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Senator John Warner (R-VA) is proposing that the National Speed Limit be imposed once again, to "help Americans struggling with high gas prices".

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This would be a huge mistake. Anyone that can remember crawling along at that speed will recall the impact on not only the commuter, but business as well...

For a net gain of approximately 2 MPG? No thanks!

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Ya ... our governor here in Michigan ...(Dem)...Jennifer Granholm ... was making some noise like that a few week ago . From what I understood her point was , some people were slowing down to save fuel $$ , but some other were not . She thinks the speed differences on the big road is making it a safety thing . With over a 20 mile a hour difference , some going the minimum of 55 , and some going 70 ... or higher ( speeding ) . She thinks If more people start slowing down , there could be an increase in bad accidents . Her point ... I think ... was not that speed kills , it is differences in speed that does . ..So , ... she was saying to lower the maximum speed down to lower the speed difference out there on the road .

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. She thinks If more people start slowing down , there could be an increase in bad accidents .
She might as well go the whole way and bring back the 18th amendment!

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She could also raise the minimum speed to decrease the speed difference between fast and slow vehicles... to make the roads safer!!!

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She could also raise the minimum speed to decrease the speed difference between fast and slow vehicles... to make the roads safer!!!
I dunno, even with the limits set where they are, I still get about a 20 mph differential with most traffic.

What's next? You can only fill up on even days?

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Again, I am not taking a position that at this time we should invoke a new initiative in the Congress to pass legislation calling for a national speed limit . . . But if those facts come forward . . . I am quite probably going to try--and garner support on both sides of the aisle to push forward with this legislation.
Nope, no foregone conclusion there. Sheesh.

Wait a minute. This guy's from Virginia, where simply having a radar detector in you car, even if it's disabled and locked away, constitutes prima facie evidence that you were in fact, guilty of perverting the course of justice. Great.

BTW, the oil is out there, even with the increased demand from China and India. The only real energy "crisis" is cause by speculators pushing oil futures way beyond what's normal, while the US and Arab oil consortiums laugh all the way to the bank, and the rest of us suffer.

I sure don't want to be penalized with a national speed limit just because some folks are having a tough time paying these extortionate prices for basic necessities, or because they chose to buy an overpriced, oversized, overweight, gas guzzler of a status symbol. No, thanks.

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CA Senator Jackie Spear introduced a bill today to instate a 60 MPH national speed limit, with an option for 65 on more remote routes like I-5 through the CA central valley.

Another aspect of the issue this bunch doesn't appear to understand is that since the removal of the mandatory 55 limit automakers are designing and gearing cars for the best mileage in the 65-75 mph range. I've heard a number of folks say they get better mileage at 65-70 than at 55. So my guess is that gas usage could potentially go up since the cars aren't optimized for the slower speeds. So now automakers have to go through further redesigns and additional cost to redesign and regear their line-ups? I wonder who will get to pay for that, if it doesn't go further to help bankrupt the already thread-bare US car companies?

Here's an idea - Enforce the laws that are in place now for auto inspections, safety and operational violations, and (I can't believe I'm saying this) the existing speed laws with more vigilance. Getting bad and inefficient cars off the road and/or repaired would help, and stepping up speed enforcement in a highly visible way will get drivers back down closer to the limits.

I also think it's time to start tapping into the oil reserves that we have available to us but have been made illegal or are blocked in some other ways to gain access. If you check the history books, we bought Alaska SPECIFICALLY for the oil that's there. Yes, it is beautiful, unspoiled country, and we need to preserve that as much as possible. But the argument that "everyone needs to be able to see it as it is" doesn't hold water, either. Less than 1/2 of 1% of the population will ever venture into the area where the oil is, and the ability to drill and access the deposits without becoming a blight on the landscape is available to use. Not doing that is like buying a family food, but then telling them they can't eat it because the packaging is too pretty.

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CA Senator Jackie Spear introduced a bill today to instate a 60 MPH national speed limit, with an option for 65 on more remote routes like I-5 through the CA central valley.
Think that'll apply to Arnold and his Hummer fleet? Oh wait a minute, he flies to Sacto every day. Never mind.

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Heard the same thing here in Md. I don't know about Y'all.... but I'm still going to go as fast as my "ol gal" will let me.Even a ticket once in a while isn't too bad.
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....What's next? You can only fill up on even days?....
Great idea! Must be part of that "change" thing?!
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The only real energy "crisis" is cause by speculators pushing oil futures way beyond what's normal, while the US and Arab oil consortiums laugh all the way to the bank, and the rest of us suffer....
Don't forget the "suffering" of everyone invested in EVIL big oil! Just horrible....[/QUOTE]
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Think that'll apply to Arnold and his Hummer fleet? Oh wait a minute, he flies to Sacto every day. Never mind.
Now, now....haven't you heard? His shit runs on BIO-fuel--even the jet!

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Another aspect of the issue this bunch doesn't appear to understand is that since the removal of the mandatory 55 limit automakers are designing and gearing cars for the best mileage in the 65-75 mph range. I've heard a number of folks say they get better mileage at 65-70 than at 55.

I've heard people say that too, but in reality it just doesn't work that way. With a given final drive ratio, your mileage will start to drop at anything over 60 or so. There is obviously a sweet spot in the rpm range that's going to get you better mileage, but it's really all about wind resistance. My 'vette seems to be a little higher than normal, best around a constant 59 (~33 mpg), then it starts to drop (~31 @ 65, ~27 @ 75). It got even better with the rock hard Goodyears on it, and I took about a 1.5 mpg hit with the 10% ethanol subsidy gas they sell here now.

The '02 Civic Si I had wouldn't get more than ~31 @ 65 either because the damn thing was turning nearly 4 grand at that speed. The Corvette runs 75 mph @ 1500 rpm.

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BTW, the oil is out there, even with the increased demand from China and India. The only real energy "crisis" is cause by speculators pushing oil futures way beyond what's normal, while the US and Arab oil consortiums laugh all the way to the bank, and the rest of us suffer.
Speculators are, at most, a short-term, minor problem. They serve a valid market function. They are part of a market signaling mechanism that helps the market see the increasing prices, and drives investment in that sector to profit from it, thereby reducing prices over the long term. That's how free markets work.

The fundamental problems are the continual inflation of the US dollar (caused by the fed "printing" money), which makes it weaker against foreign currencies, reserves that are harder to get physically, and are blocked by government regulations, and as you said, increased demand from other countries that are finally getting more developed.

The government likes to shift blame from their own failings by trying to find a bogey man to focus people's attention on (it's the speculators, it's the illegal aliens, it's the oil companies), and on and on. Every villain probably has some role to play, but the biggest problem is the government.

That said, oil prices are going to stay high and our way of life will adjust, whether we like it or not. Want to profit from the next speculation boom? Look to invest in profitable alternative energy. Not that ethanol cluster**** that is only "profitable" due to the government forcing taxpayers to pay for a ethanol solution you couldn't sell to anyone without putting a gun to their head. Real, cost-effective solutions, like geothermal, and low-flow hyrdro. In the future, energy will be more local, lots of small generators. There are a lot of neat things on the horizon. Go make some money, so you can be blamed for the next crisis, when the dollar will be worth 1/2 of it's current value (you didn't just put that paper in a bank, I hope)

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Speculators are, at most, a short-term, minor problem. They serve a valid market function. They are part of a market signaling mechanism that helps the market see the increasing prices, and drives investment in that sector to profit from it, thereby reducing prices over the long term. That's how free markets work.
Also it's not all fun and games being a speculator. When they get on the wrong side of a price swing (and they do) they have to come up with a margin call or get closed out. This can cause the market to move even more than if it were just producers and consumers hedging their products.

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.... some people were slowing down to save fuel $$ , but some other were not . ... was not that speed kills , it is differences in speed that does . ..
True statement.

Inattention or impatience kills more overall, but differences in speed kills more than speeding itself.

Had to imagin a 55 or 60 MPH national speed limit, but who knows.....

I just hope they don't do it before I have a chance to do a 50CC ride. A lower speed limit could kill the IBA rides.....


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....The government likes to shift blame from their own failings by trying to find a bogey man to focus people's attention on (it's the speculators, it's the illegal aliens, it's the oil companies), and on and on. Every villain probably has some role to play, but the biggest problem is the government....
Yes Bob you're right on. If the borders were secure, as they should be, illegal aliens couldn't be costing us hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars every year! If we didn't have all these wasteful HUGE social pending programs, illegal aliens would be less tempted to even try and cross the border.

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I just hope they don't do it before I have a chance to do a 50CC ride. A lower speed limit could kill the IBA rides.....
Not necessarily. Ocean Beach CA to Jacksonville Beach FL (the shortest and most common route) is 2,360 miles, divided by 50 hours is a 47 mph average. Even if you assumed a 55 mph average that's 43 hours, which still gives you 7 hours for fuel stops and naps.

An SS1000 is only a 42 mph average, or just over 18 hours at 55 mph. A BBG1500 would be a bit tougher as it requires a 63 mph average, but then again, that's what Nevada and west Texas are for.

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If the borders were secure, as they should be, illegal aliens couldn't be costing us hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars every year.
The illegal alien "problem" still exists because businesses are still making a ton of money off the cheap labor. Period. If it weren't for that, they'd be out of here, regardless of how the left or right may feel about it. Remember, always follow the money trail.

Besides, I thought we needed all that cheap labor to build The Wall.

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Go make some money, so you can be blamed for the next crisis, when the dollar will be worth 1/2 of it's current value (you didn't just put that paper in a bank, I hope)
I put all my profits into IndyMac. That's as safe as it gets, right?

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I seem to remember that imported ethanol is taxed in order to support higher corn prices. Same thing to protect domestic sugar production, imports are taxed.

Speed limit of 75 in the interstate here. I get tired of people passing me when I go 75-80 and having them pull in about 4 car lengths ahead of me.

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The illegal alien "problem" still exists because businesses are still making a ton of money off the cheap labor. Period. If it weren't for that, they'd be out of here, regardless of how the left or right may feel about it. Remember, always follow the money trail....
I'm not interested in anyone's FEELINGS on the issue. Hiring someone who is not here legally and therefore cannot legally work here has been illegal for years. But, much like the border, there is no enforcement on that, either.
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Sure--just as long as the "profits" don't exceed $100k! Now, if you're invested in EVIL big oil, headquartered in the white house, I hope you have your "profits" spread over, say, 10 banks or so.

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I put all my profits into IndyMac. That's as safe as it gets, right?
You are almost guaranteed to get back all the little, green pieces of paper you put in. That's one definition of "safe".

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This planet has—or rather had—a problem, which was this: most of the people on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.

Been listening to the original radio broadcast for HHGTTG on the bike recently. It still cracks me up.

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That's alright they're planning on putting in a Hyperspace bypass soon. Then we'll have no where to go.

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