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Question Anti virus software recommendations

A question for the computer guys.
I'm tired of Norton slowing and crashing my computer from time to time. What is a good replacement product for a a Windows XP machine?

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Hi John, I use AVG which is free, stable and automatically updated on a daily basis - http://free.grisoft.com/.

To totally remove Norton, you will have to start your machine in safe mode, otherwise certain components carry on lurking around your software, if you need any help on doing this, just ask.

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What Norton products are causing you problems?

I have been using Norton products for decades, only had problems with them about 5 years ago, one version was troublesome. Once I updated that version, no problems since.

I now am running Norton Internet Security, Ghost (for backups), and Norton SystemWorks Pro. No slowdowns or crashes.

Are you sure it is Norton causing your problems?

The only application that crashes me occasionally is Acroread, the Adobe Acrobat reader. Sometimes if I open an attached .pdf and scroll down while the document is still loading, it will freeze up and I have to re-boot to get out of it. Now looking for a better .pdf reader.

I am having a lot of problems the past couple weeks with slow internet, but it seems to be my little local cable company's problem. I can disable Norton from starting on boot and the problem still exists. I am in the boonies, and fast internet is just something to dream about.

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Norton anti virus 2007. Went to update last night and the program crashed my computer several times. I admit this was rare but I notice norton does slow down my system a bit. I am pretty sure norton is the cause. I have a pretty good processor and tons of Ram. I too have used Norton for years but I'm willing to try another product to compare. Thanks for the feedback.

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What Norton products are causing you problems?

I have been using Norton products for decades, only had problems with them about 5 years ago, one version was troublesome. Once I updated that version, no problems since.

I now am running Norton Internet Security, Ghost (for backups), and Norton SystemWorks Pro. No slowdowns or crashes.

Are you sure it is Norton causing your problems?

The only application that crashes me occasionally is Acroread, the Adobe Acrobat reader. Sometimes if I open an attached .pdf and scroll down while the document is still loading, it will freeze up and I have to re-boot to get out of it. Now looking for a better .pdf reader.

I am having a lot of problems the past couple weeks with slow internet, but it seems to be my little local cable company's problem. I can disable Norton from starting on boot and the problem still exists. I am in the boonies, and fast internet is just something to dream about.

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I did use the Norton removal tool last night. Is that not enough? When in safe mode should I run the removal tool again?


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Hi John, I use AVG which is free, stable and automatically updated on a daily basis - http://free.grisoft.com/.

To totally remove Norton, you will have to start your machine in safe mode, otherwise certain components carry on lurking around your software, if you need any help on doing this, just ask.

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Hey John, I kept getting an error message with Norton when opening Word and Excell. I also noted slow down times, especially on opening of applications and reboots were like the second Ice Age even with a clean Start Menu. I googled the error message, came up with the fix(es) and tons of bad stuff about Norton. I tried the fixes and they didn't work, so I removed Norton. I'm now using Avast and like it.

I'd also like to know how to finish removing Norton in the safe mode, Woolster.



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This months Consumer Reports rated P-Cillin (spelling?) as the best.
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I read about Kaspersky Anti-Virus 6. Anyone used this product? PCWorld magizine rated it the best. Some magizines have unfair rating practices depending on how they are funded.

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That's the good part about Consumer Reports. They don't accept advertising so their reports should be unbiased.
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Norton anti virus 2007. Went to update last night and the program crashed my computer several times.
John - same thing happened to me in May 2007, I have been running Norton since 2005 with no problems, then installed yearly update & bang!

Turns out there is a conflict in the latest release with Norton GoBack and IBM ThinkPads. (Of course, this is stated NOWHERE in Symantec's documentation...)

Anyway - perhaps GoBack is your problem, even if you do not have a ThinkPad.

It can be uninstalled by hitting spacebar and following instructions after rebooting after it blows up. (I actually had to run it numerous times - would get to a point & freeze, but ultimately it completely uninstalled).

Once uninstalled, my PC runs much faster than the previous 2 years when GoBack was installed.

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I'm guessing Go-back is part of Norton? I think go-back is on my step sons machine and we are having slow issues with his machine too.

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John - same thing happened to me in May 2007, I have been running Norton since 2005 with no problems, then installed yearly update & bang!

Turns out there is a conflict in the latest release with Norton GoBack and IBM ThinkPads. (Of course, this is stated NOWHERE in Symantec's documentation...)

Anyway - perhaps GoBack is your problem, even if you do not have a ThinkPad.

It can be uninstalled by hitting spacebar and following instructions after rebooting after it blows up. (I actually had to run it numerous times - would get to a point & freeze, but ultimately it completely uninstalled).

Once uninstalled, my PC runs much faster than the previous 2 years when GoBack was installed.

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I'm guessing Go-back is part of Norton?
Yes. On your pc, if you reboot after system crash, you should get option to hit spacebar. Then you will see the option to uninstall Norton GoBack. You'll get those "are you sure..." warnings, too, - just say yes. If the machine freezes during this process, HARD reboot (turn pc off) and repeat. I had to repeat this cycle 10 - 15 times, maybe more, before it was finally removed. btw -I was on phone w/ Norton Technical Support for about 1 hour.

For your stepson's, you should be able to uninstall thru conventional means.

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I'm tired of Norton slowing and crashing my computer from time to time. What is a good replacement product for a a Windows XP machine?
Any of the Apple PC's.

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That's a nice OS. Box conversion from MS isn't trivial to the plug-n-play crowd. I like the Apple approach to seamless integration, and of couse, Linux. We are just talking about toy computers, anyway.
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free software option for cleaning...

CCleaner: http://www.download.com/3000-2144_4-....html?tag=dl.1

click on the video link, read the review. No Adware or spyware.

Will fix registry problems, can erase all of your internet browsing history, and has a really NICE uninstall function that will remove even the most pesky clingy software (like norton and real player) software that leaves behind remnants when you use "add/remove software" or it's own uninstall function to delete.

Oh, and it's free.

I've used it for a couple months, and love it.

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I'm a software developer. And have used Computer Associates for the last 10 years. They have a software package that includes not only Antivirus but also anti spam, Firewall, Anti Spyware, Desktop protector(Prevents programs from taking control of you system). Excellent product and receives updates automatically when they become available. Also allows for scheduled full systems scans when you are not working (you set the time).
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click on the video link, read the review. No Adware or spyware.



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A question for the computer guys.
I'm tired of Norton slowing and crashing my computer from time to time. What is a good replacement product for a a Windows XP machine?

John, the best on the market I have found is, Microsofts Windows Live OneCare.

It is a suite that covers;
Antivirus
Antispyware
Anti-Phishing
Managed Firewall
Data Backup and Restore
Performance Tune-ups
The suite sells for $50 and has 3 licenses, but is often sold for less, I would guess to get out in the market since it's a new product. It works with XP SP2 and Vista.

The software does not slow down your computer and hog proccesses like so many other antivirus programs, and does not slow down your boot time. I suppose since Microsoft knows their own OS, they were able to design a software package that works flawlessly with it.

I've been in the computer business for 15 years and am the president of a computer company and I'll put my reputation on the line for this product.

Good Luck. ~darren
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thanks for the heads up. I will certainly chekc it out tonight when I get home.


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John, the best on the market I have found is, Microsofts Windows Live OneCare.

It is a suite that covers;
Antivirus
Antispyware
Anti-Phishing
Managed Firewall
Data Backup and Restore
Performance Tune-ups
The suite sells for $50 and has 3 licenses, but is often sold for less, I would guess to get out in the market since it's a new product. It works with XP SP2 and Vista.

The software does not slow down your computer and hog proccesses like so many other antivirus programs, and does not slow down your boot time. I suppose since Microsoft knows their own OS, they were able to design a software package that works flawlessly with it.

I've been in the computer business for 15 years and am the president of a computer company and I'll put my reputation on the line for this product.

Good Luck. ~darren

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Free to remove 20 erroneous registry entries - 30 bucks after that ??

is that what you got? I fixed HUNDREDS. Let me know.

I have the previous version, it's 2.59MB, if your email will handle it I am happy to send it to you

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I'm a software developer. And have used Computer Associates for the last 10 years. They have a software package that includes not only Antivirus but also anti spam, Firewall, Anti Spyware, Desktop protector(Prevents programs from taking control of you system). Excellent product and receives updates automatically when they become available. Also allows for scheduled full systems scans when you are not working (you set the time).

amen to that, tigerdirect.com has it right now, comes on a credit-card sized 2gb "thumb drive" and can be installed on either three or five machines, and is free after rebate

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I'm running Kaspersky 5x. Came with my System Mechanic Pro 6. Not too much of a system hog. Ran Norton for years, several years ago their software got really buggy & slowed my system to a crawl, so I bailed & got Trend Micro's PC-Cillin. Liked it OK, but they wanted me to upgrade to the newest version the next year & it got crappy reviews, so I switched to AVG. I've heard good things about NOD32.

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is that what you got? I fixed HUNDREDS. Let me know.

I have the previous version, it's 2.59MB, if your email will handle it I am happy to send it to you

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. . . so I switched to AVG. . . . .
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John, the best on the market I have found is, Microsofts Windows Live OneCare.

It is a suite that covers;
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The suite sells for $50 and has 3 licenses, but is often sold for less, I would guess to get out in the market since it's a new product. It works with XP SP2 and Vista.

The software does not slow down your computer and hog proccesses like so many other antivirus programs, and does not slow down your boot time. I suppose since Microsoft knows their own OS, they were able to design a software package that works flawlessly with it.

I've been in the computer business for 15 years and am the president of a computer company and I'll put my reputation on the line for this product.

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I'm sure it's a good product, but, I dunno, seems kinda unholy to me that the same folks that gave you a swiss cheese OS also gives you the tools to plug the holes.


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They didn't "give" either!

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I'm sure it's a good product, but, I dunno, seems kinda unholy to me that the same folks that gave you a swiss cheese OS also gives you the tools to plug the holes.
Yeah, that's what happens when when people want an OS to run everything including the kitchen blender. As unholy as it may be, at least it actually works without slowing down new systems. Last week Best Buy was selling them for $10 for 3 licenses. I bought several copies if anyone needs one.


Macintosh users have historically touted more robust security on Apple's machines. Then again Apple only retains less than 5 percent of the overall computer market, making it a much smaller target for hackers than Microsoft's Windows systems. Regardless of what most Mac users think, there are viruses out there written for Mac's so I hate it when people use that arguement regarding viruses. The Mac community is small enough that thankfully there aren't as many low life scum buckets out there wasting oxygen and writing viruses for them, but they do exist.

I still remember the days I was eating ramen in college, trying to get by, and owning my propriatary Mac system. For me to buy a regular HP inkjet printer for my Mac it was around $800, the same printer for a Windows PC was about $350. And don't even get me started on software, or the lack there of. Thankfully they've learned from some of their mistakes over the years and have been bailed out of bankrupcy and given an opportunity to compete. I like the new Bootcamp systems, it doesn't force people into different camps and allows people to experience the best of both worlds, PC's diversity and lower prices versus the propriatary and specialization of the Unix based Mac.

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I am using Avast!. It is free for home use, does not load the system, gets almost daily updates and has caught thinks that McAfee did not. You just have to register it.

For those of you stuck on Windows 95, Avast supports it as well.

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AMEN!

I am far from a Microsoft fan, just forced into it over the years by software availability and company standards. I may not be using my CAD software much any longer, so my next computer upgrade may actually be a MAC. That could be years away though, since I have a fairly recent upgraded system with a lot of power and ram.

My internet speed has dropped to a crawl for some reason, waiting on the tech for the local cable company (A small independent system) to bring a laptop over and see if he gets the same thing. I think it is a problem with their system. If not, I will totally uninstall all Norton apps and try again. I uninstalled the Norton Internet Security application yesterday, no affect, so re-installed it. My slow down happened around the time my NIS was upgraded from 2006 to 2007, but at the same time the cable company was making changes in their head end. I hate it when two things change at once, and problems arise!

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I switched over to Kubuntu months ago and couldn't be happier. It has everything I need and does everything I need - with the exception of the Garmin mapping software. I'm going to try running that under VMWare or Wine, though.

I have NOD32 running on my laptop and had it on my desktop until I loaded Kubuntu. I really like NOD32. Very small footprint, checks email for viruses,and scans all the drives in the background. I have it check for updates daily. So far no problems running any other software at the same time and no system slow down. I installed it on a couple of clients PCs and they are happy with it.

My ISP is running McAfee virus & SPAM on their server and it catches pretty much all of it. I get an email about once a month telling me to go verify the emails it stopped. We're running the same software on or Unified Messaging product here at work and it does catch a ton of stuff - depending on how you have it configured.

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Yeah but do they come in wireless type???



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Does this procedure include the conductive grease that Joe recommends on all connections??

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That would be "dielectric" grease, which is totally NONconductive.

There are conductive greases on the market, for VERY specialized applications, but you certainly would not want to use them on connectors!

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There are conductive greases on the market, for VERY specialized applications, but you certainly would not want to use them on connectors!


ya' never know, David, maybe that's a version of that "Prolong" stuff...

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That would be "dielectric" grease, which is totally NONconductive.

There are conductive greases on the market, for VERY specialized applications, but you certainly would not want to use them on connectors!
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"Dielectric Grease, (Chemplex 710)

Da bomb, as they say, and a British car owners best friend! Taking all the bullet connects apart, cleaning and using a dab of dielectric grease on the connections will instantly eliminate 99% of all electrical problems on most vintage cars! Use on battery terminals to prevent corrosion and unwanted grounding as well on all wire connections throughout.

Don't confuse this product with the sub-par products sold to consumers at retail outlets. This Chemplex 710 Dielectric Grease is a superior, industrial quality, military grade, dielectric grease manufactured by Fuchs Lubricants in the USA.

Large 5.3 oz. tube (150g) will last ages. "

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To totally remove Norton, you will have to start your machine in safe mode, otherwise certain components carry on lurking around your software, if you need any help on doing this, just ask.
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