Originally Posted by monmon2
Damn Doug...You need to run for the legislature or congress. All we need is another law or regulation to take away our rights. We have lost so many already in my lifetime by the so called do-gooders. I completely disagree with this point of view. May sound good to some...but case in point. My friend and yours first motorcycle was a K1200LT. Could not even ride it when he bought it. Had the dealer deliver to his house. He (Dick Largen) took the riders course and has been riding for years with no problems. Can you imagine what he would look like riding a small bike
Oucheeee - you thinkin' monkey on a football or sumpthin'?!!!!
I dunno - I'm kinda on the fence on this one. Paradoxically, when I took the MSF BRC, all they had on the range were Honda 'Nighthawks'; leetle 250cc thangs. (There's your monkey on a football pic!!). What I got outta the course that helped me wuz: how to mount the bugger; how to turn on ignition, fire it up and take off; how to stop, turn it off in correct sequence, and dismount; how to countersteer (butt mostly in the classroom environment); and some classroom safety instruction.
Now here is where I side with Doug - if BOTH the MSF courses, and the local Driver's Ed classes, involved more of the real world experience, I think folks would come outta class a LOT better graduates than they do now. Get me out in some traffic; take me thru some stop-n-go intersections; teach me how to watch all the thangs I need to look out for to be a safe driver/rider; give me real world experience in making proper lane changes, or changing direction of travel for accident avoidance. I know they put these leetle cones out on a huge parking lot and I gotta weave thru 'em; stop at a certain point; look both ways; engage blinkers, etc. Butt after that, the streets around my casa don't have leetle cones; they're not huge parking lots; and there are a lot more cognitive thangs to sort out than a painted stripe on a piece of asphalt, with spaced cones.
Now - having said all that; for the basic rider course, if you're going after JUST THE BASICS, then I realize you gotta start and stop somewhere. Butt a follow-up requirement should be the ERC on a bike that you own, and again, take me off the huge parking lot with a painted box - Boerne don't got those!! The painted box shows what me and ole Toad are capable of doing (or not doing), butt when I find the situation where I have to employ that capability, there are gonna be a lot more outside stimulus that I need to recognize than a leetle ole painted box!
Realizing a pack of students out on the city streets isn't gonna happen, I still think two/three in a group, with a good leader and some prior instructions on what might possibly be encountered, and what we're gonna look for, is better than that huge parking lot exercise - after which I'm on my own in a much different environment.
So - yep, it ain't gonna happen, even if it is a good thang. I've heard tell that some European countries do have a stepped riding registration before one can graduate to larger scoots, and eventually cages. I don't know that all of Europe is that way, nor do I know where it is employed. Butt it sure would've helped me in my scoot-formative years. I rode a '63 Triumph 650 Bonneville in Taiwan for three years, and to this day, don't know how I survived - no training; no mentor; no riding buddies any smarter than me; and no ATGATT ('cept when on base, some type of helmet wuz required - I think it coulda even been like one of Grif's tin foil thangies!!
). Butt, here I are, putting ole Toad thru the paces, sporting the angel bell that Grif gave us, and enjoying the ride. Still run about 110% paying attention and the rest luck!!! Ride safe, all.
Hey Doug, you got a huge parking lot over by your place - that baseball complex!! Wanna do an ERC brush up when they're not running the bases???