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Second Ammendment Testimony

I got this in an e-mail from a friend this morning. Testimony on gun control and the Second Ammendment.

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"Amen" is all I can say to that.

It's been said that the Second Amendment is the amendment upon which all the others stand. Remove it, and the others can go away.

I'm a Life Member of the NRA and would encourage all U.S. citizens to join me in support of that organization -- not because you have to be on board with everything they do or say, but because they are our last, best hope for preserving liberty. We'll get flamed for saying that but I believe it.

I'm not expecting the police or the Army to knock on my door any time soon, but then the colonials weren't expecting tyranny, either.

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That's probably one of the best interpretations of the need/use of the Second Amendment.



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Hit the nial on the head

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I got this in an e-mail from a friend this morning. Testimony on gun control and the Second Ammendment.

http://s1.upload.sc/preview/7928258e...f3a9463efdceeb

Wait until you here the last comments in her testimony.

Let the fire storm begin.
She hit the nail on the head with the last comment.

Politics was never intended to be a life long career it was meant to ba a civic duty. When you finished your duty you went back to your career/farm/business when you were finished. We need to get back to that, but were to far gone.
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That does make one stop and think, now doesn't it?
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Guns are so last century. You want to stage a revolution, make friends with the programmers that write the software that moves money through wires. We have the real power. With less than 100 people who have the proper knowledge, this entire country could be brought to a halt. So you guys can hang on to your guns, my toys will command a lot more respect.
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Powerfull speaking,
her father was certainly a "hero" in every sense of the word.
If just one person in that room had a gun and knew how to use it,
they could have stopped the shooter.
She certainly has the right to be angry at the legislators
for denying her the constitutional right to defend herself.
And she's crystal clear on the purpose of the second amendment.

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Let the fire storm begin.
OK. What if no one in that room had a gun, including the madman? Then her parents would still be alive.

And before everyone freaks out about that, let me remind you it's just as valid a scenario as everyone packing all the time, and just as unlikely.

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OK. What if no one in that room had a gun, including the madman? Then her parents would still be alive.
That argument is flawed, and you know it Mr. Meese. "Madmen", criminals, and your government will always find a way to have guns. Big guns. And one day, one of them might be pointed at you.

Of course, this comes from a guy thats only gun is a .22 cal pea shooter.
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sorry Ken.

The mad man was intent on taking out as many as he could. He may have resorted to an knife, axe, etc. you get the gist. He would have resorted to any other means available.



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Meese, while in and of itself your statement is true, it's implication that outlawing weapons would make society safer is flawed, as the number of illegal shootings involving registered gun owners is very low. In fact, in 2005, states with Right To Carry laws, compared to the rest of the country, had lower violent crime rates on average.

I believe the speaker in the video is Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp. The attack happened October 16, 1991, in Killeen, TX. It came to be known as Luby's Massacre.
If you go to Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard
you can read about it.
The irony here is this woman was a registered gun owner, but left her weapon in her car per state law and was thus unarmed when her parents where killed.

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The mad man was intent on taking out as many as he could. He may have resorted to an knife, axe, etc. you get the gist. He would have resorted to any other means available.
Agreed. But he would have been easier to stop if he had an axe or a knife, maybe even by that lady's father. Those are hand-to-hand weapons, whereas a gun gives you distance and accuracy.

In fact, that's what makes both arguments work. Guns are reviled by some because they are such efficient killing machines. So in the wrong hands they can wreak lots of havoc very quickly. And they are applauded by others because they are such efficient defensive tools. One guy with a gun can hold off a whole mob and protect his property or family.

The idealist in me would rather live in a world where we don't need guns to protect or to kill, but that's just not reality. But I also don't believe that arming every citizen is the answer either. And so the debate will rage on, longer than any of us will be around to see it.

My biggest concern is that the exact same arguments are being played out on a world stage, as smaller countries and terrorist groups strive to buy or build nuclear weapons, so they can "protect themselves" from those countries who have them already. Same basic argument, but with much larger and much more deadly consequences.

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Meese, while in and of itself your statement is true, it's implication that outlawing weapons would make society safer is flawed, as the number of illegal shootings involving registered gun owners is very low.
I never said I wanted to make guns illegal. I'd rather that they just didn't exist at all. But then again I'd rather that people didn't feel the need to kill one another either, regardless of the means or weapon used. But I also know that's idealistic and unrealistic, as it's just human nature to strike out at others on occasion. And those folks will always find a more powerful weapon, be it guns, driving their car into a crowded building, or building a bigger army with bombs, planes, and tanks. That hasn't changed in thousands of years, and so we're stuck in the mess the same as everyone else.

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This is not a Second Amendment issue. It's a State law issue.

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Guns are reviled by some because they are such efficient killing machines.
Guns are harmless, man is the efficient killing machine!



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Of course, this comes from a guy thats only gun is a .22 cal pea shooter.
I love the .22 round. You can plink with it all day cheaply, it doesn't make you sore and it's the favored round of assassin's. I really love my Kimber, I think my .44 mag Colt Anaconda is kewl.... I could go on.

I truly believe that the gun is the only thang that really keeps our government in line. Does anyone believe that Hitler would have gotten where he was if he hadn't mandated the confiscation of guns in Germany? I really fear the pol's that try to take our guns from us. What is their agenda?



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...I really fear the pol's that try to take our guns from us. What is their agenda?
Their stated agenda is to make us safe... from ourselves. Their real agenda (IMO) is to make us unable to stand up to a central government's tyranny. (reading that back to myself, it sounds paranoid; oh well...)

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Guns are harmless, man is the efficient killing machine!
True, a gun never loaded itself and went after anybody. Guns are just a tool, but it does allow some madman to do a lot more damage in a shorter amount of time than he could do with a knife or another such instrument. The corrolary of course is that a trained LEO or soldier can use this tool to do his job much more efficiently.

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I truly believe that the gun is the only thang that really keeps our government in line.
I think that argument certainly has some merit. And I agree that taking the guns away from one group while allowing another group to keep them definitely shifts the balance. Again, the guns aren't at fault, but when one group has a significant and powerful advantage over another, sooner or later things take an ugly turn.

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Guns are just a tool, but it does allow some madman to do a lot more damage in a shorter amount of time than he could do with a knife or another such instrument.
Give the madman a gun and he kills for a day, give the madman an A Bomb and he kills forever.



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