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post #1 of 5 Old Aug 30th, 2007, 8:12 am Thread Starter
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Exclamation Frames the Immigration Argument Differently

I thought to post this in "CHIT CHAT" since there is no "SICK TO MY STOMACH" Category.


This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or
From a California school teacher - - -

As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a
large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1
school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and
income levels.
Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell
Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting,
are also Title 1 schools.
Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When
I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a
full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a
Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and
trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.

I estimate, that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The
school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant
girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the
inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family
watch their kids.

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding
for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything;
my budget was already substantial.. I ended up buying new computers for
the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been
carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel
humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers
whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the
country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female
teachers, calling them "Putas" (whores) and throwing things that the
teachers were in tears.
Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc, etc. Is it
any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to
demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants
contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in
the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.
Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs,
more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding,
new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because
we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind
really think they will voluntarily leave and return?
There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute
to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should
encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and
legal way.
It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world
culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting
pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to
assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried
about "politically correctness "that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
Consumers don't want expensive produce.
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth,
a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He
takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00 hour. At that wage, with six dependents,
he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an
Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills .
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI.
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at
(our) taxpayer's expense.
He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after
paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people. THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE

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I think it's an urban legend, but the message is dead on...

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Government does everything very poorly. Did we think socialized schools would somehow be better?

Government schools need to disappear. Vouchers for low-income, but people should generally educate their own kids. A competitive market for education would lower costs dramatically, and give parents a choice in what kind of education their kids should get, rather than a 1 size fits all government program.

All these complaints about immigration center around abuses of the social welfare system. The problem isn't immigration, it's welfare (with a dose of protectionism and pinch of racism).

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A former "politician" made a fortune using "unskilled" labor in his oilfield support/construction business. He would hire one who spoke English to take direction from the American "front man" boss.

They applied for and received "unemployment" payments while the English speaking guy collected all their pay and split it among them... for a "nominal" fee.

For a "nominal" fee, they would arrange to send funds back to Mexico... occasionally ...

Yeah.. "cheap labor"... more like Slave Labor.

Didn't we have an issue with Slave Labor in the South making for unfair competition with the industrialized north?

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There are a lot of people with their head buried in the sand that would totally disagree with you. I think your right on. My fantasy is to see a political candidate that is worthy.

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