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Headed to downtown Cleveland ... driving in moderately heavy traffic on the freeway as it is just the other side of 6 o'clock, people headed home from work you know. I pass the parked LEO, and he pulls me over. I honestly don't know how fast I was going, but find 84 a bit hard to believe, given that there was a car in front of me. Also, given the fact that I hit the brakes when my V1 went off. The ticket states that my vehicle is BLUE. Huh?! My Equinox is charcoal grey. I'm fighting this one.


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Headed to downtown Cleveland ... driving in moderately heavy traffic on the freeway as it is just the other side of 6 o'clock, people headed home from work you know. I pass the parked LEO, and he pulls me over. I honestly don't know how fast I was going, but find 84 a bit hard to believe, given that there was a car in front of me. Also, given the fact that I hit the brakes when my V1 went off. The ticket states that my vehicle is BLUE. Huh?! My Equinox is charcoal grey. I'm fighting this one.


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Good Luck Joe I wish you well. I know some times the Leo can not show up to court and the case get dismissed. This has happened a few times to my friends (and yes I have some friends)

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Re: Chapter I: 84 in a 65 ... I'm fighting this one.

Hope it works out for you, Joe.

Wasn't it Einstein who theorized that color shifted as velocity approached the speed of light? A vehicle that was gray would appear blue at high speeds.

But seriously, there are resources "out there" (web, books, etc.) that purport to help with beating a ticket. I have no experience with them; maybe they help, maybe they don't. Good luck.

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Headed to downtown Cleveland ... driving in moderately heavy traffic on the freeway as it is just the other side of 6 o'clock, people headed home from work you know. I pass the parked LEO, and he pulls me over. I honestly don't know how fast I was going, but find 84 a bit hard to believe, given that there was a car in front of me. Also, given the fact that I hit the brakes when my V1 went off. The ticket states that my vehicle is BLUE. Huh?! My Equinox is charcoal grey. I'm fighting this one.


Chapter II . . .
Got ya you FILTHY SPEEDER!!

Good luck, from my experience on the other side of this Ive found the judges pretty unforgiving to the motorists. Having said that, first look for the officers badge number its on the ticket somewhere, then go to court n see if he shows. If he's absent its pretty much a win for you. Next what the officer is going to testify to when you plead not guilty is the date and time of the violation and his observations. Chances are he/she will remeber the ticket and pretty much stick to the facts, as he is the prosecutions witness and is spoon fed the questions. Now remember you have the right to question the officer, so be prepared. This is not the time to offer up an excuse to the judge, its a time to ask the officer pointed questions about his observations BEFORE he stopped you. As an example, do you remember what vehicles were near you, where was the last speed limit sign, exactly where was he when he timed your speed, and how far away was your car from his. You can ask about the actual radar itself as there are many different types that perform different functions. As an example my department has battery operated radars some have a directional function so the radar will only record speed coming towards the officer or away. In addition they all have "fast" mode which records the fastest speed vs the largerst radar signature. (think about a mc passing a semi, it will give me both the trucks speed and the faster moving vehicle). In my experience you probably wont win if the officer is there and remebers the stop. Stranger things have happened, I testify a couple of times a month on speeding tickets and have yet to lose. Im not gonna get into wheather or not the officer was right or not, I can only say if you didnt know how fast you were going I wouldnt tell the judge because if you didnt know he has no choice but to listen to the guy who says he timed you if you get my drift. Maybe get a traffic lawyer who knows the system, it might be worth the money, but only you can be the judge of that.

Finally, I know I dont take traffic tickets personally, I only ask that you dont so the same. If you think the officer was wrong go to court. I didnt see you bashing the LEO and I hope this thread doesnt turn into a cop bashing one.

Good luck, hope the advice was helpful

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Headed to downtown Cleveland .... I honestly don't know how fast I was going, but find 84 a bit hard to believe, given that there was a car in front of me. . . .
Joe you could always upload your track info from your GPS to your computer and see how fast it said you were really going. Hope you don't show them your max speed on your GPS. Oh and you know those speed limit signs that say 65 mph. I never told you but that doesn't mean that is the slowest speed you can go.

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I didnt see you bashing the LEO and I hope this thread doesnt turn into a cop bashing one.
Me either. I certainly do not intend this to happen. I have been involved in those in the past, and have come to regret my words.

Thanks for the advise. I'll chew on this awhile...
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Now remember you have the right to question the officer, so be prepared.
That is such a load of crap.

Here in Oklahoma you go before the Judge, He asks all the questions.
Lets the officer read from the bottom of the ticket. Then asks you what's your story and then finds you guilty.

If the officer shows, you're screwed.

Ive tried to fight many a ticket over my lifetime and never, never had the opportunity to cross one single officer. It's just not the way it works.
They want your money and the courtroom is just a place where they get to piss on your head and take it.

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Re: Chapter I: 84 in a 65 ... I'm fighting this one.

Since it looks like this could get expensive....

Wear a conservative coat and tie to your appearance - dress for success.

Ask the judge to consider your excellent driving record in the past. Tell him you are an outstanding citizen and always set good driving examples for the 15 year old children in the school district you work for. (the children - think of the children!) Let him know you always wear a helmet and protective gear, and always advise other motorcyclists to do so.

That you are somewhat overwhelmed by the power of your new motorcycle (don't even THINK of mentioning what brand it is or he'll figure you've got plenty of $$) and intend to take an MSF Advanced Rider Course (briefly tell him what that is) and show him proof of your graduation. That since you have excellent rates on both your driving and homeowner's insurance you would hate to see them go up. Apologize for taking up the officer's and court's time but felt you needed to explain...

...and of course that you will ALWAYS obey the posted speed limit....

Just NEVER admit what the officer accused you of - or the judge can just say GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY! (that's the sound of the gavel banging down on your helmet and wallet)

...you might get the fine dramatically reduced and the points lowered. Beg him not to assess any points.

Worth a try. Since he probably hears ALL kinds of lame excuses all day long he may find your tactic refreshing.

I went from 4 points and a $250.00 fine for reckless driving, slow speed pass on a double yellow line (a flat bed truck dropping 6 inch river rock off the back) to no points and no fine. The cop was there and testified to what he saw. The Judge found me GUILTY and made me pay court costs of about $20.00! I NEVER admitted a thing.

The judge used to ride and took pity on me. He told me next time to stop and call 911 since this guy was obviously a hazard to other motorists as well.
No doubt that was a huge reason why he let me off but I think my "show" may have helped convince him.

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That is such a load of crap.

Here in Oklahoma you go before the Judge, He asks all the questions.
Lets the officer read from the bottom of the ticket. Then asks you what's your story and then finds you guilty.

If the officer shows, you're screwed.

Ive tried to fight many a ticket over my lifetime and never, never had the opportunity to cross one single officer. It's just not the way it works.
They want your money and the courtroom is just a place where they get to piss on your head and take it.

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We can cross in Arizona - but like you said - you're just pissin' in the wind. They have an answer for everything you can bring up. Unless the officer admits that he wasn't wearing his reading glasses...


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www.helpigotaticket.com

I used this a a resource to beat a couple of tickets. If you have a trial by declaration use it, much more effective in fighting one.

Now, I know you have a lead hand, I guess you may have a matching foot.

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Headed to downtown Cleveland ... driving in moderately heavy traffic on the freeway as it is just the other side of 6 o'clock, people headed home from work you know. I pass the parked LEO, and he pulls me over. I honestly don't know how fast I was going, but find 84 a bit hard to believe, given that there was a car in front of me. Also, given the fact that I hit the brakes when my V1 went off. The ticket states that my vehicle is BLUE. Huh?! My Equinox is charcoal grey. I'm fighting this one.


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As a character witness, Joe NEVER speeds (if you compare it to a fighter jet)!

Good luck my friend.

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Lawyer up. Usually for $200-300 it will be reduced to a no or very low point non moving violation such as defective tail light or turn signal. You will still have to pay the fine as it is primarily about the revenue but you probably won't have to show up and mess with it. I feel the money saved long term on insurance is usually worth it since tickets tend to come in bunches and the third one is much harder to make go away.
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That is such a load of crap.

Here in Oklahoma you go before the Judge, He asks all the questions.
Lets the officer read from the bottom of the ticket. Then asks you what's your story and then finds you guilty.

If the officer shows, you're screwed.

Ive tried to fight many a ticket over my lifetime and never, never had the opportunity to cross one single officer. It's just not the way it works.
They want your money and the courtroom is just a place where they get to piss on your head and take it.

John
I can only speak for the Cook County system, which is the busiest judicial system in the country. They make the time to hear each and every trial even for parking tickets. Bigger cities (Cleveland included) tend to have courts that are more liberal, which will work in your favor.

Again good luck

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Headed to downtown Cleveland ... driving in moderately heavy traffic on the freeway as it is just the other side of 6 o'clock, people headed home from work you know. I pass the parked LEO, and he pulls me over. I honestly don't know how fast I was going, but find 84 a bit hard to believe, given that there was a car in front of me. Also, given the fact that I hit the brakes when my V1 went off. The ticket states that my vehicle is BLUE. Huh?! My Equinox is charcoal grey. I'm fighting this one.


Chapter II . . .

Joe, I love you as a brother and here is my two cent worth. Please lets not make this into a cop bashing thread. Attempt to attack the system and not the officers.

First, wrong color on tickets is no defense to get a ticket throw. I know, I know, blue, charcoal grey.

Second, what did he clock you with. Laser or radar. Radar is hard to catch speeders but some models have a "faster" mode, mean it will and can pick a smaller weaker signal, ie truck vs. car or motorcycle vs. car. Meaning if you are coming up a slower car the radar will pick the signal from the car, so the officer will hit fastest mode and will pick up the smaller signal, motorcycle.

Third, check the officers records. Radar/laser log. In Florida we must log in the check of the laser/radar before and the end of shift. Check the certificate of the laser/radar. Every six month we must get the equipment certified.

Fourth, make a court day. Some cops do not show up.

Fifth, in my county you can plea no contest and they will check your record, if it is clean, points held, pay the fine. If you have a bad record, he/she will make you go to advance driving school.

Six, slow down and good luck.

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Best of Luck.

Without knowing how hard this ticket will it your insurance and license, don't forget to value your time.

If you can afford the time, be respctful and argue our point. There has been some good suggestions already posted.

For sure, you should be able to plead it down to 15 over. In NC, 15 is the magic number. Under 15 no problem, over 15 it becomes almost a felony. A hired suit (Liar) can plead you down or if you can afford the time, you can plead it down.

Let us know how you make out.

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Since it looks like this could get expensive.... Let him know you always wear a helmet and protective gear, and always advise other motorcyclists to do so.

That you are somewhat overwhelmed by the power of your new motorcycle (don't even THINK of mentioning what brand it is or he'll figure you've got plenty of $$)
Ron, he was driving his Equinox!

Joe, Hope your license can take the hit...be nice...pray the LEO doesn't show...Good Luck!

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Re: Chapter I: 84 in a 65 ... I'm fighting this one.

What time is 6 o'clock? Round these parts people leave for work at 0600 and go home at 1800 (never been to Cleveland). Just a personal observation from me: When I've been on jury duty listening to miscreants tell their tales, the thought is always swirling arond that she may be innocent on this one but most likely guilty on other offences where she wasn't caught. Just a thought mind you.
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Re: Chapter I: 84 in a 65 ... I'm fighting this one.

Please allow me to clarify a few things.
  • I was stopped at 18:15 hours ... the heart of rush hour.
  • I was driving my car, not on my bike.
  • Although I average a ticket about once every 18 months, I'm constantly told that I have "a great record". I guess these things are relative.
  • This ticket is waiverable. Monday, I will call the court and find out what it will cost just to send in the "fine". (or "extortion cost" ... whatever you want to call it.) I may opt to do that if it's not too too ridiculous.
I know for a fact that if I appear in court and plead "Not Guilty", the court administrator will bring me into his office and try to bargain with me. I might also add that, my wife used to serve on a Board with the traffic court judge. She may be able to make a call and ...
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I would use the word "extortion" also.

Have you also noticed that in the construction zones they have been doubling +++ the fines for speeders? Another way to generate revenue!

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I would use the word "extortion" also.

Have you also noticed that in the construction zones they have been doubling +++ the fines for speeders? Another way to generate revenue!
I would check your facts, construction zones fatalities are very high and the higher fines are to slow folks down so construction zone worker are not killed.

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I agree with Motorman on this one, being a construction worker is a very dangerous job
because of the arrogance of todays drivers.
Does law enforcement use those zones for revenue? ofcourse they do it's easy money.

On the other hand regardless of what kind off zone I'm in
I go with the flow of traffic on my motorcycle (even when they're speeding)

because I believe being the only one obeying the law (like going to posted limit)
creates even more of a hazzard

and here in Florida they'd probably run me over and never look back.

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Im guessing either Solon or Orange....they both suck.
Bainbridge! Don't get me started.

I guess I need to buddy up to more of the LEOs there, because I do support some of the software that links the BPD with our schools. I'll remind my friend what happened when I meet him someday.
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Yea, you're probably right. And I don't have the money, nor do I want to spend the time with this one. I'll see what they say on Monday when I call and ask, "How much?".
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I agree with Motorman on this one, being a construction worker is a very dangerous job
because of the arrogance of todays drivers.
Does law enforcement use those zones for revenue? ofcourse they do it's easy money.
What I hate is when they throw up a construction zone and you never see any constructing happening.



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I honestly don't know how fast I was going, but find 84 a bit hard to believe, given that there was a car in front of me. Also, given the fact that I hit the brakes when my V1 went off.
Here's an alternate opinion. Man up and pay the ticket.

You state that "I honestly don't know how fast I was going" so how do you know you weren't doing 84? I wouldn't be surprised if he clocked you at higher than 84, but cut it down some to keep you under 20 over (maybe so you could save a few bucks, or so that you'd be inclined to just pay it). And "I hit the brakes when my V1 went off" shows that you were speeding to some extent, and that the cop probably already had his reading by the time you braked. Also, the vehicle color written down is trivial and has no bearing on the actual infraction.

Now I'm not one for just handing over cash and I believe that revenue generation often takes priority over safety enhancement, but I don't see anything in your statements so far that shows even a shred of innocence. And all future posts are clearly focused on getting out of it with minimal cost and trouble. I'm just sayin' . . .

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Maybe for the average person driving 1000 to 1500 miles per month, you are correct Scott. But what about people that drive over 5000 miles per month? In 18 months, they will have driven/riden 90 thousand miles in that time. Back and forth from the east coast 30 times. I know from personal experience that when I was driving that much, I was getting stopped on average every 18 months for many years. Some were warnings and some were tickets where I could go to drivers school. And because insurance rates could skyrocket for an individual, it is only prudent that one would try to get a ticket reduced, if possible, to a lesser amount, by any means available to them. That's just the American way. You Go Joe.

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Now look what you did! You made me feel bad. I hope you're happy now.
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Bainbridge! Don't get me started.

I guess I need to buddy up to more of the LEOs there, because I do support some of the software that links the BPD with our schools. I'll remind my friend what happened when I meet him someday.

wowzers, isnt that your home turf??? and theyre nickle-ing their own....a shame indeed. Fight the power, Joe!


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Speeding isn't dangerous at all. It's the sudden stop that gets you.

Besides, they've shown over and over that alcohol and even inattentive driving causes more injuries and deaths than pure speeding, except in cases where alcohol and speed are combined. Then again, speeding is simple to identify and prove, and thus is an easy money maker.

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Headed to downtown Cleveland ... driving in moderately heavy traffic on the freeway as it is just the other side of 6 o'clock, people headed home from work you know. I pass the parked LEO, and he pulls me over. I honestly don't know how fast I was going, but find 84 a bit hard to believe, given that there was a car in front of me. Also, given the fact that I hit the brakes when my V1 went off. The ticket states that my vehicle is BLUE. Huh?! My Equinox is charcoal grey. I'm fighting this one.


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This wasn't you was it?

Two California Highway Patrol Officers were conducting speeding enforcement on I-15, North of MCAS Miramar. One of the officers was using a hand held radar device to check speeding vehicles approaching near the crest of a hill.

The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300 miles per hour. The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not reset and turned off.

Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in fact locked onto a USMC F/A-18 Hornet which was engaged in a low flying exercise near the location.

Back at the CHP Headquarters the Patrol Captain fired off a complaint to the USMC Base Commander.

Back came a reply in true USMC style:

Thank you for the message, which allows us to complete the file on this incident. You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked onto your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it. Furthermore, an air to ground missile aboard the fully armed aircraft had also automatically locked onto your equipment. Fortunately the Marine Pilot flying the Hornet recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile system alert status and was able to override the automated defense system before the missile was launched and your hostile radar was destroyed.

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The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300 miles per hour. The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not reset and turned off.
Yeah, sorry about that. Guess I just wan't paying attention.

Actually, I heard the exact same thing happened in the UK . . .

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Joe... hey, you didn't get a ticket when we were riding.. =) just "luck" .....riiiiiight...

Good luck on that one... get a lawyer to tag along..

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Joe... hey, you didn't get a ticket when we were riding.. =) just "luck" .....riiiiiight...
I ride around the country for 20 days ... mildly fracturing speed limits the whole time, and NOTHIN'! I guess I should just pay this one based on all my previous transgressions. We'll see. I'm going to call later to see how much this "performance award" is going to cost just to waive it.

You know . . . Had I been on the bike and really speeding, this pill would be easier to swallow. On second thought ... NAAA!!!
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Maybe entering a copy of this thread into evidence ... where you publically admit not knowing how fast you were going and hitting the brakes when your radar detector went off will help.

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Joe If you were in Louisiana I could call my cousin Boudreaux and it would disappear. I dont think Boudreaux has any "PULL" in Ohio though!

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....the brainwashed civilians who actually think that speeding is dangerous.
You're 110% correct! Speed ALONE is not dangerous in the slightest. BUT, on any road in Amerika, how often is speed the ONLY factor?!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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Am I remembering your ride tale incorrectly, or didn't you say you hit 130 mph in every state you visited last year?

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Your right about driving in Amerika, But since this America we should have the option to be free as long as we do not harm others. I do understand we have our share of bad drivers. I drive/ride prudently for conditions. Which includes having a car/bike that performs well and are kept in perfect working order. I know a lot of bad drivers cause the accidents and I try to take that into consideration every time I am on the road. I just hate the trend to restrict everything down to the weakest link.I believe I am responsible for myself and shouldn't blame everything on others and our government. We should target the weak and bad drivers. PLENTY of revenue there. That way the incetive would be to improve drivers not slow them down. Take a spin on European roads and you'll notice they are better drivers as a whole.

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Two California Highway Patrol Officers were conducting speeding enforcement on I-15, North of MCAS Miramar. One of the officers was using a hand held radar device to check speeding vehicles approaching near the crest of a hill.

The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300 miles per hour. The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not reset and turned off.

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Back at the CHP Headquarters the Patrol Captain fired off a complaint to the USMC Base Commander.

Back came a reply in true USMC style:

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To make our roads more like a German A/B would take both some major reengineering and reeducation.

The roads here are generally engineered very poorly, which is not conducive to speed. Also, drivers here have not clue what a passing lane is. They think it's a place to cruise at 65 mph!

The highway patrol would have to stop writing chicken shit speed tickets and go after the real unsafe drivers.

But I like the idea in concept.

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While I have never broken the speed limit (It makes a real loud bang right?) I have been accused of it more than once.
My routine is to go to the magistrates office and demand a hearing.
They will insist that you pay the ticket or give them X amount of dollars to secure the hearing. Which I promptly refuse to do, so they say that I can't have a hearing without putting the cash down. I tell them to give that to me in writing ...That they are "denying me access to the court because I don't have the money" and sign it. (I think Jesus must have showed up, cause it's a miracle happens) Now I can have a hearing date without the money.
Well while I have broken their little money grubber routine up and restored them to their role as public servants. I ain't never getting a fair hearing there, so I don't even bother going.
Next you get this thing in the mail saying you have been found guilty in absentee or shit, you have x number of days to pay the fine or appeal Really?
So I call the magistrates office and ask them
1. If they have a transcript of the hearing in my absence?
2. Was the filing officer present
3. Will the station pay records verify that the officer was on court duty when my hearing was held without me?
4. What is the cost to have these transcribed and available for my appeal.
(None of which matters, just getting under there skin, but since the making them give me a hearing with no cash thing. They are very wary, that I may know somethings)
Then I jump on the bike blast to the county courthouse, pay my ticket and file the appeal. (At this point you do have to pay the ticket but no action is taken on your licence, no points etc. because it is under appeal)
From that point I have played it several ways;
1. Tell the cop if he don't drop it to a no point limit, every time they call you, your gonna tell the judge your waiting for your lawyer.
2. If I feel really pissed about it, I'll tell the cop we are gonna sit here all day. I'm gonna tell the judge that I'm waiting on documents (that the magistrate offices never provides, without court order). He can drop it; or at the end of the day I'll ask the judge to postpone the hearing for 6 weeks and issue a court order the magistrates office to provide the supporting documents.
I never had one go past this point (I think most times because they never held the hearing they said I was found guilty at in absentee) Great to be self employed and enjoy the workings of our court system.
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