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DNA Databases - Good or Bad?

In the UK, if you get arrested, you get a DNA sample taken.
Even if you are released uncharged - the DNA stays on the database forever.
Example of a 14 year old girl here, mistakenly arrested and released within 40 minetes - DNA will be kept forever.
The police here have targets for DNA colelction that they must meet to fill their database. Some high profile cases have been solved recently through this method, but some people are saying that the database can be misused.
What do you have in the States?
What do you think of this?

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We're fine over here, as we have Homeland Security to keep us safe. And they would never use their powers or authority for anything but the common good. Honest.

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We're fine over here, as we have Homeland Security to keep us safe. And they would never use their powers or authority for anything but the common good. Honest.
Thanks for the (nervous) belly laugh ...
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I think if the DNA is used STRICTLY for criminal investigation, I'd be alright with it. The problem is, there is enormous potential for abuse. One example that comes to mind: health insurers access the database to figure out who is prone to cancer, and use the information to deny coverage. Another example: corporations access the database to determination employee lineage.

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eHarmony can misuse the database to match people!!!

Oh the horror!!!

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If used for criminal database...I am 100% for it.
I also agree that the potential for misuse given our national obsession with Corporate greed is unfathomable!

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meese - 10,000th post WTG!!!

Anyway, back the subject.
I brought this up as a scinario that came to my hearing and is VERY easy to replicate.
Over here the media and political security freaks are repeating the mantra "If you have done nothing wrong - you have nothing to worry about"
Well think about this scinario - Man kills his wife - rubs her clothes with items such as clothes, toothbrush, comb, or eating utensils, which would provide samples of DNA. These items had been STOLEN from her ex-husbands house. The killer knew the ex had been arrested for pety theft the previous year and therefore would have been on the DNA database. If the ex does not have a sound alibi - he would go down for sure. In some states of America, I guess he could be executed!
Its getting silly here " The Home Office has published proposals for extending the existing database by taking samples from people detained for minor, or non-recordable offences, such as not wearing a seatbelt."


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Why do you guys need DNA anyway? With as many cameras as there are in the UK, everything is on tape, anyway. I guess it gives them something else to put on the ASBO forms.

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Why do you guys need DNA anyway? With as many cameras as there are in the UK, everything is on tape, anyway. I guess it gives them something else to put on the ASBO forms.
Shit man, if there had been an 'Anti-social Behavior' monitoring group in the '60s...none of us would be HERE today to talk about it, complain and decry it now!!

Ken, congrats on the 10K... You talk too much!

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Shit man, if there had been an 'Anti-social Behavior' monitoring group in the '60s...none of us would be HERE today to talk about it, complain and decry it now!!
I think we've all had our moments, though most of mine have been on two wheels (yes, it started with terrorizing the neighborhood on bicycles and just grew from there).

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Ken, congrats on the 10K... You talk too much!
Yeah, I've heard that before . . .

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meese - 10,000th post WTG!!!

Anyway, back the subject.
I brought this up as a scinario that came to my hearing and is VERY easy to replicate.
Over here the media and political security freaks are repeating the mantra "If you have done nothing wrong - you have nothing to worry about"
Well think about this scinario - Man kills his wife - rubs her clothes with items such as clothes, toothbrush, comb, or eating utensils, which would provide samples of DNA. These items had been STOLEN from her ex-husbands house. The killer knew the ex had been arrested for pety theft the previous year and therefore would have been on the DNA database. If the ex does not have a sound alibi - he would go down for sure. In some states of America, I guess he could be executed!
Its getting silly here " The Home Office has published proposals for extending the existing database by taking samples from people detained for minor, or non-recordable offences, such as not wearing a seatbelt."

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You guys recall what our forefathers did with a little gig where we told the king "no thanks".

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Cookie..
You guys recall what our forefathers did with a little gig where we told the king "no thanks".
That upset over the tea bags?

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That upset over the tea bags?
Nah.. I actually like tea.. in fact, I have a pot running now.... but I don't think it's the kind "the king" would prefer.. :}

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We're fine over here, as we have Homeland Security to keep us safe. And they would never use their powers or authority for anything but the common good. Honest.
AND they do a great job at the border!
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....The problem is, there is enormous potential for abuse. One example that comes to mind: health insurers access the database to figure out who is prone to cancer, and use the information to deny coverage. Another example: corporations access the database to determination employee lineage.
Wonder if those big "EVIL" corporations would mind telling us?!
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....Well think about this scinario - Man kills his wife - rubs her clothes with items such as clothes, toothbrush, comb, or eating utensils, which would provide samples of DNA. These items had been STOLEN from her ex-husbands house. The killer knew the ex had been arrested for pety theft the previous year and therefore would have been on the DNA database. If the ex does not have a sound alibi - he would go down for sure. In some states of America, I guess he could be executed!....
LOL! He should be so lucky! The real issue is, was he wearing his seat belt to/from the killing(s)?!
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....I also agree that the potential for misuse given our national obsession with Corporate greed is unfathomable!
Like those "EVIL" big oil companies that so many pension funds are invested in?
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That upset over the tea bags?
YES! That's why we drink Guinness! OR is that guilt?....

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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I won't debate the good or evil of DNA databases; however, the argument regarding the "right to privacy" is a fallacy. The word "privacy" is never mentioned, nor is it implied anywhere in the constitution. The current privacy laws that are on the books are based upon a very rose colored glasses view of the constitution, and can change one way or the other based on the whims of the Supreme Court. If you squint hard enough, you can make the argument that privacy is implied in the 1st, 4th, 9th, and 10th amendments (and even if you strain really hard, the 2nd and 3rd as well), but the word "privacy" was never explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights or anywhere in the Constitution. The question is why? Were our forefathers not concerned about privacy, or did they not comprehend the ease of which information could be made available about a person in today's world, or did they leave it out on purpose?

Given that the North Dallas Tollway Authority and American Express know more about my life than any other person on Earth, I believe that privacy is, will be, and always has been an illusion.


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....the argument regarding the "right to privacy" is a fallacy. The word "privacy" is never mentioned, nor is it implied anywhere in the constitution....
I have the local killing center (abortion mill) a few doors down from me. The ladies were talking about their "constitutional right" to privacy. I told them that the constitution guaranteed no such right. They were outraged!

I explained that much like their favorite activist judge(s), they too were free to "rewrite" the constitution any time they wished. They FELT much better.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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