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Broken ribs?

Anybody ever break any ribs? I had an unscheduled get-off from the bike last week, and took a hit to my side. I've had a stabbing pain in my side since, which is seriously limiting my mobility. Bed time is the worst. The first couple of nights, I literally could not do it alone. Even now, it's very painful to get in and out of bed. I figure I either bruised or cracked a rib or two.

I haven't been to the doctor yet. It's my understanding that there's nothing that doctors do for broken ribs anyway. Emergency room visits are a pain, and I don't want to visit one if there's nothing to be gained. I'm afraid they're going to contort me into painful positions for X rays and confirm the inevitable -- that I have broken ribs, and there's nothing they can do.

So, what's your opinion? Go to the emergency room, another doctor, or just stay home and take it easy?

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Joel:

Glad you survived the accident. Sorry to hear about the get off.

I'd go check it out. You might have more damage that you are aware of. Ruptured spleen is very possible with broken ribs etc.

Just last week I was thinking you and several of the old timers have not posted anything in a long while.

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Go get the x-rays (I dislike hospital visits as much as the next guy). My experience was painful for quite some time and you're right, there isn't much that can be done other than a girdle type thing that keeps everything from kinda moving around. It's better to have it checked out than have something come up later. Those ribs are awful close to some very important parts, so make sure you didn't break a frame tab.

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Thanks, Raffy. My wife was worried about possible internal organ damage too. My reaction was that I'd know if I had organ damage (pee blood, or whatever), although now that you've said it too, maybe there's something to it.

The twins are great, and take up a lot of my free time now, which is part of the reason that I don't find much time to visit the forum these days. We're still planning on moving back to CA in a couple years, and miss all you guys.

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Hi Joel,
Had a severe accident on the way to BMW National two years ago and had three broken, one cracked and torn cartiledge. Go to the ER, they will take only a flat plate Xray, but get the Doc to check out your internals. Your're worth more than the bike, so spend the time and money and get yourself checked out. It was recommended that I sleep in a recliner if possible (it was, and I slept and got up better for 6, yeah 6 weeks). If they are broken, you will be functional in 6 weeks, but mine still hurt a year and half later. I have spoken with guys that broke them 20 years ago and they still hurt. It is reminder to be careful out there!! Heal fast....Best, Bob

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see a doc. it's a small price to pay for making sure you are okay. broken ribs can puncture lungs.
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Thanks Jack, Bob, and Gerhard. When such a distinguished group of riders tells me to go see a doctor, I think I better heed the advice.

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I broke a few ribs in a spill in September, also my clavicle. No treatment is given, just grin and bear it I was told. Ribs were fine after 6 weeks (top 1 and 2 behind the collar bone) Collar bone is still fecked after nearly 4 months and not likely to heal by itself, so looking at an operation in the near future. Thank goodness for the UK/European free health service, sounds like you guys need to pay for every visit??

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Bummer Joel!

Well, having been the recepient of WAY too many broken ribs, 5 in one accident, 4 in another, I would at least get X-rayed. As others have said, it is VERY easy for a broken rib to nick a lung, or if the hit was in the right place spleen damage could be very threatening. That is the reason I stayed in the Phoenix ICU for two days, spleen damage. They took blood samples so often I felt like the proverbial pin cushion.

Doctor said the spleen is like a ripe watermelon, and can easily split when you hit something, and can be life threatening if not monitored and any needed actions taken quickly. Fortunately, mine healed without any intervention, but they watched me like a hawk.

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I broke a few ribs in a spill in September, also my clavicle. No treatment is given, just grin and bear it I was told. Ribs were fine after 6 weeks (top 1 and 2 behind the collar bone) Collar bone is still fecked after nearly 4 months and not likely to heal by itself, so looking at an operation in the near future. Thank goodness for the UK/European free health service, sounds like you guys need to pay for every visit??
Sorry to hear about your spill as well.

Most folks in the USA have health insurance, generally supplied by their employers. That generally pays for most things, with a small annual deductable, and possibly a small co-pay on each visit. If you don't have health insurance job benefits like this, then generally you'd buy your own health insurance. With the price of medical care in this country, going without insurance can send you to the poor house if you need any substantial care.
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Broken ribs

Sorry to hear about your mishap.
I broke 2 ribs during a Judo tournament in Detroit when I was 26.
Laying flat was extremely painful as was coughing or laughing.
A tight wrap around the chest is about all they can do for you.
I'm 55 now and there are still nights that I can't sleep on my right side.
This is not something that goes away quickly.


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Thanks, David. I've certainly thought about you and Don as I haul my sore carcass out of bed in the morning. When something like this happens, it's only sheer luck whether you walk away, or are carried off on a stretcher. I am very fortunate.

This is the second accident I've had right in my neighborhood, and the only two accidents I've had on my LT in 98K miles. We're on a mountain, and there are some crazy twisty little roads with reverse banked turns. The roads are inviting, but treacherous. The first accident was caused by a diesel spill. The spill was so long, that it just looked like a stripe in the road. I didn't pay any attention to it, until the rear of my bike passed me. This accident occured almost the same way. I'm cruising through a tight turn, when the bike slipped out as if it were on ice. I hit the ground, and the bike hit the ground, then bounced back up and onto the other side before stopping.

This accident was also caused by a liquid on the road -- however, it was put there intentionally. There were stripes of some kind of liquid on the road that I noticed only after I crashed. It turns out that the town sprays some kind of liquid on the road the day before snow is expected. And snow was expected for the next day. The stuff was so slippery, that after I got back on my bike to ride home, the rear tire actually spun on it as I slowly released the clutch. I had no idea what the stuff in the road was until my neighbor, the town judge, explained it to me. Kinda torques me off, I'll tell ya.

Anyway, it's all very discouraging. And it's such a wake up call that no matter how experienced a rider you are, there are always hazards that are beyond your control. And now, having a wife and young kids who depend on me makes me feel guilty for taking risks. I can really appreciate your decision to stop riding, David.
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Joel,

It's good to see you post, too bad it's about a get off. Please go see a Doc and get the xrays and hopefully a upperbody scan.
I broke 5 ribs in 2001, thought I was OK and turned down the Ambulance ride to the Hospital. By the time the wife came to pick me up from the accident scene I was so stiff I was having trouble breathing. So she drove me to the hospital even though I said not to. She was right - 5 broken ribs and a bruised lung, my spleen was ok thankfully.
Nothing they can do for the ribs if they are not out of position but the bruised lung was not good. They need to watch that closely so that you don't get a blood clot.
Took a long time to heal but I was still able to ride with pain - just could not lift anything or laugh. I wish you the best, and heal fast.

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Get the X-Ray Joel. Yea...sounds like ribs to me, but still. You have to know that everything else is cool.

And some helpful advise: Broken ribs don't hurt half as bad as long as you don't laugh, cough, wink, smile, breathe, sneeze, fart, or snore. Try to avoid these activities, if at all possible.

Sorry to hear. Heal well.
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--------This accident was also caused by a liquid on the road -- however, it was put there intentionally. There were stripes of some kind of liquid on the road that I noticed only after I crashed. It turns out that the town sprays some kind of liquid on the road the day before snow is expected. And snow was expected for the next day. The stuff was so slippery, that after I got back on my bike to ride home, the rear tire actually spun on it as I slowly released the clutch. I had no idea what the stuff in the road was until my neighbor, the town judge, explained it to me. Kinda torques me off, I'll tell ya.
Holy Cow!!! Sounds like a law suit to me! Cannot imagine how they can do something that will endanger a motorcycle, or even car like that and not be liable. If it was me, I would be talking to a good motorcycle aware attorney.
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Thank goodness for the UK/European free health service, sounds like you guys need to pay for every visit??



Free? Yeah right, you pay, just in other ways. I'll stick to paying when I need it.

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Internal injuries do not always come with symptoms, so looking for blood in the urine, et cetera is not a good idea for peace of mine or your long term health. May be something as simple as connective tissue strain but you need to have it checked out.

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Go and get X-rays. A few months back, I ivestigated a motorcycle collision. The rider told me he was sore. However, he did go to the hospital. He wound up with a punctured lung.

If your ribs are dislocated, I believe they can be put back.

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That certainly sounds like cracked or broken ribs; you're describing what Kari went through when she brke hers in our accident. I would definitely go get them checked out to make sure that, if broken, they aren't at risk of damaging other things, like poking a hole in a lung or something.

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And why is it cracked ribs hurt more than broke? I've never figured it out and sure don't want to try it again for scientific analysis.

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Well, I'm back from the hospital, and don't have any broken ribs. Evidently, they're just bruised. So I must be a big wimp. I'll tell you though, if bruised ribs hurt this bad, I don't want to know how bad broken ribs are. So they gave me a shot (which I thought was odd) and prescription for pain meds and sent me on my way.

Man, I can't believe how many of ya'll have had broken ribs. It seems to be a hazard of the sport. Thanks for all the good wishes, folks.

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------Thank goodness for the UK/European free health service, sounds like you guys need to pay for every visit??
I wish we had a little more government CONTROL of the insanely escalating medical costs here in the US, but for most of us, insurance covers the major costs. Those unfortunate people who have major medical instances and no insurance can be in DEEP trouble though!

My last accident ended up being over $120,000 US in total medical costs, but my out of pocket costs were less than $400. Insurance covered the rest.

I think the fact that we mostly have insurance is the main reason for the outrageous costs now. I am surprised the insurance companies have not banded together and forced drug companies, doctors, hospitals, etc to rein in the charges and make it reasonable for them and the patients, and still allow them to make reasonable profits.

The typical total yearly medical costs for my wife and I are about $2,500-$3,000 out of pocket, with another $3,500 in insurance premiums. When we both retire (near future I hope) the insurance premiums will be closer to $6,000 per year. Scary!

Yes, quite expensive compared to the European model, but not sure what your "hidden" costs are to cover it. I do know that some European country's tax rates are WAY higher than ours. You may be paying nearly as much as we are, but hidden in taxes. You probably have it much better when retirement comes around!

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Man, I can't believe how many of ya'll have had broken ribs. It seems to be a hazard of the sport.
I guess it's the primary side-effect of deceleration trauma. Slam into a concrete wall at 60 mph, something has got to give!
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Allot of their cost is in their gas prices. Huge taxes in the gas, we just pay at the hospital...

Canada is the same way, social medicine. Canadians that can afford it come to the US to have elective surgery so they don't have to wait a year to get it......Regards Pete

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[QUOTE=dshealey]Holy Cow!!! Sounds like a law suit to me! Cannot imagine how they can do something that will endanger a motorcycle, or even car like that and not be liable. If it was me, I would be talking to a good motorcycle aware attorney.

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Joel, good to hear that you did not break any ribs. David and Joel, your town might be using a new treatment this year, mine is. I've noted some brown strips of YUK which must be the molasses that is part of the mix. I did not think they would put is down ahead of the storm, but in your hilly section they might think it is a good idea. Thanks for the heads up. Following is some info on the product. Barnett

This winter, the City will continue its experiment with a new product produced by Cargill Salt Limited. The product is called “ClearLane” and is made from road salt mixed with magnesium chloride and food grade molasses. The molasses is used to coat the materials. This helps prevent the material from bouncing off the roadway when applied by the spreader vehicles. In other words, the material stays where it is needed. The addition of magnesium chloride also allows the material to work at a much lower temperature than regular road salt. As the material stays where it is supposed to be, and is able to work at lower temperatures, it works faster and less material is needed.

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A few years ago I was on a business trip in Japan when a co-worker developed some heart issues. He was taken to the emergency room and spent about 5 hours there having various tests done. Dr visits and hospital stays in Japan are paid in cash so I was quite worried about the cost. I was shocked to find out the total cost for the stay and tests was $230.

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Well, I'm back from the hospital, and don't have any broken ribs. Evidently, they're just bruised. So I must be a big wimp. I'll tell you though, if bruised ribs hurt this bad, I don't want to know how bad broken ribs are. So they gave me a shot (which I thought was odd) and prescription for pain meds and sent me on my way.

Man, I can't believe how many of ya'll have had broken ribs. It seems to be a hazard of the sport. Thanks for all the good wishes, folks.

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Seriously! Good to hear that the spillhad no real negative impact on you. Now you know how I felt just a tad more than a year at my spill with 6 broken ribs, a broken clavicle and a punctured lung among other problems LOL.

But I definitely would also talk to the town. Can't believe they can KNOWINGLY just throw stuff on the road that endagers road users without warning.
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Sorry to read about your get-off Joel but glad that you've been given the all-clear. Sounds like your bike wasn't too badly damaged either.

Interesting to read about the various winter road treatments. I have a good friend who worked for many years in the local road department (now retired) and he told me that, although they only ever used salt (mixed with grit on minor roads), the road surface made a big difference in the efficacy of the treatment. If the surface material is permeable then the treatment works well and the anti-freezing effect lasts some time (until washed away by rain). But if it's non-permeable (such as a stretch of local road laid with concrete) then the salt is almost useless, as it just bounces off the surface, or is swept off by traffic, requiring much more frequent reapplication.

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Joel, I agree about doctor/hospital visits being a pain, but the results of broken ribs can be even worse, gone un-diagnosed!

See someone, get X-rays, prepare to suffer for weeks. I had to rent a hospital bed for several weeks until I could get into my own. The result of ribs on both sides, front and back....10 ribs involved. I got smashed into the ground like a rag doll!

Glad to hear that was all that happened! It may hurt, but it beats not feeling a thing!!

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