Originally Posted by KMC1
For the record, Bob, I really enjoy reading your posts. You really sound like an honest to goodness, levelheaded Yankee - Location notwithstanding...
I understand and agree with the points you are trying to make.
Thanks Kevin. I've been called a lot of things, but it's been a long time since I was called a levelheaded Yankee.
I agree with you completely regarding polygamy. It's a morality law, which the government has no place in imposing. It ranks up there with gambling, prostitution, and a myriad of other "crimes" that are used to force one person's moral views onto another. It's violent, it's un-American, and I don't think it's what Jesus would do.
I have no interest in polygamy myself. It may start off nice, but most relationships do. Later, instead of one woman nagging at you when you get home, you'll have several. Yikes. Women are much better at manipulating men than the other way around. Multiple partners should be rented, not bought. JMHO.
That said, the most freedom-loving Libertarian has a hard time with where to draw the line on possible child abuse. What's abuse? Some would say teaching them the wrong religion or, aghast, no religion
I don't know what the reality is in this story, yet. I know I won't learn anything by listening to talking heads all day making stuff up because they're too lazy and cheap to do any real investigative reporting. It was the same garbage with the Duke LaCrosse team charged with raping the stripper. They were the victims, but the talking heads lambasted them, and the DA was criminally hiding evidence that didn't support his "big case".
From Don's latest update, this case may be similar. We've only heard one side of the story. There are no "reps" from the polygamy group talking. The state hasn't made their case yet, but the court of popular opinion has them convicted. If the charge is horrific enough, you're guilty until proven innocent. That's not what this country is supposed to be about.
The DCS has a particularly bad history, and I distrust pretty much anything they say. People feel they are so necessary to protect children, but like any government organization, their top priority is CYA, which leads to a lot of bad results for the children. It's a tough job. When do you try and find evidence of abuse so you have cause to forcibly take children from their parents, and when do you take them first, without due process, to protect the child (although what DCS does with them afterwards is often worse than the situation they were removed from)? I don't know how to handle this, but I won't pretend that DCS is a good solution.
Gerhard, you make a good point about circumcision. I think a lot of people are recognizing there's little value in it. I'm sure it really pissed me off at the time. It is strictly a cultural/religious act that many cultures would find horrific. Now that I think about it, I want my foreskin back.