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Penalized $$ for our fuel conservation!



We just got our fuel contract with our home heating / propane company.

We keep the house at about 68 in the living area, 63-65 in the one bedroom, and 58-62 in the lower level (which is pretty dang chilly in the winter) and heated with an electric infrared heater (we paid $400 for the heater to cut the cost on the propane, not including the cost to run the heater), just enough to sleep at night. 75% of the lower level has not been heated at all and is the lower 50's.

We also have a 600 gal storage system, with the thought being the company would only need to fill the tanks twice a year, and save money on the auto fill plan, which has them filling the tanks every six weeks.

We paid $3.99/gal, using 602 gals for the year.

Had we left the windows open and used another 98 gals, the cost would have dropped by .80 cents per gallon, and we could have kept the house warmer, for less money than we paid to keep our costs down, so we thought. We would have saved $290!

Based on these figures, it is going to cost $2430, to heat a 1400 sq ft ranch home, at 68 degrees! This has 6" exterior walls, and very high R factor insulation in the attic and the walls.

If we were to use more fuel, 700 gals would cost $2233! The company will not allow you to pay for more fuel than you used in the previous heating season??? Thereby, costing us more to use less fuel and live in colder temps.

It makes no sense!!!!!!!

Our neighbors who have the same company, heat both levels of their house to about 75 degrees. Since they consume more fuel (and only spend a fraction of the time at this home, while they vacation in FL for the winter), they pay only $3.19 a gallon.

Anyone that uses less than 500 gals, they are now charged $4.99/gal.

Something is just not right about how this system of user fees is being implemented!
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I could understand volume pricing after a certain amount, but to reflect that volume pricing back to the original consumption, thereby resulting in less cost for using more, is very strange.

Maybe there's another propane company you can buy from. I don't think they've all be monopolized yet.

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Re: Penalized $$ for our fuel conservation!

well , just a thought ...you could convert your car to run on propane . Then you could just get propane when you need more that 500 gal . If you save the money as you go for the fuel , you will be ready to pay for the fuel when you get it .

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The system is designed for the consumer to pre-pay for a discounted rate, for no more fuel than you used the previous year. To have lived in a cold house to save money (which in the end cost more trying to use the infrared electric heater at night) and found out it would have cost less to live more comfortably had we used more propane to heat the entire house, there are no words.....not with all the hardships, financial loss and stress dealing with a life threatening illness and disability. With both of us now on disability, it is that much worse. There is little to live on and getting harder by the month.

So, had we not bought the LT, helmets, riding gear and insurance, we could have saved nearly $13k+, and used that money to pay for the home heating for at least the next four years.

Not expecting to live much longer anyway, and having no idea about this propane deal, I/we decided to live for today and went with the LT. Now it sits 25+ days a month, not being able to afford even gas for that.

And thats the way it is........~;^\
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.... Based on these figures, it is going to cost $2430, to heat a 1400 sq ft ranch home, at 68 degrees! This has 6" exterior walls, and very high R factor insulation in the attic and the walls.....
WTF?! And I thought around $1,000 for natural gas was bad!
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....Not expecting to live much longer anyway, and having no idea about this propane deal, I/we decided to live for today and went with the LT. Now it sits 25+ days a month, not being able to afford even gas for that.

And thats the way it is....
WOW! I sure hope your situation changes in a hurry. Best wishes.

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Well, there is some good news to all of this.

After my SO had been refused twice via phone calls to the company to request an increase in usage and receive the $3.19/gal discounted price, I was able to speak with a manager today who did agree to do that for us!!! In the end, we are not saving the amount of money out of pocket, but it is giving us an additional 176 gallons of fuel, at no additional cost, so we can at least keep the entire house closer to a much more comfortable 68-70 degrees.

They also would have allowed us any amount of pre-purchased fuel up to 1k gallons as well, but we doubt it will take more than this. Keeping in mind, if you do not use the fuel you purchase, it counts against you the following year.

One more crisis to deal with tomorrow, and I hope that is IT for the rest of the year. It has been brutal.
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Well, there is some good news to all of this.

After my SO had been refused twice via phone calls to the company to request an increase in usage and receive the $3.19/gal discounted price, I was able to speak with a manager today who did agree to do that for us!!! In the end, we are not saving the amount of money out of pocket, but it is giving us an additional 176 gallons of fuel, at no additional cost, so we can at least keep the entire house closer to a much more comfortable 68-70 degrees.

They also would have allowed us any amount of pre-purchased fuel up to 1k gallons as well, but we doubt it will take more than this. Keeping in mind, if you do not use the fuel you purchase, it counts against you the following year.

One more crisis to deal with tomorrow, and I hope that is IT for the rest of the year. It has been brutal.
Great! May more good news come your way shortly.

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