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Retired Green Beret shoots intruder, gets court martial

Retired Green Beret shoots intruder, gets court martial
January 29, 2008 at 9:04 am

BREVARD, Jan. 19, 2008 - Retired Army Green Beret James T. (Smokey) Taylor got his court martial this weekend and came away feeling pretty good about it. Taylor, at age 79, is one of the oldest members of Chapter XXXIII (The Larry Thorne Chapter) of the Special Forces Association.He was placed on trial by fellow Chapter XXXIII members under the charge of “failing to use a weapon of sufficient caliber” in the shooting of an intruder at his home in Knoxville , TN , in November.

The court martial, of course, was very much tongue in cheek. The event itself was deadly serious. Taylor had been awakened in the early morning hours of November 5, 2007,when an intruder broke into his home. He investigated the noises with one of his many weapons in hand. “It was just after Halloween, on Monday morning at 4:30,” Taylor said. I heard this commotion at the door and grabbed my fishing gun, a little .22 revolver, to see what was going on. I got to the front door and this fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame. He said, ‘you’re going to have to kill me. I’m coming in.’”

When a warning to leave went unheeded, Taylor brought his .22 caliber pistol to bear and shot him right between the eyes. “I was about four feet away from him when I shot,” Taylor said. “Looking back now, I’m glad he didn’t die, but that boy had the hardest head I’ve ever seen. The bullet bounced right off.” The impact knocked the would-be thief down momentarily. He crawled out of the house then got up and ran down the street. Taylor dialed 911 and Knoxville police apprehended the wounded man about 200 yards away, hiding in a hedgerow.

Complicating the case, as well as the court martial, the offender was released on bail but failed to appear for his court date. Knoxville police said the man was homeless. They did not know his whereabouts or why he had been given bail. The charges brought against Taylor by his fellow Green Berets were considered to be serious. He is a retired Special Forces Weapons Sergeant with extensive combat experience during the wars in Korea and Vietnam. “Charges were brought against him under the premise that he should have saved the county and taxpayers the expense of a trial,” said Chapter XXXIII President Bill Long of Asheville , NC.

The trial was held at the Hampton Inn in Brevard, part of the group’s regularly scheduled quarterly meeting. Long appointed a judge, Bert Bates, a defense counsel, Jim Hash, and a prosecutor, Charlie Ponds. All are retired Special Forces non-commissioned officers with extensive combat and weapons experience. Ponds outlined the case against Taylor , emphasizing that the citizens of Knox County were going to be burdened with significant costs to again apprehend, and then prosecute and defend the would-be burglar.

“Proper choice of a larger caliber gun would have spared the citizens this financial burden,” Ponds said, “while removing one bad guy from the streets for good. He could have used a .45 or .38. The .22 just wasn’t big enough to get the job done. Hash disagreed. He said Taylor had done the right thing in choosing to arm himself with a 22. “If he’d used a .45 or something like that the round would have gone right through the perp, the wall, the neighbor’s wall and possibly injured some innocent child asleep in its bed. I believe the evidence shows that Smokey Taylor exercised excellent judgment in his choice of weapons. He clearly remains to this day an excellent weapons man.”

Hash then floated a theory as to why the bullet bounced off the perp’s forehead. “He was victimized by old ammunition,” he said, “just as he was in Korea and again in Vietnam , when his units were issued ammo left over from World War II.” Taylor said nothing in his own defense, choosing instead to allow his peers to debate the matter. The jury, consisting of all the members of the Chapter, discussed the merits of choosing a larger caliber weapon as well as the obvious benefits to society of permanently deleting the intruder so he would never again threaten any private citizen. The other side of the coin, that of accidentally causing injury to a completely innocent citizen if a more powerful gun had been used, also gained considerable support.

Following testimony from both sides, Judge Bates determined the charges should be dismissed. The decision was met with a round of applause. In fact, there was strong sentiment expressed that Taylor should receive an award for not only choosing wisely in picking up the 22, but for the accuracy of his aim under difficult and dangerous conditions. After the trial Taylor said the ammunition was indeed old and added the new information that the perp had soiled his pants as he crawled out the door. “I would have had an even worse mess to clean up if it had gone through his forehead,” Taylor said. “It was good for both of us that it didn’t.” Meanwhile, back in Knox County , the word is out: Don’t go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.

Tribune Editor Bill Fishburne is a member of the Larry Thorne Chapter XXXIII of the Special Forces Association. Hat tip Oswald Bastable’s Ranting.

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Thats gonna teach him! Choose the wrong weapon. LOL.
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Good thing this wasn't Illinois. He would be rotting in jail for illegal possesion of a firearm, unlawful use of said fire arm. The perp would probably own his house compliments of the "do gooders"

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Next time use a 38 with hollow points. It has been demostrated he has the proper gun control.

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Guess this goes to prove what I have been told on several occasions: carry the largest caliber weapon you can conceal.

Also - from a firearms expert - he said that in not one instance that he could ever remember did anyone that had been in an actual gunfight say: "boy, I sure wish I had brought a smaller gun."

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Guess this goes to prove what I have been told on several occasions: carry the largest caliber weapon you can conceal.

Also - from a firearms expert - he said that in not one instance that he could ever remember did anyone that had been in an actual gunfight say: "boy, I sure wish I had brought a smaller gun."
Lee I love that quote from the expert!!!!

Permit me to finish that first statement for you: "Carry the largest caliber you can affectively conceal, repeatly fire accurately and hit your target w/ precision."

I was so glad that Colt came out with a Stainless Govt. Model, cause I rusted out a couple of blued ones. You would be amazed where a full frame auto can be hidden on your person if it needs to be.

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Lee I love that quote from the expert!!!!

You would be amazed where a full frame auto can be hidden on your person if it needs to be.
Part of me does not wants to know where you hide one (where it rusts), but my morbid curiosity has gotten the best of me. Please share - no pictures than you.

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Lee just think about duct tape and a guy wishing he'd shaved those areas first and you can get a pretty good idea.

Like Chan said...there is a use for Dockers.

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I can sooo relate !

Had a little Sterling .22 pocket pistol I would carry fishing, hiking & camping.
Kept a clip of CCI Stingers in it for years .... Then on a Salmon fishing trip off shore with a buddy we got into a scool of Blue Sharks while bottom fishing late in the day. We hooked up with this 5 footer and wanted to get him in the boat, but had no gaff.
Well, I state, hold on let me get my pistol out .... Pop pop and both shots you could see the bullet and watched them bounce right off the sharks head.

So we took a filet knife too it's throat instead, and took it aboard.

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Re: Retired Green Beret shoots intruder, gets court martial

Rule #1 in a gunfight. Have a gun

Rule #2 in a gunfight. Have a gun of sufficient caliber. Usually any caliber starting with a 4, such as a .40. 44. 45 454 although a lot of ones starting with a 3 will usually work too. ,357 magnum, 357 SIG, 38 Super, 38+P+. Those starting with a 2 such as a 22 are sometimes refered to as a mouse gun. Keep in mind Rule #1.

When I investigate noises in the night, its usually with a flashlight in one hand and a Remington 870 in the other. I'll figure out a way to clean up any mess I might make.

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Gunny,

I would have thought your flashlight was already mounted to your shotgun.



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Airborne for the great shot!

1) the perp is lucky Smokey didn't put a boot up his azz and continue the fight in a manor customary to the many years of training and combat.

2) larger caliber I do agree, but Smokey had the fore thought to look beyond the shot

3) since it was "o" dark thirty Smokey's boot knife was with the rest of his tactical gear and out of reach, so he "could'nt bleed the bitch"

I'm all for protecting what is mine and my family. I think Smokey deserves another shot !!!!!
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Just point and shoot...
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LOL! You got to love old guys! It takes YEARS to hone a sense of humor to the level they have theirs - I'm not man enough to stand shoulder to shoulder with them!

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