Originally Posted by TimVipond
I disagree. Why would a company that has been in business a long time say they meet the specs if they don't? Should be very easy to prove that they don't.
You are missing the point. It is not up to someone to proove that they don't. It is up to whichever company to proove that they DO conform to set standards. Otherwise we are getting into a religious discussion where something is said to be prooven because you can't proove the non-existance.
Sounds like easy money to an ambulance chaser to me. Sounds like they would be out of business in short order. It is because they meet the specs. Other major oil companies do the same thing. Why should we the consumer have to pay the vehicle manufacturer to have every oil certified in every engine. The oil companies say they already meet the spec, and I've not seen any problems yet. Have you?
It is not important who has seen problems or not. That was not the question, you are missing the point again.
YOU stated : Many oil companies have decided it is not worth paying a large fee to be placed on every single automobile manufacturers approved list for all of their year/make/model cars.
THAT is what this discussion was about. The problem in your post was the word 'fee' and that you implied the car/motorcycle companies would charge big amounts of money to get on an approcved list and that they do nothing in return.
Yes, they charge money, but the fact is that this money is to proove the that whatever the company states really holds true. Without that proove it;s just that: An unprooven statement.
XXXX has proven their quality every day for 35 years. What other company has the volume of technical information, uses ASTM independent laboratory testing and comparison with other products by name, readily available to the public on the internet? They purchase high quality chemicals from XXX, XXX, XXX and others. They are ISO 9001:2000 certified.
Again, you are missing the point. See above. And again you are touting one company's products. I'm telling you now in public: STOP. Try to post without answering to oil specific threads. You've got your own forum. You can tootle all you want in your forum. I am the one getting 50 complaints (literally!) every time you tootle SnakeOil's products and specs, and what not else outside your forum again, and again, and again.
Now lastly: You you *KNOW* what it means to be ISO 9000/9001 certified? Do you REALLY know what that entails? Do you REALLY know what this means to a consumer, other than a neat selling pont? I was one of the spearheads in one companies ISO cert. I *KNOW*. Quite frankly: It means jack shit. VERY SIMPLIFIED The ISO certification means that you know which steps to take when something happens.
And the ISO certification means that you have prooven to the auditor that you have written down these steps and communicated to your employees. AND that those steps are being followed. VERY SIMPLIED and over the board simplistic you get get a certification for:
So there you have it. that is an ISO 9000/9001 cert and the value of it to the customer. An ISO cert has value to the business itself because they know that their employees know what to do when "somethign" happens.