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post #1 of 24 Old Jun 19th, 2008, 7:46 pm Thread Starter
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A couple questions from The National Review:


Where are all of the Hollywood celebrities holding telethons asking for help
in restoring Iowa and helping the folks affected by the floods?

Where is all the media asking the tough questions about why the federal
government hasn't solved the problem? Asking where the FEMA trucks (and
trailers) are?

Why isn't the Federal Government relocating Iowa people to free hotels in
Chicago?

When will Spike Lee say that the Federal Government blew up the levees that
failed in Des Moines?

Where are Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks?

Where are all the looters stealing high-end tennis shoes and big screen
television sets?

When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a
'vanilla' Iowa, because that's the way God wants it?

Where is the hysterical 24/7 media coverage complete with reports of
cannibalism?

Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people?

How come in 2 weeks, you will never hear about the Iowa flooding ever again?

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People in that part of the country normally don't set around waiting for someone from the govmt to solve their problems. They just get on with helping each other. And put their lives back together.
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People in that part of the country normally don't set around waiting for someone from the govmt to solve their problems. They just get on with helping each other. And put their lives back together.
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A couple questions from The National Review:


Where are all of the Hollywood celebrities holding telethons asking for help
in restoring Iowa and helping the folks affected by the floods?

Where is all the media asking the tough questions about why the federal
government hasn't solved the problem? Asking where the FEMA trucks (and
trailers) are?

Why isn't the Federal Government relocating Iowa people to free hotels in
Chicago?

When will Spike Lee say that the Federal Government blew up the levees that
failed in Des Moines?

Where are Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks?

Where are all the looters stealing high-end tennis shoes and big screen
television sets?

When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a
'vanilla' Iowa, because that's the way God wants it?

Where is the hysterical 24/7 media coverage complete with reports of
cannibalism?

Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people?

How come in 2 weeks, you will never hear about the Iowa flooding ever again?
What he said!

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People in that part of the country normally don't set around waiting for someone from the govmt to solve their problems. They just get on with helping each other. And put their lives back together.
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A couple questions from The National Review:


Where are all of the Hollywood celebrities holding telethons asking for help
in restoring Iowa and helping the folks affected by the floods?

Where is all the media asking the tough questions about why the federal
government hasn't solved the problem? Asking where the FEMA trucks (and
trailers) are?

Why isn't the Federal Government relocating Iowa people to free hotels in
Chicago?

When will Spike Lee say that the Federal Government blew up the levees that
failed in Des Moines?

Where are Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks?

Where are all the looters stealing high-end tennis shoes and big screen
television sets?

When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a
'vanilla' Iowa, because that's the way God wants it?

Where is the hysterical 24/7 media coverage complete with reports of
cannibalism?

Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people?

How come in 2 weeks, you will never hear about the Iowa flooding ever again?
I think you ought to send that in to several prominant news papers and CNN/Fox news...and see if/what they have to say about it. Maybe send it to 60 minutes or 20/20.
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Don't give me the credit, read the first line.

Eric hit the nail on the head with his response.

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Jay Leno announced last night that he was doing two shows in Las vegas and the proceeds would be going to the flood victims in Iowa and the Mississippi River Valley.
He also commented that these people didn't set around waiting for the government to help. They all pitched in and are helping each other.
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I'll have you know that this is EVERYTRHING that IS WRONG with America! NOT BEING DEPENDANT on some local, and not so local, big government hack is so unfair to the people that ARE DEPENDANT on them.

I really hope these people carefully consider their actions and change course before it's too late. This whole rugged individualism stuff is just not what made/makes America great! Worse yet, what if this renegade behavior were to spread to other places?!
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People in that part of the country normally don't set around waiting for someone from the govmt to solve their problems. They just get on with helping each other. And put their lives back together.
Oooohhhhhhhh so I see! You're freely and openly advocating this sort of renegade and reckless behavior?! You should be ashamed, mister!

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I think you ought to send that in to several prominant news papers and CNN/Fox news...and see if/what they have to say about it. Maybe send it to 60 minutes or 20/20.
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I live very near Cedar Rapids and Iowa City, and have my whole life. First off this is the worst flooding I, or anyone else has ever seen. Second just to give an idea of the "get it done" attitude around here I will list an example. When they realized the wells were in danger a handfull of people started sandbagging, they anounced on TV they needed help, I believe within an hour 1200 people were down there sandbagging, they managed to keep one well from flooding and kept water flowing to those who could use it.

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This is horrible. What a mess. Hopefully the affected areas will be abandoned to avoid problems like this in the future, but of course that won't happen. Like New Orleans, we really like to build stuff where we shouldn't, it's the same everywhere I suppose, but you would think we'd be smarter than that.
Speaking of smarter than that, would that cop really have killed that guy for running a check point? Well, yeah, he would I'm sure... but man you would think a cop would place more value on a person's life than to just kill him for wanting to just get back to his home. Stupid.
What a tragedy all around.
You really would think there would be a lot more focus on this, our food comes from there, tens of thousands of people are affected, etc. Yet, this is basically a soundbite story whereas Katrina's affect on New Orleans was hailed as the most monumental catastrophy in the Western Hemisphere in the History of man. What a joke the Main Stream Media is, and they wonder why their viewership is down.

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....Like New Orleans, we really like to build stuff where we shouldn't, it's the same everywhere I suppose, but you would think we'd be smarter than that....
Yeah, we're much smarter now. I think we should just rebuild everything on 10 foot beams! Oh, and don't forget all the ADA elevators
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....would that cop really have killed that guy for running a check point?....
I can't tell by the angle of the photo, BUT it almost looks like he's standing IN FRONT of the suburban!

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People in that part of the country normally don't set around waiting for someone from the govmt to solve their problems. They just get on with helping each other. And put their lives back together.
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This is horrible. What a mess. Hopefully the affected areas will be abandoned to avoid problems like this in the future, but of course that won't happen. Like New Orleans, we really like to build stuff where we shouldn't, it's the same everywhere I suppose, but you would think we'd be smarter than that.

Yeah your right, when our forefathers were colonizing the U.S. I am sure they said....Hmmm we shouldn't build near a river, it might flood. Instead we should move a hundred miles away and get our water from that same river that might flood.

And while I am on a soap box about that I might as well drag in the Colorado River Basin for the hell of it. How many people live by and get their water from the Colorado river. God help us if there is ever a drought bad enough to cut off major cities, should those people move too. Say goodbye to Las Vegas. Nope water will be shipped in.

I agree that New Orleans is a disaster waiting to happen again but how do you tell people to abandon their culture and their city. Sure those people weren't the ones who started the city, but that's where a lot of them grew up and that's where a lot of them will stay.

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You guys aren't really seriously comparing Cedar Rapids to Katrina. The two are simply not comparable. The scale of Katrina dwarves what happened in Iowa. There were nearly a million people displaced by Katrina and somewhere around twenty thousand in Cedar Rapids. There were over 1600 deaths from Katrina, and about twenty for the Iowa floods. About eighty percent of New Orleans was under water, about nine square miles out of Cedar Rapids' seventy square miles was hit.

I am not minimizing what happened to Cedar Rapids and what these people have done to help each other, but this was no Katrina. To try to compare these two catastrophic events to make a political point is a bit much and vaguely racist.

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To try to compare these two catastrophic events to make a political point is a bit much and vaguely racist.

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Whoa Dale...
...Too much desert heat?

Nobody said nothing about politics or race. Nobody but you that is!
What was said is the people in the Midwest U.S. don't wait around for federal help...before they start helping themselves.

What was compared, accurately I add, was their reactions...actions...expectations...values. Not their skin color. YOU stop the racist B.S.!

Your post is the one to play race.


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Yeah I have had a bit too much desert heat, but I certainly don't believe my post was the only one to play race.
"When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a
'vanilla' Iowa, because that's the way God wants it?"

"Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people?"

I did say "vaguely" as I have no idea of people's real feelings. But, when one begins talking about "people in that part of the country" where the majority is clearly white, versus people in New Orleans where the majority is clearly not, I get uncomfortable. It becomes somewhat of a code.

As to politics, of course politics was raised in this thread.

"I'll have you know that this is EVERYTRHING that IS WRONG with America! NOT BEING DEPENDANT on some local, and not so local, big government hack is so unfair to the people that ARE DEPENDANT on them."

My parents are both from Iowa and I was raised in Minnesota, and I know the value of people helping each other out in a disaster. I have no doubt that the good people of Iowa helped each other during this terrible disaster. I also have no doubt the majority of people in New Orleans would have helped each other out as well, if they could have. The scale created problems that made that nearly impossible.

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....To try to compare these two catastrophic events to make a political point is a bit much and vaguely racist.
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Whoa Dale....Too much desert heat?....
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...."When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a 'vanilla' Iowa, because that's the way God wants it?"

"Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people?"

"I'll have you know that this is EVERYTRHING that IS WRONG with America! NOT BEING DEPENDANT on some local, and not so local, big government hack is so unfair to the people that ARE DEPENDANT on them."

....I also have no doubt the majority of people in New Orleans would have helped each other out as well, if they could have. The scale created problems that made that nearly impossible.
So, commenting on the complete tom foolery that went on in New Orleans and using a little satire to illustrate how stupid it was is racist?! Then pointing out how the displaced flood victims increased crime in their new communities would REALLY be racist, right?!

I think the magnitude of the disaster in New Orleans EXEMPLIFIED WHY you DO NOT want to depend on big government hacks to save your ass. In other words, the bigger the disaster, the more important it is that local people using local resources, working closely together, respond. The feds MAY be of some use, when they get there, two weeks later!

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Wow. It's amazing that one only needs to discuss Katrina and New Orleans in any context to be labelled a racist. It's one aspect of our problem of a welfare society and the mentality that goes along with it.
There have been 45,000 applications for FEMA housing assistance so far in the Midwest, with most of the people wanting to stay in their damaged homes. It's not an insignificant number, in my opinion. It's a rather amazing position to take, trivializing the flooding in the Midwest, yet promoting the view that all those affected by Katrina - in New Orleans - were (are) "helpless victims".
It's sort of like what happened all over the Gulf Coast really. There are entire towns that were washed away, there are STILL people living in tents/trailers and many, many people who lost their homes and their belongings. Yet we all only heard about what happened in New Orleans, day after day after day.

It's interesting that what you are finding as "evidence" of racism is actually a parody of what the MAYOR STATED in New Orleans. A statement that almost instantly was "forgotten" about by the Main Stream Media. When you begin to discuss racism, I think first and foremost you need to be objective, which it does not appear you are being.

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My parents are both from Iowa and I was raised in Minnesota, and I know the value of people helping each other out in a disaster. I have no doubt that the good people of Iowa helped each other during this terrible disaster. I also have no doubt the majority of people in New Orleans would have helped each other out as well, if they could have. The scale created problems that made that nearly impossible.

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In the case of a disaster of the magnitude of Iowa or Katrina, ALL people have the ABILITY to help one another, unfortunately, the WILL to do so may not exist.

The "scale of the Katrina disaster made that all but impossible" (paraphrased) is a lame-ass excuse attempting to justify the lack of New Orlean's community cohesiveness, determination, grit, independence, and determination to pull together. What was EXPECTED by the affected citizens of New Orleans was an instantaneous response by "the government" to magically solve all their problems while they sat back on their welfare-supported asses listening to their idiot mayor decry the racist inaction of the racist government. The scale of the disaster made an instant solution impossible, and the situation suddenly became a race issue. "The government" was racist because a large number of affected persons were black and, surely, because they are black, that MUST be the reason they did not receive an immediate response from "the government".

We live in a society that has come to expect instant gratification and we are all ready to point fingers and place blame anywhere but upon ourselves. The citizens of Cedar Rapids (and other affected areas of Iowa) clearly have the WILL to help others, and in turn, help themselves. That is why Iowa will recover and prosper within a relatively short period of time. They are willing to fix the problems fixable by human effort and determination.

On the other hand, New Orleans black community will continue to be inflamed by the racist rhetoric of their moronic mayor continually spewing BS about how "the government" owes them a wonderful life, and they should continue to play the race card in an attempt to obtain everything they are unwilling to work for (and, therefore, do not deserve). New Orleans needs a wake-up call.

Believe it or not, most white people are not "race-ist", they are however "attitude-ist". I don't care if you are green as long as you don't expect and demand the unreasonable.

You are way off-base intimating anything racist in other's postings
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....When you begin to discuss racism, I think first and foremost you need to be objective, which it does not appear you are being.
Aaaahhhhhhhh, you have just hit the ol' perverbial nail on the head. It's nearly impossible to be "objective" when you're all about emotion. Objectivity would require logic. Logic requires that you turn off your one big feeling.
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....The "scale of the Katrina disaster made that all but impossible" (paraphrased) is a lame-ass excuse attempting to justify the lack of New Orlean's community cohesiveness, determination, grit, independence, and determination to pull together. What was EXPECTED by the affected citizens of New Orleans was an instantaneous response by "the government" to magically solve all their problems while they sat back on their welfare-supported asses listening to their idiot mayor decry the racist inaction of the racist government....We live in a society that has come to expect instant gratification and we are all ready to point fingers and place blame anywhere but upon ourselves....
When you've never had to work for anything and everything is handed to you on a silver platter, how else would one act? You know no other way! So imagine all of the sudden you not only have to save your ass but your neighbor's ass.....

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