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I Love My Dog......unconditionally

This is a very very sad day.
Mona and I adopted a lab-mix from the pound. It turned out to be BY FAR the most wonderful canine member of our family ever, despite having fabulous Shepards and Labs in my life.........I won't bore anyone w/the difference-but it is real.

Problem walking---initial dianoses ACL----$2000.00 can just handle.

Further x-rays, its the hips....both bad-one for sure at least 3 G a hip

Well any thoughts out there???? Vets???

I will sell my LT for $11000.00 to cover the cost-Mona and I LOVE her.
05 10500 miles-some expensive farkles.The Bike is under BMW warranty till next spring....a Big Plus for an extended policy.

This is a give-a-way....let me know.

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Dood.. sorry on both counts.. and know how you feel about the pup... and the LT... but, you can get another LT, huh?

ASK the vet how difficult recovery will be and how the anesthesia affects the dog because "general" stuff can sometimes have very serious consequences.

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I love my dog too, that I got from the Humane Society. I hope everything works out.

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Alright I am going to throw it all out on the table, 1) Is the dogs life going to be better after this surgery(in my opinion probley not, she willl always be different) 2) will the dog live through the surgey (big chance she/he won't ours didn't and I paid 3000 for a dead dog) 3) if you were the dog and you could make the choice would you do it? I love animals but there is only so much we can do and only so much pain we should let them live with, it may be time to say good bye and go down and give a new dog a new home. Yes it sucks but please think this through and keep the dogs fellings and the amount of pain he or she will suffer in mind. I personnely would make what time you have left count then go down together and see her/him off to the big doggy heaven in the sky. She/He will never be the dog you remember after the surgery and it is only fair the you think of the animal first, and not your feelings. If I offened you I am sorry but I am trying to be the voice of reason.

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Your talking to someone who loves dogs and when I had to put my dog down I was upset for months about it. Did I do the right thing, her mind is sound but her body is gone. She was 10 years old and had a good life. I am now living with a dog that has cancer and she was given 4-6 months 10 months ago and she is still fine.

Gabe has some good points. And I don't think his is trying to be mean but if you ask like you did on this forum your gong to get different options.

Am I doing this for the dog or for me? Is she better off and will this really make her life better?

I could have spent thousands of dollars on my dog only to find out that she was going to die anyways. Making the choice to let your dog go feels like playing God. It took me a good year to forgive myself but I knew then as well as today that I did act with my heart when I had her put down. It was right for her and us.

What doesn't your heart really say? I know your feelings say it is easier to do all you can do, but what is best for her?

I feel for you and I know you will have to pray a lot about this. Either decision you make will be the right one and the only person you really have to live with afterwards is yourself.

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Mike,

I am proud of you for your willingness to sacrifice for your beloved dog. They have a special place in our hearts and lives. I will be praying for you...that you will have wisdom in such a difficult time.

I would also have to make sure that my dog would have a satisfactory life following surgery before I would consider it. Have seen it done and it did not go so well for the animal. Owners who loved their pets still had to watch them suffer and eventually pass away and still owed thousands.

Your willingness to pay is admirable..very much so, but just remember that surgery is no guarantee. And in fact, the animal will probably still struggle immensely.

Not trying to be insensitive, but when the time eventually does come (and it does for all animals), just know that I recently had to put my mom's dog of 16 years to sleep and I sat with him during the procedure. He was my buddy.

It was the most peaceful thing I have ever seen...he never moved the slightest muscle...not once. Just went to sleep very, very peacefully. I will never be afraid to put another animal to sleep at the vet. It was difficult to me, but not to him...not at all. God bless...

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Mike,

Will her quality of life be improved by doing this procedure?
What are the odds she will survive the surgery & fully recover?
Assuming she will make a complete recovery, what will be her quality of life, worse case scenario, after the surgery?

Having only put down our sweet Sonny only last week, I am intimately familiar with what you are going through. When we took her into the emergency vet at 4 AM last Sat. morning, we did not know exactly what was wrong with her, but we did know that she was miserable and scared. The vet said there was a problem with her vestibular system and that Sonny couldn't tell up from down, which explained why she could not walk when I tried to help her to her feet. She was also dizzy and quite nauseous.

The vet said that the condition could be brought on by a brain tumor or several other conditions and it might go away on its own in a couple of weeks. We did not want to see her in the state she was in for a couple of more hours much less a couple of more weeks. Given her condition, and age ( she had turned 14 this March), it was a very easy decision.

BUT had this happened to our younger dog, we still would have made the same decision to put her down under the circumstances.

Like the good Pastor Jack, I will never be afraid to put down another animal. It was very peaceful and both my wife and I felt such relief after it was over that our dear girl was no longer suffering.

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Mike,

My prayers are with you and your family. I haven't had a dog for many years and couldn't understand why my neighbor spent $15K on their dog. Last Christmas we got Fergus, an 8wk old Golden Retriever from my daughter. He just turned 8months old and if I was in your situation I'd sell ALL my toys, including my 1967 Camaro that I have owned since 1969, if that's what it took.

I truly hope everything goes well.

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I wanted to add that Molly - the neighbor's dog - had several operations for multiple problems including both hips and is doing very well.

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Tough call, I had to put down my 6 yr old yellow lab named Remy. He had lymphoma and we ran about a 6k dollar vet/specialist bill to try and help. Didn't work out and he was not the tail wagger happy brute anymore so we put him down 6-6-2003. I'm just getting to the point where I don't shed a tear for the pup but my wife and I could not let him suffer. Now I'm facing the thought of putting down my 14 yr old golden Chelsea, It sucks big time but like some previous post it's really not about you. It's about the dog living a comfortable life and not suffering pain. We can explain and tell someone what's going on,animals can't and they can hide it, part of their instinct to survive in a pack. The consolation is there are so many dogs looking for a good home.
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Very sorry, feel your pain.
Last winter we had to let go our our Shepard/Golden "Pedigree garbage can inspector".
She was, like yours, the best dog we have ever had and we have had some good dogs.
The dog grew up with our kids and was indeed part of the family.
At the age of 10 yrs she developed an abdominal tumor.
Rather than put her through treatment that she really wouldn't enjoy, and risk her greater suffering we decided to spoil her, keep her as comfortable as we could until she just became too "tired". And then we let her go in the most humane way we could. We all cried. But we chose to cherish the memories of her, rather than attempt to prolong her life with all the risks associated with that attempt. We got out the family pictures with the pet, we recalled her life's episodes, we mourned her like a member of the family.
Dogs have in their nature to show love and devotion and will do it through their own suffering. Sometimes it is hard to sort out what we are doing for ourselves versus what we are doing for the animal. I would only ask a pet owner facing extensive medical treatment for their pet, are they doing it for themselves or in the best interest of their pet?
Good luck and best wishes with your difficult decision.
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Thank you all for your thoughts.

In my "upsetedness" I did not mention she is only 10 months old..I
we have only had her since January. One member has given info on a new procedure at Kanas state...we'll investigate that as well.
Its stinks for all those who have had to send their loved ones off....

We are still wrestling with options.

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I am proud of you for your willingness to sacrifice for your beloved dog. They have a special place in our hearts and lives. I will be praying for you...that you will have wisdom in such a difficult time.
I second that, my dog's a family member, the pleasure he has given us over the years means I too would sell my bike to cover similar costs.
Oh, and to try to explain these things to non dog lovers/owners is wasting time, to some people he's "just a dog" to us he's sooooooo much more!
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Who diagnosed the torn ACL?
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Sorry for your situation. Do Not give up on the pup... Did you check with the adoption /rescue agency? More often than not they will participate in any needed medical situations. Just a thought, and we will be praying for you, your family and your pup..

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Mike and Mona,

I can't add anything to what has already been said, but know that we will pray for your family and this situation. Weigh your options and then go forward.

When we put our black Lab down a few years ago it broke our hearts but the other dogs and cats wouldn't let us be sad for too long.

Best wishes. Let us know how it turns out.

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I'm just sayin, before I sold my LT, I would go see Dice at tOSU or head up to MedVet for a second opinion. Get the diagnosis comfirmed and info on costs, procedures, prognosis etc. Make an informed decision.
My English Setter (<50 lbs.) had FHO's on both hips six years ago and is doing great. Keep us posted.
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My wife runs a dog rescue and we have been through these things many times. We have a golden that was born with bad hips and blind. She had operations to fix her hips and she is doing fine now (8 years old). Even though she is blind she gets around just fine. We have a really good orthopedic vet here in Knoxville. I would find a good vet and get an evaluation. Take their best advice and make your decision. It worked out for both Maggie (our blind golden) and her sister Sophie who is also blind with bad hips. Both of them came through ok. They were young and could heal well. If your dog were 8 or 10 years old that would make a lot of difference.

BTW, Erin, one of our great pyrenees had an acl operation and she is doing ok but not great. She has lots of mobility but she is in pain sometimes and has trouble getting up on a smooth floor. She was about 6 when she had the operation and she is 8 (or 9?) now. Pyr's don't live all that long (avg 11years) so she is officially old now.

The point is that results are all over the map. I think the majority of operations on things like hips and acl's are a pretty good bet. Cancer is another thing altogether.

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I'm just sayin, before I sold my LT, I would go see Dice at tOSU or head up to MedVet for a second opinion. Get the diagnosis comfirmed and info on costs, procedures, prognosis etc. Make an informed decision.
My English Setter (<50 lbs.) had FHO's on both hips six years ago and is doing great. Keep us posted.
Thanks all-
Steve- you seem to know alot about Central Oh vets. Our vet recommended Medvet as an option and we were thinking about OSU(as I grew up in the"Shadow of (the)shoe")...they used to do procedures at dramatically less $ I don't know about now. Who is Dice?

David thanks. We will contact the Franklin Co shelter thats another good idea.

Thank all for all thought & ideas!!!!!!

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Alright I am going to throw it all out on the table, 1) Is the dogs life going to be better after this surgery(in my opinion probley not, she willl always be different) 2) will the dog live through the surgey (big chance she/he won't ours didn't and I paid 3000 for a dead dog) 3) if you were the dog and you could make the choice would you do it? I love animals but there is only so much we can do and only so much pain we should let them live with, it may be time to say good bye and go down and give a new dog a new home. Yes it sucks but please think this through and keep the dogs fellings and the amount of pain he or she will suffer in mind. I personnely would make what time you have left count then go down together and see her/him off to the big doggy heaven in the sky. She/He will never be the dog you remember after the surgery and it is only fair the you think of the animal first, and not your feelings. If I offened you I am sorry but I am trying to be the voice of reason.

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Mike,
My heart goes out to you man, I wish there was some sage advice I could give or whatnot.
I really hope things go well for the little guy, keep us updated.

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Mike,

I would do the same as you if it came to knowing that my girl would have a better quality life then if she didnt have the surgery.... I feel for you
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Mike good luck with your guys decision. We have had our share of ailments and surgeries with our two and they have come out happier dogs.

In addition I would recommend the university setting for a consultation if nothing else.
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My girl had her hip replaced when she was 1 year old. She had it done at Ohio State. This was 4 years ago. It went great. The hard part of the recovery was not letting her run to early. I would do it again. She runs and jumps like a normal unimproved dog.

I was lucky and had the money available.

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She just had knee surgery for her ACL 2 months ago. I have made large payments on several vets new homes.

What can you do I love the big girl.

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We had also adopted a dog from a Port Washington Long Island rescue place, Can't remember the name but they were great. We picked up Brandy ( a little border collie) and she was fantastic, only 4 months old, she had a nasty cough and I have to admit the rescue center dumped a ton of money into trying to cure her. She had one good day where she played and ate well. We had her for 4 weeks, hand fed her bits of liver. After a long discussion with the vets we put her down. Again she had our hearts but her life would of been miserable. Again I don't envy you. I have no kids so the dogs are it. But you also have a life that involves something that you and possibly your wife enjoys also. You can't take that away either.
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This is exactly what I just went thru about 10 months ago, with my 10 year old golden (peaches).

I remember her slipping on the tile when young and giving a yelp, her leg never did seem right since then. I guess it wasnt'. The doc said the tendon was just a thread when it finally gave out.

One trip to dog beach, the sand washed out from under a leg and the ACL snapped. I had to carry that 80 lb beast all the way back to the truck (what was I thiniking!!).

anyways, they have 2 surgeries, one is about 1500, the other is more extensive at about 2000.

We opted for the cheaper.

You can't believe this dog, she must have been in pain or something for awhile. I think she has gotten 5 yrs (ok, maybe 2 yrs, heheh) younger and walks like a champ. Not perfect but you can tell her whole life changed.

It was a tuff decision with an older, bigger dog but she is a big part of the family, I just couldn't put her down yet.

I saw my first dogs ghost for months after i had to put him down at about 13 yrs, I know he was ready but I never convinced myself. A tuff part of life, no doubt.

But hell ya, that surgery is the cats meow, I never expected it to work this well and I'm very happy about that!!!
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Thank You All-

Ravin update:
She's doing well with painkillers iduprofen like ,and now is much more mobile also glucosamine and weight -loss stuff
Doug, a Forum member suggested a Doctor from KSU, a Doctor Lister-
her thesis is based on the coxofemoral denervation, basically the deadening of all/most nerves in the ball joint area.
European studies suggest a 90% success rate....unfortunately Dr. Listers results seem to be about 50/50 with the same procedure she told me that her results are much tighter.
She was great -an half hour of doc-talk on a PAGE!!!!!!!!!
It seems doggy hip surgery is about 1600.00 cheaper in Manhattan, Kansas
than Columbus Ohio.
All I've got so far is 2800-3600 a hip, or 600.00 for the crap shoot of denervation or the deal in Kansas 2000.00 a hip.
I think I'm making a road trip.

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Not to depress, but I really need to share my thoughts.............

She's been the best dog ever & I've been lucky enough to have a few great dogs.
anyhow I just carried her into our bed..........where she never sleeps, I just fed her the remains of our ribeyes which she never gets,.
Our beautiful dog has out done my 4000 dollar limit........well she's pushing $11,000 and Mona and I have been crying on and off ....trying to justify our decison My heart goes out to anyone who has felt this pain. We will put her down as soon as posssible as every eye contact hurts.

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I know it is probably the hardest thing to do, but think instead of all the great times you had together and not of all the suffering and pain, time will heal.
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Mike, is there a teaching veterinary college anywhere near you who might be able help? This is the part of pet ownership that really sucks.
For anyone reading this thread there is pet medical health insurance you can buy and it's fairly reasonable if you get it when your pet is young.
I and many here know what your going through, not an easy decision but only you and your wife know whats right for your dog. Hung in there.
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Mike,
I've been thinking of you and Mona and wondering what was up, but to timid to ask. I'm sorry the ending is not the one we all hoped for on your behalf.

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I'm sorry.

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Mike, It really sounds like you guys are going to the mat for your buddy! I really hope things turn a corner for all of you and he gets better, and quick! Wish there were words man.

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I have been there also and it does suck
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Mike my wife, I, and our two dogs feel for your family.

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So sorry to hear Mike...

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Mike, so sorry to hear of the tough desision you all have had to make. Know that you have done all that is possible and that this is the best for you loved pet. Not easy, but know that Mona will now be pain free and running with all of the others at the rainbow bridge, and know she will be waiting when you arrive to reunite and enjoy all the beauty and peace that we all are gauranteed. If only all animals had the love and attention that your family has given to Mona, this would be a much better world. Bless you, your family and Mona.
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Mike, so sorry to hear of the tough desision you all have had to make. Know that you have done all that is possible and that this is the best for you loved pet. Not easy, but know that Mona will now be pain free and running with all of the others at the rainbow bridge, and know she will be waiting when you arrive to reunite and enjoy all the beauty and peace that we all are gauranteed. If only all animals had the love and attention that your family has given to Mona, this would be a much better world. Bless you, your family and Mona.
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David, I believe that Mona is his wife. FYI

Mike, it breaks my heart to read this string of posts. My wife and I were doing foster for rescue dogs out of Alabama, but the rescue cant afford the gas to move them north.

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OOPS... Sorry bout that ... Never said I was the brightest bulb on the bike. Sentiments are the same though, truly sorry for your ordeal....

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Thanks so Much for all the kind words, thoughts wishes and prayers.
I don't know for sure,but I doubt there are too many online communities as supportive and kind as this one.......we are all blessed to have such a common connection.
Ravin-the reigning "best dog on the planet" is now "running at the rainbow bridge".........We Will miss her sooooo much!! But we were fortunate enough to have her rescue us at our local shelter-10 months of love we would have otherwise missed out on.

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