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Yesterday I became a United States Citizen.

Finally, after dealing with the bureaucracy of the homeland security and immigration department ($$$)
for over a year, I took "the oath" yesterday along with 70 others from every imaginable country.

I immigrated from the Netherlands to the United States in 1964 at the age of 14.

Usually people ask why did you wait so long?

Because there was very little incentive, as a permanent resident immigrant I had all the rights of a citizen
I was eligible for the draft when there was one, hold a CWP (which was a lot easier to get) etc.
the exception was that I could not hold a government job and was allowed to vote
only in a local and state elections and not in a presidential one.

I have always said that if there was a presidential candidate that I "believed" in I would clear the citizenship hurdle, but that hasn't happened yet, I learned that "they" (Homeland security) would not renew my Master Captains license unless I was a US citizen (another post 911 rule)
I can't imagine what "driving a boat" has to do with citizenship, but I've learned not to question any government agency unless you like to be "jerked around"

Since 911 the "mood" of the nation has changed toward immigrants, even though I've lived here most of my life (went to high school here) I was treated like a "second class" citizen by every government agency from the drivers license bureau onward.

If you notice a "tone" of resentment in my post it's because I've always been very patriotic, not only do I speak/read/write the language better than most that are born here I probably know more about our government and history than the average guy on the street.

The United States Immigration department (from my experience) appears to be run by mostly Hispanics with a few Asian and Black people to "round out" their minority "quota"

Being a "white male" I've learned just what discrimination really is and it is not at all flattering.

I'm very happy and proud to be a US citizen but mostly I'm just glad that "it's over"

Now that I am a US citizen I finaly dare to say it,
from what I've seen (regarding our governmental agencies) we as a country are in trouble.


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Congrats! I remember when an x girlfriend when through the process it was quite a thrill.

Sorry to hear post 9/11 is much more trouble. I could comment on many of your other statements, mostly in agreement, but I'd rather welcome another citizen that got here thru "correct" process. Now, please make your voice heard, whether I agree or not.

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Congratulations!

I became a citizen in 1990, never looked back! And to everyone out there that has lived here for a long time and has not become a citizen: Do it!
In the end you can only be loyal to one place. If you enjoy all this country has to give, become a citizen!

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Congratulations! This is a truly great country.
If you think the process is difficult here and has a lot of rules, I have found from research it can be as difficult or even much more to gain citizenship in many other countries.

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Congrats Hans I'm proud to call you my friend and an "American Citizen" Now go for a ride and smile for a different reason

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Well said, and Ditto

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Congrats! I remember when an x girlfriend when through the process it was quite a thrill.

Sorry to hear post 9/11 is much more trouble. I could comment on many of your other statements, mostly in agreement, but I'd rather welcome another citizen that got here thru "correct" process. Now, please make your voice heard, whether I agree or not.

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Since you think we are in a lot of trouble (and I agree with you), I'm not sure congratulations are in order. Have you ever toyed with the idea of returning to your roots? I'm curious.
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Hans Congratulations! I understand your frustrations with the USCG, as a fellow Captain, I understand all the hoops that we have to jump through!

I look forward to meeting you face to face. I have enjoyed reading your post and travel reports.

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Congrats Hans, and welcome to the club. I took the oath in 1996 and have taken part in the electoral process since. I too have felt the discrimination, even after becoming a citizen, and definitely being a middle class white male does NOT help!
Even in this forum when I use Europe as a reference I sometimes get slammed with borderline racist comments. Funny thing, these instances never happen face-to-face, which probably means that I am more likable in person!
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Had no idea you weren't a bonafide 'Yank', Hans. Glad you survived the 'bureaucracy' and got-r-done; sorry you had some challenges along the way. Damn proud when I got to shake your hand in Stephenville, and now that I know the rest of the story, I'm even more proud for ya!!

Best of luck with the Master Captains license renewal and continuing gig - just watch that first step off the boat (unless you got a timber to grab onto!!!).
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Well at least Hans speaks English Floyd. We're not sure what language it you speak though.

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Congratulations, Hans. Good for you on making this move, even if it was "forced" upon you by DHS regulations.

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Congratulations, Hans! This is always nice news to hear!

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Congratulations!

I did it in 1971 while in the Marines.

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Congrats!!! I know the process sucks but good on you for doing it anyway

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...Being a "white male" I've learned just what discrimination really is and it is not at all flattering...
You'll never get away from that - especially in a politically correct work place. And...

Congrats!!!

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Have you ever toyed with the idea of returning to your roots? I'm curious.
Actually no, I've had opportunities but I'm really not interested.
I grew up in America, this is my home and the country I love.
So now it's official, I'm staying.


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....Now that I am a US citizen I finaly dare to say it,
from what I've seen (regarding our governmental agencies) we as a country are in trouble.
Such a flair for subtle UNDERSTATEMENT! Congrats, Hans.

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Congratulations.

I know how you feel. I became a US citizen in year 2000.

I had a choice of US or Australia back in 1992. At the time, I picked US because my sister is in Chicago, I had a job at at small Chinese company which was applying Green Card for me and I went to Graduate school in US. My Australian Green Card expired in 1996. And yet from time to time my Australian friends tell me that I picked the wrong country :-)

I am happy to be an American (with an accent) :-)

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Finally, after dealing with the bureaucracy of the homeland security and immigration department ($$$)
for over a year, I took "the oath" yesterday along with 70 others from every imaginable country.

I immigrated from the Netherlands to the United States in 1964 at the age of 14.

Usually people ask why did you wait so long?

Because there was very little incentive, as a permanent resident immigrant I had all the rights of a citizen
I was eligible for the draft when there was one, hold a CWP (which was a lot easier to get) etc.
the exception was that I could not hold a government job and was allowed to vote
only in a local and state elections and not in a presidential one.

I have always said that if there was a presidential candidate that I "believed" in I would clear the citizenship hurdle, but that hasn't happened yet, I learned that "they" (Homeland security) would not renew my Master Captains license unless I was a US citizen (another post 911 rule)
I can't imagine what "driving a boat" has to do with citizenship, but I've learned not to question any government agency unless you like to be "jerked around"

Since 911 the "mood" of the nation has changed toward immigrants, even though I've lived here most of my life (went to high school here) I was treated like a "second class" citizen by every government agency from the drivers license bureau onward.

If you notice a "tone" of resentment in my post it's because I've always been very patriotic, not only do I speak/read/write the language better than most that are born here I probably know more about our government and history than the average guy on the street.

The United States Immigration department (from my experience) appears to be run by mostly Hispanics with a few Asian and Black people to "round out" their minority "quota"

Being a "white male" I've learned just what discrimination really is and it is not at all flattering.

I'm very happy and proud to be a US citizen but mostly I'm just glad that "it's over"

Now that I am a US citizen I finaly dare to say it,
from what I've seen (regarding our governmental agencies) we as a country are in trouble.

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Actually no, I've had opportunities but I'm really not interested.
I grew up in America, this is my home and the country I love.
So now it's official, I'm staying.
And Good On Ya.

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Actually no, I've had opportunities but I'm really not interested.
I grew up in America, this is my home and the country I love.
So now it's official, I'm staying.

Amen, welcome OFFICIALLY!

Congratulations, I think we as US Citizens take for granted our freedoms and this is a good reminder that we should be thankful of where we live.

Zippy (Gilles) has been to our house a few times and we still didn't get french toast!

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Zippy (Gilles) has been to our house a few times and we still didn't get french toast!
Brett, for what I saw you were already tost!
However you are the perfect example of the American hospitality, and for that I salute you!

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Brett, for what I saw you were already tost!
However you are the perfect example of the American hospitality, and for that I salute you!
You are quite welcome, can't wait to see you and Kathy at CCR.

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Congratulations on your accomplishment. We may have some things not going so well right now in the U.S.,but there is still very much that is right!! I always feel a sense of pride when I see or read about folks becoming citizens!

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Congratulations, Hans. It is and has been "people from other lands" who make this country great. We appreciate and need citizens like you. Yes, the good old USA does have her share of issues; kind of like the LT; but you love her and she is one helluva ride. Thanks for joining us.
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I certainly applaud your accomplishment. Congratulations! Nothing worth doing is easy.

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for over a year, I took "the oath" yesterday along with 70 others from every imaginable country.
I have a friend that went through hell to become a citizen here, even after him serving in VN, I've yet to hear him complain one time about this country in all the years I know him.

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I have a friend that went through hell to become a citizen here, even after him serving in VN, I've yet to hear him complain one time about this country in all the years I know him.
I'm not sure of what you're trying to say here?

I have a lot of respect for any and all veterans especially VN Vets,
that should have been my war, I was # 6 on the draft's lottery in December of '68.
My best friend and I enlisted so we could do basic and AIT together,
I failed the physical he never returned.
I've always felt guilt over that since he had a high lottery number and might not have been drafted.

To clarify my original post I'm not "complaining" about this country
but rather the endless hypocrisy and burreaucracy of it's government.

As a matter of fact if I see something that is "wrong" I believe it is my patriotic duty to "speak out" about it.


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I'm not sure of what you're trying to say here?

I have a lot of respect for any and all veterans especially VN Vets,
that should have been my war, I was # 6 on the draft's lottery in December of '68.
My best friend and I enlisted so we could do basic and AIT together,
I failed the physical he never returned.
I've always felt guilt over that since he had a high lottery number and might not have been drafted.

To clarify my original post I'm not "complaining" about this country
but rather the endless hypocrisy and burreaucracy of it's government.

As a matter of fact if I see something that is "wrong" I believe it is my patriotic duty to "speak out" about it.
I didn't say much, except a friend had a hell of a time trying to get his done, it took far longer than a year, even after him serving for this country, there is the hypocrisy and bureaucracy of his story.

Yours did sound like you were complaining a tad, and only got your citizenship because you had to, so you could renew your license. The disturbing part of the bureaucracy is only because you have been working here and had the license before you were "forced" to do so.


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Well at least Hans speaks English Floyd. We're not sure what language it you speak though.
The reason we don't speak anglish in Louisiana is we don't want you to know what we are saying about you while you are here!

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The reason we don't speak anglish in Louisiana is we don't want you to know what we are saying about you while you are here!
Just adopt the official language of America, Spanish, and be done with it!

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Yours did sound like you were complaining a tad, and only got your citizenship because you had to, so you could renew your license. The disturbing part of the bureaucracy is only because you have been working here and had the license before you were "forced" to do so.


no harm no foul, just a different view
Different views are a good thing, even if I don't agree.

And yes I was complaining some, doesn't it make sense that after a certain amount of time "you belong here"?
after living in this country 44 years I still had to buy my right to drive a boat and make a living,
because some guy sitting behind a big desk changed the rules after 911.

I bet y'all sleep much better and as a nation feel much safer now.

now on the other hand if I had been born in Puerto Rico or Guam I'd have been born with those rights.

If my skin was brown and I was involved in the agricultural industry there are agencies that could have gotten it all done in less than six months and for less money.

Should I go on?
Take the case of my brother for instance, he was an infant when we carried him into the USA, has absolutely no recollection of Holland yet he has to buy a license to "belong" even after living here 44 years.

The only "break" you get from the INS is if you've been in the USA for over 20 years and are over 50 years old, you don't have to take the language skills test and can use an interpreter to take the oath
(there were 2 in my group)

How the hell can you live here for over 20 years and not know the language?

Most of my "complaining" is because the INS "jerked me around" because I am guilty of the sin of being white.

For instance: I was the only white person when I stood in line for twenty minutes (outside 90 degree sun) then the Hispanic "security guard" wouldn't allow me in the building because I had a briefcase,
made me go put the briefcase in my truck carry all of my papers "loose"
the Hispanic woman behind me walked right past him carrying a purse big enough to put my briefcase in.

I had to go to the back of the line where I watched a Hispanic male 4-5 people ahead of me walk right in with his briefcase.

Should I go on?
Had to make another trip to the INS office and drive to the Dutch consulate in Orlando to get a "certified translator" certify my birth certificate ($50) because the "dumbass" (Hispanic) INS agent (supposedly) didn't know what oomlats were (the double dots over a letter in Germanic languages)
I watched the same people "fix" paperwork for many who couldn't even speak the language
(I understand quite a bit of Spanish)

Should I go on?
Got finger printed and photographed 3 times last year ($75 each)
A day of work and a trip to Tampa for each one. etc. etc. etc.
Damn right I'm complaining.


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Hans, Congratulation on your citizenship! I totally understand your frustration at your treatment at the hands of our politico's. Here's a quote that will maybe make you smile a little and remember you are not alone in the struggle the government imposses on all of us here, one way or another.

A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take evetything you have. -Thomas Jefferson

Remember THIS when your turn to vote comes this November and pull the lever, oh hell, touch the screen any way you like, You Earned It!
Take Care and Welcome, again! Watch out for those pesky elks too!

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....then the Hispanic "security guard" wouldn't allow me in the building because I had a briefcase, made me go put the briefcase in my truck carry all of my papers "loose." The Hispanic woman behind me walked right past him carrying a purse big enough to put my briefcase in.

I had to go to the back of the line where I watched a Hispanic male 4-5 people ahead of me walk right in with his briefcase....
Ahhh yes, the "terror" briefcase! Yeah Hans, I know exactly where you're coming from.

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Congrats Hans .... I did it 10 years ago, and I'm proud to carry both, the American and the Israeli citizenships

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