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Has anyone read the “Online Motorcycle Boards” article in the April issue of Motorcycle Consumer News? I don’t see any of the concerns on this board that LT Snyder brought up in his article, but I have noticed that we are part of the “Enthusiast Communities, LLC” that he mentioned. I have a tremendous amount of respect and appreciation for those that manage and contribute to keeping this site the “Wellspring of Knowledge” that it is. (Pretty good entertainment, too) I have certainly gained a lot from this site and the CCRs are well organized -and great fun. Hopefully we can remain a “family” and not get over commercialized like the article suggest is happening to other similar boards. Just my $ .02.

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Has anyone read the “Online Motorcycle Boards” article in the April issue of Motorcycle Consumer News? I don’t see any of the concerns on this board that LT Snyder brought up in his article, but I have noticed that we are part of the “Enthusiast Communities, LLC” that he mentioned. I have a tremendous amount of respect and appreciation for those that manage and contribute to keeping this site the “Wellspring of Knowledge” that it is. (Pretty good entertainment, too) I have certainly gained a lot from this site and the CCRs are well organized -and great fun. Hopefully we can remain a “family” and not get over commercialized like the article suggest is happening to other similar boards. Just my $ .02.
Yes, I read the article. I wrote a letter to the editor asking them how they can print such totally inaccurate drivel, with no attempt at fact checking. I was hopeful they would respond to my email prior to addressing the editorial in this forum.

You can find the editorial here.

The facts are that Enthusiast Communities, LLC is the company Andy, Jeff and I formed when we moved this forum to vBulletin based software - October 1, 2005. While Mr Snyder may have 'just noticed' the blurb at the bottom, it has been there for two and one half years. While he rails at the corporate takeover of web communities such as this, the fact is that you belong to one of the few communities that is owned by motorcyclists, operated by motorcyclists and committed to the joy of motorcycling.

Why is there an Enthusiast Communities, LLC? We formed a company (a limited liability partnership) as a means of providing a modicum of legal insulation between an entity we operate as a hobby and our personal lives.

You will not notice banner ads on this website and we are not beholdin' to any of our supporting dealers. Mr Snyder estimates that we bring in $175,000 per year through the advertising on this website. A simple check at the bottom under 'Support this Community' will show you that vendors and dealers pay $120 per year to support this community. If Mr Snyder had taken a simple look at this fact or if he had bothered to contact us to find out the facts, he would have found that his estimate of advertising income for this community was off by over $172,000.00.

The facts are simple:
  • This community is NOT owned by a faceless corporation. It is owned by individuals who are committed to the motorcycling community.
  • This website does not have banner ads, Google ad ribbons or any other form of intrusive advertising.
  • The owners of this website do not derive any income whatsoever from this community, in fact we are net contributors.
  • The individuals who own this community are the same ones who started it nearly 6 years ago. I worked with Bruce Wagner in 1999 as we were starting the original eGroups mailing list that was the true beginning of this community.
If it sounds like I am more than a little pissed - I am. The fact that Mr. Snyder would jump to such totally inaccurate conclusions and print baseless innuendo really floors me. MCN would allow such an editorial be published and completely ignore my written demands for an opportunity to correct the inaccuracies, makes me sceptical of the value of anything they publish. To suggest that this community is one of 'those' that the author is so adamantly opposed to , causes harm to the very kind of community that he laments having lost.

This community does not control the message. The only control we place on our members posting is to make it compliant with the site guidelines. The supporting vendors and dealers do not influence the control of the message around here. In fact we control their ability to overwhelm us with their message. Vendors are confined to their own forums - we completely prohibit any commercial messages within our general forums.

If you ever want to speak with the 'faceless' corporation that is Enthusiast Communities, LLC drop a PM to me or Andy. Or you can look for other individuals who volunteer as Moderators around here - most of them spend more time helping to manage this community than they do riding.

You can also find me working on another CCR this year (my 9th) along with many other hard working and unpaid volunteers.

Please take a moment and drop MCN an email at [email protected] and let them know how disappointed you are that they would do a hatchet job on one of the few remaining enthusiast owned and operated motorcycle web communities remaining. Ask them why they chose not to respond to a request for clarification. Ask them why you should trust them to get any facts correct , when they completely missed on these that are easy to check.

Below is the message I sent them.

To Whom it May Concern;

I just read an editorial in your April 2008 issue by LT Snyder. It was quite distressing to read some glaring errors and incorrect suppositions in the article. I am the managing partner of Enthusiast Communities, LLC. We own and operate bmwlt.com and www.k-bikes.com. We have owned and operated these sites since the beginning, we created both of them. I am currently an owner of 5 BMW motorcycles and am a frequent participant in the forums. We created www.bmwlt.com (then www.k1200lt.net) April1 , 2002 to replace the message group we had created on the old eGroups (now Yahoogroups) mailing list. We created the k1200lt forum on eGroups in 1999 as we were among the first to own a K1200LT – I purchased the second or third sold in Denver. When the advertising on Yahoogroups got too intrusive, we started the k1200lt.net forums, at our own expense, to provide our members with a focused community, free from intrusive advertising. I still operate the Yahoogroups k1200lt list for those who simply will not leave that format.

In October 2005 we formed Enthusiast Communities, LLC, primarily to provide a layer of insulation between this hobby and our personal finances. Enthusiast Communities, LLC is still limited to two partners - I am the manager and Andreas Pleschutznig is the technical manager. We own 100% of the company and we are definitely not some monolithic corporation out for profit.

When the author of the editorial states that he ‘estimated the board was taking in approximately $175,000 each year in sponsor fees’, he couldn’t be further off target. If you click on the ‘Support this Community’ button at the bottom of either of our websites, you will see that vendor or dealer sponsorship costs just $120.00 per year. Our current vendor income generates less in revenue than we spend on ISP charges alone. In all of our years of operating these communities we have not received any financial compensation whatsoever. We have not even tried to recoup our initial expenses we incurred when we formed the independent operation nearly six years ago.

The supporting dealers and vendors have no control over what is posted in our communities whatsoever. We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members. The only control we impose on posting in our forums is if there is a violation of our clearly stated site guidelines.

I am one of the founding directors of Curve Cowboy Reunion, have been chairman of that organization in 2003 and 2005 and am currently the vice-Chairman for 2008. I am slated to be the chairman again for our tenth Reunion in 2009. That organization is a IRS 501(c)3 non-profit dedicated to the BMW luxury touring community. Our annual reunion generates over $20,000 in charitable contributions given to local charities at the end of each year’s reunion. You can find out more about that organization at www.curvecowboyreunion.com. To mention Enthusiast Communities, LLC as one of the bad guys, is a complete disservice to our current and future membership. If the author of the editorial had done even a modicum of due diligence, he would have learned that we operate one of the few communities that remains true to our members. All he would have had to do is contact us to ask us about the board ownership, the makeup of our partnership or any other item that he merely supposes in the article. He would have gotten concise and open answers from me. If you or the author wants to speak directly with me, I am available at any time. You can find me hanging out on our communities with the username of ‘Randy’, you can email me or you can call me at (303) XXX-XXXX.

It is unfortunate that the author of your editorial was so careless in his investigation of the ‘facts’ stated in his article. The truth about us and what we do would probably be a better read and inspire a lot more interest from your readers. I am surprised and a little disappointed that a magazine such as yours, which I always thought to be as pure as our communities, would print something without any effort to fact check. I will certainly read any articles published in your magazine with a skeptical eye.

I must, most emphatically, ask you to publish an equally visible article stating the truth about our communities. I am hopeful that your blatant misstatement of the facts will not cause any long-term harm to come to our communities.


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Yes, I read the article. I wrote a letter to the editor asking them how they can print such totally inaccurate drivel, with no attempt at fact checking. I was hopeful they would respond to my email prior to addressing the editorial in this forum.

You can find the editorial here.

The facts are that Enthusiast Communities, LLC is the company Andy, Jeff and I formed when we moved this forum to vBulletin based software - October 1, 2005. While Mr Snyder may have 'just noticed' the blurb at the bottom, it has been there for two and one half years. While he rails at the corporate takeover of web communities such as this, the fact is that you belong to one of the few communities that is owned by motorcyclists, operated by motorcyclists and committed to the joy of motorcycling.

Why is there an Enthusiast Communities, LLC? We formed a company (a limited liability partnership) as a means of providing a modicum of legal insulation between an entity we operate as a hobby and our personal lives.

You will not notice banner ads on this website and we are not beholdin' to any of our supporting dealers. Mr Snyder estimates that we bring in $175,000 per year through the advertising on this website. A simple check at the bottom under 'Support this Community' will show you that vendors and dealers pay $120 per year to support this community. If Mr Snyder had taken a simple look at this fact or if he had bothered to contact us to find out the facts, he would have found that his estimate of advertising income for this community was off by over $172,000.00.

The facts are simple:
  • This community is NOT owned by a faceless corporation. It is owned by individuals who are committed to the motorcycling community.
  • This website does not have banner ads, Google ad ribbons or any other form of intrusive advertising.
  • The owners of this website do not derive any income whatsoever from this community, in fact we are net contributors.
  • The individuals who own this community are the same ones who started it nearly 6 years ago. I worked with Bruce Wagner in 1999 as we were starting the original eGroups mailing list that was the true beginning of this community.
If it sounds like I am more than a little pissed - I am. The fact that Mr. Snyder would jump to such totally inaccurate conclusions and print baseless innuendo really floors me. MCN would allow such an editorial be published and completely ignore my written demands for an opportunity to correct the inaccuracies, makes me sceptical of the value of anything they publish. To suggest that this community is one of 'those' that the author is so adamantly opposed to , causes harm to the very kind of community that he laments having lost.

This community does not control the message. The only control we place on our members posting is to make it compliant with the site guidelines. The supporting vendors and dealers do not influence the control of the message around here. In fact we control their ability to overwhelm us with their message. Vendors are confined to their own forums - we completely prohibit any commercial messages within our general forums.

If you ever want to speak with the 'faceless' corporation that is Enthusiast Communities, LLC drop a PM to me or Andy. Or you can look for other individuals who volunteer as Moderators around here - most of them spend more time helping to manage this community than they do riding.

You can also find me working on another CCR this year (my 9th) along with many other hard working and unpaid volunteers.

Please take a moment and drop MCN an email at [email protected] and let them know how disappointed you are that they would do a hatchet job on one of the few remaining enthusiast owned and operated motorcycle web communities remaining. Ask them why they chose not to respond to a request for clarification. Ask them why you should trust them to get any facts correct , when they completely missed on these that are easy to check.

Below is the message I sent them.

To Whom it May Concern;

I just read an editorial in your April 2008 issue by LT Snyder. It was quite distressing to read some glaring errors and incorrect suppositions in the article. I am the managing partner of Enthusiast Communities, LLC. We own and operate bmwlt.com and www.k-bikes.com. We have owned and operated these sites since the beginning, we created both of them. I am currently an owner of 5 BMW motorcycles and am a frequent participant in the forums. We created www.bmwlt.com (then www.k1200lt.net) April1 , 2002 to replace the message group we had created on the old eGroups (now Yahoogroups) mailing list. We created the k1200lt forum on eGroups in 1999 as we were among the first to own a K1200LT – I purchased the second or third sold in Denver. When the advertising on Yahoogroups got too intrusive, we started the k1200lt.net forums, at our own expense, to provide our members with a focused community, free from intrusive advertising. I still operate the Yahoogroups k1200lt list for those who simply will not leave that format.

In October 2005 we formed Enthusiast Communities, LLC, primarily to provide a layer of insulation between this hobby and our personal finances. Enthusiast Communities, LLC is still limited to two partners - I am the manager and Andreas Pleschutznig is the technical manager. We own 100% of the company and we are definitely not some monolithic corporation out for profit.

When the author of the editorial states that he ‘estimated the board was taking in approximately $175,000 each year in sponsor fees’, he couldn’t be further off target. If you click on the ‘Support this Community’ button at the bottom of either of our websites, you will see that vendor or dealer sponsorship costs just $120.00 per year. Our current vendor income generates less in revenue than we spend on ISP charges alone. In all of our years of operating these communities we have not received any financial compensation whatsoever. We have not even tried to recoup our initial expenses we incurred when we formed the independent operation nearly six years ago.

The supporting dealers and vendors have no control over what is posted in our communities whatsoever. We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members. The only control we impose on posting in our forums is if there is a violation of our clearly stated site guidelines.

I am one of the founding directors of Curve Cowboy Reunion, have been chairman of that organization in 2003 and 2005 and am currently the vice-Chairman for 2008. I am slated to be the chairman again for our tenth Reunion in 2009. That organization is a IRS 501(c)3 non-profit dedicated to the BMW luxury touring community. Our annual reunion generates over $20,000 in charitable contributions given to local charities at the end of each year’s reunion. You can find out more about that organization at www.curvecowboyreunion.com. To mention Enthusiast Communities, LLC as one of the bad guys, is a complete disservice to our current and future membership. If the author of the editorial had done even a modicum of due diligence, he would have learned that we operate one of the few communities that remains true to our members. All he would have had to do is contact us to ask us about the board ownership, the makeup of our partnership or any other item that he merely supposes in the article. He would have gotten concise and open answers from me. If you or the author wants to speak directly with me, I am available at any time. You can find me hanging out on our communities with the username of ‘Randy’, you can email me or you can call me at (303) XXX-XXXX.

It is unfortunate that the author of your editorial was so careless in his investigation of the ‘facts’ stated in his article. The truth about us and what we do would probably be a better read and inspire a lot more interest from your readers. I am surprised and a little disappointed that a magazine such as yours, which I always thought to be as pure as our communities, would print something without any effort to fact check. I will certainly read any articles published in your magazine with a skeptical eye.

I must, most emphatically, ask you to publish an equally visible article stating the truth about our communities. I am hopeful that your blatant misstatement of the facts will not cause any long-term harm to come to our communities.


Randy Prade,
Manager,
Enthusiast Communities, LLC
www.bmwlt.com
www.k-bikes.com

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Thanks for the heads up Randy. Sounds like the guy has an axe to grind about something. Hopefully he will stand up and print a retraction with the facts...

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Yet another good media story that didn't get ruined by letting the facts get in the way.

I was once a member of a forum that WAS taken over by a faceless company.
The difference was clear;

The old editor of the magazine (who started the forum) was online every day and posted away so much we wondered how the magazine ever got published.
The new editor - 6 posts in 6 months. All but the first warning people to stop doing the magazine down or get barred.

Mr Randy has posted 3400+ times on this incarnation alone - If you were running this as a faceless business, we would be paying a fortune for your advice!!

If you wanted to take the money and run, my advice would be to aproach BMW and show them how much they are loosing by this community due to the empowerment it has given us and our spanners! They would give you a small fortune to take this off the air and get everyone back in their overpriced service departments.

Personally I would prefer to give the community my money and share some real impartial advice from some great people that ride the same bike as me.

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I just sent an email also. That was sure a blatantly ignorant article if there ever was one!

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Thanks for the heads up Randy. Sounds like the guy has an axe to grind about something. Hopefully he will stand up and print a retraction with the facts...
...in page 64 and in small print!
I just sent them an e-mail as well.

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LT Snyder is an a$$. He counts up the number of sponsors on the site, and by his "wild guess" (what he calls an "estimate") comes up with $175,000.00? Blatantly poor journalism... How does that article contribute to, or have anything to do with, motorcycling?

He didn't even get the number of "Banner Ads" (0) correct.

FWIW - who cares if this site actually shows a profit anyway (I hope it does)??? Is MCNews a non-profit?

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It confirms what I have observed for a long time:

Anytime I see or hear something published that I have first hand knowledge of, they (TV, Radio, Paper) have it at least partially wrong.

No surprise here. The salvation is the Internet. If you search enough different sources, eventually a clear picture emerges.

Randy, Andy, and all the volunteers, keep up the GREAT job. The friends we have met, the knowledge I have gained (not limited to motorcycle issues) and the satisfaction arrived from helping others are priceless. And if we need to contribute more to keep it as commercial free and as friendly as it is: Let me know how much!

You guys should add up how much we have given to charities, list the charities and demand that they publish this. Maybe we can get the charities to send testimonials too.

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You guys should add up how much we have given to charities, list the charities and demand that they publish this. Maybe we can get the charities to send testimonials too.
Or better yet, MCNews can donate to the CCR charity event...!

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Has anyone read the “Online Motorcycle Boards” article in the April issue of Motorcycle Consumer News? I don’t see any of the concerns on this board that LT Snyder brought up in his article, but I have noticed that we are part of the “Enthusiast Communities, LLC” that he mentioned. I have a tremendous amount of respect and appreciation for those that manage and contribute to keeping this site the “Wellspring of Knowledge” that it is. (Pretty good entertainment, too) I have certainly gained a lot from this site and the CCRs are well organized -and great fun. Hopefully we can remain a “family” and not get over commercialized like the article suggest is happening to other similar boards. Just my $ .02.
As I originally stated, I haven't observed the kind of practices LT Snyder alleged in his article. I also did not know that "Enthusiast Communities, LLC" was a 2-person "corporation". In any case I have fired off an email to MCN questioning their tactics and integrity. I am a looong time subscriber and made note of that to them(if it makes any difference).

Regardless, I'll say again that I have gained a lot from this site, appreciate those that make it what it is, and I will continue to support it. Thanks.

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Also sent an email to Dave Searle to publish a correction. Thanks Randy

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MCNews has a forum where you can express your opinion as well.

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Dear "faceless ones"...

Keep up the good work (obviously not an "outsourced" product)

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Yet another reason why I dropped my subscription to this rag. Man has it gone downhill over the years.

I sent them an email as well.

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I sent an email too. I'll post if I get any response...

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"LT Snyder" is a complete idiot. What a bunch of drivel, I guess he simply could not find anything interesting to write about so decided to make up a bunch of ****.

I just canceled my subscription to the new and improved "Hollywood" MCN with prejudice.

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Randy: You have learned something that I learned some years ago. After being involved in several Newsworthy stories, I discovered that they were just that (STORIES), The Arthur never took the time to fully understand what he was writing about, only in a hurry to print/ report the story. Therefore the public never gets the true or full story.

It is to the point that the only information from the "NEWS" is the weather and they cant get that right most of the time!

You would think that an article written for a monthly magazine would have plenty of time to research the facts, it is not like having a deadline before the newshour.

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"LT Snyder" is a complete idiot. What a bunch of drivel, I guess he simply could not find anything interesting to write about so decided to make up a bunch of ****.

I just canceled my subscription to the new and improved "Hollywood" MCN with prejudice.

What a worthless rag.
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This is a perfect example why I can stand to read "Motor Trend" and other such rags.... "The Motor Trend Car of the Year" always goes to the highest bidder... not to the car that is actually a dependable good car.

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After being involved in several Newsworthy stories, I discovered that they were just that (STORIES), The Arthur never took the time to fully understand what he was writing about, only in a hurry to print/ report the story. Therefore the public never gets the true or full story.
And that's just assuming it's the harried reporters and editors overlooking things and making simple mistakes, rather than the upper brass actively trying to spin everything to their own ends. Keep up the vigilance guys, it's just gonna get thicker and deeper as November approaches.

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Still no reply from Franke or LT Snyder.
You *REALLY* thought you would get a *REAL* response? The way I see it Mr. Snyder wrote an article where he did not do his journalistic duty to even check the facts he himself came up with, and now there is not enough space in the paper to backpedal his way out of that, other than to admit he was wrong. And as to the chances of that happen in an equally prominent visible spot in the paper: I'll offer a friendly wager of $1 against that. Only real Journalists do that and can do that. But then, a real journalist wouldn't have made a mistake like that in the first place.

Anywhoo. I think this will end up to become a verb: "You did another LTSnyder on me" meaning you spread another lie. Or worse: "I will mcn you" : I am gonna lie about you and I will even print it!. LOL
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I'll echo what others have said - Wolfgang said it best I think -- Randy, Andy, and all the volunteers, keep up the GREAT job. The friends we have met, the knowledge I have gained (not limited to motorcycle issues) and the satisfaction arrived from helping others are priceless. And if we need to contribute more to keep it as commercial free and as friendly as it is: Let me know how much!


I followed Ron's lead and canceled my subscription (I am not as optimistic as the Dragon is) with the following comment...
"LT Snyder's editorial in April was grossly inaccurate and should never have made it past the review process. Consequently, I no longer have faith in the integrity of the magazine..."

So, what I would have spent on this magazine will now get added here...

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....He counts up the number of sponsors on the site, and by his "wild guess" (what he calls an "estimate") comes up with $175,000.00?....
A classic WAG! Wild Ass Guess. Like an estimate, but a lot "looser."
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I quite getting MCNews 15 years ago . They were crying about the price of a set of saddle bags on a BMW . They were cheaper that a set on a Honda at the time in there article , but that were wa..wa..wa.. . So I stopped getting it . There opinion ain't worth the paper it's written on

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It's been a while but I vaguely recall a quote from one of my high school courses along the lines of "He who doth protest too much...." Don't recall the rest of it. Does this ring a bell with anyone on the board?
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It's been a while but I vaguely recall a quote from one of my high school courses along the lines of "He who doth protest too much...." Don't recall the rest of it. Does this ring a bell with anyone on the board?
The quote I remember was from William Shakespeare: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" - though I am not sure how it applies to this.

In Shakespeare's time when Queen Gertrude uttered the line in Hamlet, the word 'protest' had a completely different meaning. In the context of the time protest did not mean to object, but to vow or to declare solemnly, much like the primary meaning of 'protestation'.

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The quote I remember was from William Shakespeare: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" - though I am not sure how it applies to this.

When Queen Gertrude uttered the line in Hamlet, the word 'protest' had a completely different meaning in Shakespeare's time. In the context of the time protest did not mean to object, but to vow or to declare solemnly, much like the primary meaning of 'protestation'.



He's just trying to stir the pot Randy with out actually saying anything or adding anything meaningful to the discussion...

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This just adds to the laundry list of reasons why I let my long time subscription to MCN lapse. It's really gone down hill in the last 18 months.

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I'm waiting another month or 2 just to see if anything else is printed in MCNews about all of our letters and emails protesting this deceitful article. In the absence of seeing a retraction or apology, I to, will be canceling my subscription. Which, by the way, I have had for about 20 years. Since I haven't received a response from either of the 2 emails I have sent, I guess they won't miss me. Now let's see if they are honest enough to refund my 2 year prepaid subscrition.

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  • This community is NOT owned by a faceless corporation. It is owned by individuals who are committed to the motorcycling community.
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Sorry, Randy. You know I have a warped sense of humor.

LT Snyder's motivation is perfectly clear here. The web is making print magazines obsolete, so he's lobbing a few grenades. However, he crossed the line with such vicious slander. It's appalling. This is going to backfire on MCN big time. They owe you and Andy a huge apology. I can't think of anyone who's done more for the BMW motorcycling community than you guys.
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Yep, you can see my office right up there at the top. Close enough that I can make it to the helicopter pad on the roof in under 4 seconds. Wouldn't want to waste any time getting to the airport so I can jet across the country in that shiny new Gulfstream G650 this site bought us.

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Sorry, Randy. You know I have a warped sense of humor.

LT Snyder's motivation is perfectly clear here. The web is making print magazines obsolete, so he's lobbing a few grenades. However, he crossed the line with such vicious slander. It's appalling. This is going to backfire on MCN big time. They owe you and Andy a huge apology. I can't think of anyone who's done more for the BMW motorcycling community than you guys.
Thanks Joel - but I really like that building. Maybe we should rethink this whole thing.


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hey Joel,

As a result of your hilarious irrevrence....you owe me a keyboard.

BTW did you zoom in on the center top of that building?
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Well, heck if this big Corp goes Public I want some stock baby since it's a valuable commodity.

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As a result of your hilarious irrevrence....you owe me a keyboard.

BTW did you zoom in on the center top of that building?
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I got a shot of part of the IT Team in that big fancy office building...
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