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FBI Chief: Gun Ruling May Spur Violent Crime

Posted: Tuesday, July 1, 2008
Updated: July 1st, 2008 09:56 AM PDT

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HARTFORD, Conn. --

FBI Director Robert Mueller on Monday criticized the U.S. Supreme Court's recent ruling that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, saying it may harm efforts to deter violent crime.

Speaking at a convention of the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators in Hartford, Mueller said the ruling "does throw a lot of things up in the air."

By a 5-4 vote last week, the nation's highest court struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns, the first major pronouncement on gun rights in history. It upheld the right for communities to license guns.

Mueller said communities will have to determine their own license programs. As a former Marine who served in Vietnam, he said "I tend to believe weapons harm people and more often than not they harm the people carrying them."

With his grandchildren going to college, Mueller said he hopes "those campuses will be weapons free."

Mueller said the FBI's top priority remains counterterrorism, counter-intelligence and protecting the secrets of the United States.

He said college campuses and small communities could be "potential incubators of terrorism" even while major cities such as New York and Los Angeles remain primary targets for terrorists.

"The fact is we can't rule out any community in the United States as a potential incubator of terrorism," Mueller said.


ABSOLUTE, POSITIVE PROOF THAT YOU DON'T NEED A LICK OF INTELLEGENCE OR COMMON SENSE TO BE THE DIRECTOR OF THE FBI!

I'm sure that the "Director" NEVER carries a weapon nor allows any agent in his vicinity to carry a weapon either, right?! WTF?

How about mister HACK gets back behind the desk he usually humps and lets REAL STREET COPS worry about all those EVIL PEOPLE with their EVIL GUNS as GUARANTEED by that EVIL SECOND AMENDMENT?! WTF?!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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"Mueller said communities will have to determine their own license programs. As a former Marine who served in Vietnam, he said "I tend to believe weapons harm people and more often than not they harm the people carrying them."

this guy is living in lalaland.

and the statement above is more proof that our gov't is more interested in protecting ourselves from ourselves than what the hell they should be doing.

good grief how do these folks get into office???

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I am absolutely sure that it the Director is not armed himself that his driver is armed. People of his stature don't go without some minimum level of security. Having said that, I am always amazed that people who are either armed for their protection or have a security detail that is armed can't or won't see that the average joe also would like the opportunity to protect themselves. What an elitist prick!

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"I tend to believe weapons harm people and more often than not they harm the people carrying them."
Statistics show that gun ownership actually lowered violent crime in every area that right to carry laws have been passed. On the flip side of that, Washington DC has one of the worst violent crime rates in the country, and they have a total ban. (or at least had ) But the basic problem is that like always, we have a person in an influential position who doesn't actually care about the facts, but rather what he "believes".
Government will always be power hungry, it's up to us to fight back. Afterall, in our country WE ARE the government.


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With his grandchildren going to college, Mueller said he hopes "those campuses will be weapons free."
Right. I'll bet everyone who was murdered at Virginia Tech is happy there was no Concealed Carry allowed on their campus.

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Very interesting. Maybe the director should read a few newspapers:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/met...s.3c7c070.html

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/cri...g.fb1295b.html

http://www.kutv.com/content/news/top...f-16ec9ea106f5


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I am absolutely sure that it the Director is not armed himself that his driver is armed. People of his stature don't go without some minimum level of security. Having said that, I am always amazed that people who are either armed for their protection or have a security detail that is armed can't or won't see that the average joe also would like the opportunity to protect themselves. What an elitist prick!
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that he carries. My Dad was a career special agent.

The Director has a full complement of agents protecting him.


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This reminds me of a conversation I had a few years ago with the instructor (a retired cop) in my concealed hand gun class. We were discussing the effectiveness of writing speeding tickets to improve safety. I was surprised that he agreed with my contention that most of the tickets were all about revenue and not improved safety, but that is another story. What really stuck with me was his comment that cops can be divided into 2 groups, the real cops and the administrators and that the administrators were nothing more that politicians with a badge. It seems that he was right on target.

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This reminds me of a conversation I had a few years ago with the instructor (a retired cop) in my concealed hand gun class. We were discussing the effectiveness of writing speeding tickets to improve safety. I was surprised that he agreed with my contention that most of the tickets were all about revenue and not improved safety, but that is another story. What really stuck with me was his comment that cops can be divided into 2 groups, the real cops and the administrators and that the administrators were nothing more that politicians with a badge. It seems that he was right on target.
That applies to every organization in my experience, not just cops.

How do I fight it?

I have a saying...logic rules on every planet. Someone else said long ago that "knowledge is power". I try to combine both on assigned projects.

In the world of money (tickets/revenue) none of this may apply however, as a disclaimer

Knowledge won't always save your job but we all can't be politicians (especially me). Ya gotta pick what pillow you can sleep on I guess.

The trick is I believe, to use persuasion conmbined with logic, in order to meet the mission/objective, to get the politicians to turn your way and support your position, assuming yoru position is sound.

but really, statements like that coming out of the FBI?? Am I the only one here that thinks a lot of the LEO folks/leaders only want cops to own guns?

That is more of a baseless, moronic statement to me than political, not sure what he is trying to gain by making such a stooopid statement, in public yet.
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"With his grandchildren going to college, Mueller said he hopes "those campuses will be weapons free.".......

No Mr Mueller, the term is "target rich environment".

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