always made to 2002 which was the depth of the 1st recession. The currant congress is ineffective because Bush can veto anything that doesn't have a 60 vote majority in the Senate. Change can't happen.

Neither party has an answer.

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Let us not forget the "wonderful condition" our buddy Bill "Cigar" Clinton left the economy in when GW took over. Remember the Dot Com Bubble?

Another thing, that little episode when those radical middle easterners attacked our country and killed around 3000 Americans, that'll blow a budget for sure.

Where do you put the priority after an attack like that, Hillary-Care?

I thanked God (over and over) after the 911 attacks that the President had the intestical fortitude to take action. I wonder if Al Gore would have "risked global warming" by bringing the fight to the aggressors? What would the "Gore Doctrine" have been? I pray we don't have to learn the "Obama Doctrine". Say what you will, we have not had another "successful" attack on US Soil since 911! Results are success.

If you are read about (or remember) those times, you'll recall Democrats and Republicans "knowing" Hussein (Saddam NOT Barack) had WMDs. Faulty intelligence is faulty intelligence. Clear hindsight says they either "never had them" or "got them out of the country" in time.

As you said, neither party is perfect (on any issue) and what, I believe, has helped make this country the best in the world is the checks and balances our Government provides. When I think of a Pelosi-Obama-Reid-Biden administration will do unchecked in a down economy, I fear for my family. I hope (if the tea leaves makes it so) that my fears will be unfounded.

Perhaps the view of Government's role is the real divisor in this country. Some think it should be minimized and others maximized. I don't know how to bridge that divide. You've got to decide which side of the handout you want to be on, the giving or the getting.

With very limited exceptions, I don't know of Government institutions that are run better than private sector institutions.

We obviously need oversight, but, we had oversight (Barney Frank and others) over Freddie and Fannie for years. Contributors to political campaigns want payback. Fannie and Freddie were BIG donors. I wonder why there are so many untraceable donations go to Obama? Since you can contribute anonymously through the internet (pre-paid cards), who is coming to collect? I hope we don't need to find out.

I got to run, I just remembered an infomercial running tonight trying to sell me on someone

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... I wonder why there are so many untraceable donations go to Obama? Since you can contribute anonymously through the internet (pre-paid cards), who is coming to collect? I hope we don't need to find out.
All you need is a credit card number to donate to the Obama campaign. No exp. date, no security code, you don't even need a matching name or billing address. How else do you raise 150 million in one month? McCain's site rejects any card that isn't up to snuf.

George Soros (sp?) has been trying to buy the White House for the last 2 elections; I guess he found a way.

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All you need is a credit card number to donate to the Obama campaign. No exp. date, no security code, you don't even need a matching name or billing address. How else do you raise 150 million in one month? McCain's site rejects any card that isn't up to snuf.

George Soros (sp?) has been trying to buy the White House for the last 2 elections; I guess he found a way.
That is what is bugging me as well.

I keep hearing that it is all Grass Roots that want him, well, 30 Million $50.00 donations in one month at a time the economy is tanking, gas prices through the roof, food going up, people losing jobs and they send him $50.00???

The coffee has been brewing a while, time to unplug the nostriles

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Personally I am ready for a "TEA PARTY" !

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I think not getting enough "bush" is a problem

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I'm afraid we don't have much choice in this election. One candidate will take us toward socialism. The other candidate will take us there faster.

I don't get too hopped up about what's on TV in my house. We never have anything "questionable" on anyway. I told my wife that there was no way "The Evil One" was going to be on here.

Yes, I said it. "The Evil One". BHO is a BAD man with bad ideas. He has declared loyalty to Africa and promised to send his dictator buddies .7% of the US' GDP. Talk about supporting people who hate us. He wants to "spread the wealth around". His words, not mine. Spread the wealth around, to me, means take something, by force, I worked for and give it to someone who didn't earn it.

All men are created equal. Some choose to use what God(yes, I said that too) put inside their head, make something of themselves, and be prosperous. Others sit around complaining about how bad things are and that GovCo isn't doing enough for them. Still others have no choice due to infirmities. I have no problem helping someone who truly can't do for themselves. Laziness is no excuse.

The US is the most charitable country on earth. We give to everyone. People donate to their churches, temples, Salvation Army, Goodwill, you name it. GovCo has no place being the middle-man, separating me from what I earn.

Libertarian: Now there's a platform I can get behind!

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Has anyone else considered that without checking actual donations, international interests that want to influence our politics could easily buy off our presidency?

Staying kinda true to my pledge not to get into the "politics." This isn't about one guy or the other- it's about the way these campaigns can be financed.
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I'm afraid we don't have much choice in this election. One candidate will take us toward socialism. The other candidate will take us there faster.
I'm afraid you are correct.

We always question if we are for the "Old Socialist" or the "Young Socialist".

I pray we can correct this mess (if it materializes) in two years!

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Anyone of you all see the info-mercial tonight and were swayed?

I am always amazed when he slips into his "preaching mode".

Personally, I haven't found myself "giving the finger" to my flat screen since my Wife had "Hard Copy" on the TV.

God Save US(A).

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