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Rider mag says FJR over GT

new edition has the boys over at Rider choosing The FJR over the GT. Didn't realize the feejer was 5K less. hmmm.
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Yes, te FJR is at least $5K less. But I knew that when I bought the GT over the FJR. And with no cruise control OR ESA, (and the lame low rider's pegs), I wouldn't be caught dead on the FJR. In January, I will be taking a serious look at the Concours14. But if Kaw doesn't put OEM cruise control on that bad boy, they can keep it as well. I know there are aftermarket cc kits, but I am so not interested in that crap.

For the record, rider magazine didn't like the brakes and the throttle response on the GT. HELLO! They tested an '06 GT and published an article in their Jan '07 edition when the '07 GTs have been out for almost 5 months now! And the things they didn't like about the GT have been changed and/or improved. That article was simply ridiculous, IMO. In fact, there were several ill-informed "facts" stated regarding the GT. But I won't bore you with that list.

Last but not least...I don't know what kind of sissies they got testing sport-tourers down at rider, but some of their comments had me on the floor rolling. After reading the article, I had the feeling that both bikes were simply too much for the girls testing them.
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I have to concur with Joe on this one and add, "Good grief!!!!!! What are those boy's thinking?"



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new edition has the boys over at Rider choosing The FJR over the GT. Didn't realize the feejer was 5K less. hmmm.
It can also mean $5K less when the time to sell comes as it does for most eventually. I recognize the cash flow dent a higher priced item can have at purchase, but rarely is the other side of the transaction considered.

The other day I bought a $$$bike, trading a Honda and a $$$BMW. Glad I had the $$$BMW to put against the price of the $$$bike.

One other crucial item understandably left out of reviews... the emotional connection. If it isn't there, think twice... especially for a discretionary purchase.
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I agree with Joe
How can you have a super duper touring bike without cruise?
I don't get it and I probably would not get it

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How can you have a super duper touring bike without cruise?
I don't get it and I probably would not get it
My first thought when everyone started salivating. Of course, it could be a marketing thang, buy the first year without cruise, the second year model has more toy's and escalates as it ages.



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new edition has the boys over at Rider choosing The FJR over the GT. Didn't realize the feejer was 5K less. hmmm.
Finally, some unbiased, level headed, sensible reporting. Good for the experts down there at Rider.

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Finally, some unbiased, level headed, sensible reporting. Good for the experts down there at Rider.
Spoken like a true FJR rider. Hey! What's that sound? Oh nothing. Just Dave's wife PASSING him . . . AGAIN!
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Spoken like a true FJR rider. Hey! What's that sound? Oh nothing. Just Dave's wife PASSING him . . . AGAIN!

That's OK, the view ain't so bad...

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It can also mean $5K less when the time to sell comes as it does for most eventually. I recognize the cash flow dent a higher priced item can have at purchase, but rarely is the other side of the transaction considered.
Excellent point! The first BMW that I bought was the hardest to swing. The trades since then have been relatively easy because I always get a good (and fair) return.
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You know...now that I think about it, I could always sell my GT in the Spring and buy TWO barely-used FJRs. Then again, no! The only bike I'd buy from Yamaha at the moment is the R1. Yummy!!!
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*How could you call either a Touring bike without musical media/Radio with external speakers !
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*How could you call either a Touring bike without musical media/Radio with external speakers !
First of all . . . NOT "Touring", "SPORT-Touring".

And second of all . . . "external speakers"?! Over 12K on my GT, and I haven't once missed not having speakers on it. I still hear my GPS, cell phone, GMRS, and iPod just fine. The way I always did, even on the LT. IN my helmet!
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and third, the FJR is SuperSport Touring.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr...80/0/home.aspx

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I prefer my music that way... from the external speakers,
Just like I had it on my Touring Hardly-Dangerous MC's...

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Cool FJR over GT

just a paid advertisement for yamaha. if BMW had come up with more money it would have went the there way. i take all that stuff with a grain of salt.
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comparison of FJR, GT and ST1300

Motorcyclist magazine did a comparison of the three and had some pretty scathing things to say about the FJR because of the "electronic" clutch.

Their article placed the ST first, the GT second and the FJR dead last.

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You need to remember that this is the same mag that picked the Gold Wing over the KLT. Which bike do you have? Did you make the wrong decision? I didn't.

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Last but not least...I don't know what kind of sissies they got testing sport-tourers down at rider, but some of their comments had me on the floor rolling. After reading the article, I had the feeling that both bikes were simply too much for the girls testing them.
Yeah, that Clement Salvadori guy sure doesn't know beans about riding motorcycles (considering he's probably ridden more different models in his lifetime than the combined membership of this group). Who's he to have a personal opinion?

Add to that, why doesn't he spend the total endowment of his writing skills trying to convince himself and everyone in the English speaking world that his current motorcycle is the bestest, most spectacularific thing on wheels? It doesn't seem very manly to me.

Sheesh! He didn't even report on how well the FJR or GT can wheelie or stoppie. And I, for one, am constantly disappointed to see not a single smokin' burn-out pic every time I open the cover of Rider magazine.

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Yeah, that Clement Salvadori guy sure doesn't know beans about riding motorcycles (considering he's probably ridden more different models in his lifetime than the combined membership of this group). Who's he to have a personal opinion?

Add to that, why doesn't he spend the total endowment of his writing skills trying to convince himself and everyone in the English speaking world that his current motorcycle is the bestest, most spectacularific thing on wheels? It doesn't seem very manly to me.

Sheesh! He didn't even report on how well the FJR or GT can wheelie or stoppie. And I, for one, am constantly disappointed to see not a single smokin' burn-out pic every time I open the cover of Rider magazine.
Clement is the number one reason why I subscribe to rider magazine. I have been following him as an avid fan for years, long before he wrote for rider. And his monthly article 'Road Tales' is the very first thing I read when the new rider arrives in the mail.

But anyone who has read Clement's writings for any amount of time knows that Clement is not a very technical rider. Nor does he know very much about the mechanics of a bike, or nuances like suspension setups, and etc.. rider should leave Clement to writing about him forgetting to get the keys out of his pocket before getting all geared up, and let the bike reviewing to someone a little more skilled. Someone a little more like . . . me!

I'll be on the west coast next April/May. If you want to teach me a thing or two about riding...by all means, please do so. You might want to borrow an FJR while you're at it. I'll try to keep up.
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rider should leave Clement to writing about him forgetting to get the keys out of his pocket before getting all geared up, and let the bike reviewing to someone a little more skilled. Someone a little more like . . . me!
Heh heh, like the rest of us, you'd rather have his job than your own. Rider is not my #1 choice for bike reviews in general, too much "equal time" given to cruisers. Among the mainstream periodicals, I prefer primarily Motorcycle.com and Motorcyclist for reviews. ( The former sates my eyes for those smokin' burn-outs. )

I can appreciate Rider's angle, however staid, that motorcycling is a leisure activity and not some lifestyle pronouncement or pop-culture phenomenon.

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I'll be on the west coast next April/May. If you want to teach me a thing or two about riding...by all means, please do so. You might want to borrow an FJR while you're at it. I'll try to keep up.
I've got nothing to prove. To you or any other hotdog on a stick . If I want to compete, I'll take up triathlon, golf or trap shooting. Been riding my own ride since my first Huffy.

Depending on booking, I might be in Europe touring the Alps on a GS at that time. But keep us left coasters updated on your itinerary ( like we'll even have a choice ).

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But keep us left coasters updated on your itinerary ( like we'll even have a choice ).
And who is it that holds the gun to your head and makes you read these threads? Or, are you hearing 'the voices' again?
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And who is it that holds the gun to your head and makes you read these threads?
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And who is it that holds the gun to your head and makes you read these threads? Or, are you hearing 'the voices' again?

Same principal as rubbernecking at accidents.

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Anybody done with their copy of Rider? or would be willing to pass it on later?

I didn't renew my subscription in time so I missed this issue....
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I'll be on the west coast next April/May. If you want to teach me a thing or two about riding...by all means, please do so. You might want to borrow an FJR while you're at it. I'll try to keep up.

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I've got nothing to prove. To you or any other hotdog on a stick . If I want to compete, I'll take up triathlon, golf or trap shooting. Been riding my own ride since my first Huffy.
There we go again boys... Whose pee-pee is bigger???

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I didn't renew my subscription in time so I missed this issue....
PM me your address. I'm almost done with this one.
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and third, the FJR is SuperSport Touring.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr...80/0/home.aspx
Now I am really confused as to exactly which market niche I fit into:

Sport Touring. (das Bimmer)
Super Sport Touring. (Yammy)
Transcontinental Supersport. (Kawie)

Think I'll buy a Ural for $7K (Super slow sport touring) and invest the rest in an ocean front lot in Honduras and Cuban ceegars with lessons on how to smoke 'em.


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It can also mean $5K less when the time to sell comes as it does for most eventually. I recognize the cash flow dent a higher priced item can have at purchase, but rarely is the other side of the transaction considered.

The other day I bought a $$$bike, trading a Honda and a $$$BMW. Glad I had the $$$BMW to put against the price of the $$$bike.

One other crucial item understandably left out of reviews... the emotional connection. If it isn't there, think twice... especially for a discretionary purchase.
the other side of this is buying a expensive BMW and putting serious miles on it, do you know a high mileage goldwing will bring more money than a high mileage LT?



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Now I am really confused as to exactly which market niche I fit into:

Sport Touring. (das Bimmer)
Super Sport Touring. (Yammy)
Transcontinental Supersport. (Kawie)

Think I'll buy a Ural for $7K (Super slow sport touring) and invest the rest in an ocean front lot in Honduras and Cuban ceegars with lessons on how to smoke 'em.
Here is a friend's in Nova Scotia this was just a couple days ago




so if you buy the side hack with the two wheel drive, No bad weather will stop you!
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Rider mag has never been pro-BMW and I suspect they follow their marketing dollars. Years ago they had a pic of an '02 K1200 RS on the cover, same color as mine, so I bought the mag, only to discover there was only one mention in the entire thing about BMWs and it was to say that the Wing was superior to the LT mostly because the trunk on the LT leaked during their test ride. Interesting that they would use a picture of a BMW to sell their mag and then bash the brand... I let them know that I boycott them now.

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I"ve been confused about the market niche I fit in like, forever...

I own an 02 LT, an 06 K12S and an 01 yamaha FZ1....

And all I can think of is how bad I want an old honda 125!!!

doh! maybe thats why they call it motorcycling.

And I have to agree about those cuban ceegars, I need some more of those

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And who is it that holds the gun to your head and makes you read these threads? Or, are you hearing 'the voices' again?
I suppose one could say there is a shotgun pattern to your "contributions" on these forums.

However, I would liken reading these forums to traversing the backyard of some shiftless small dog owner. It's almost impossible accomplish without stepping in something. This site, as well as its previous incarnation, is so peppered with little Joe turds that the avoidance factor is slim to none.

"Just add him to your Ignore List!" might be the call of many of the community members. But I'm strongly opposed to censorship in any form unless there is malicious intent. And, I take yours and others' word for it that you're not mean. Just Joe, THINE Village Idiot.

Besides, just like the proverbial million monkeys pecking at typewriters, a few shiny nuggets do emerge from the slag now and then, as well as such newspeak, dumbed-down, retarded terminology like 'push steering' .

Every court needs its fool. Keep 'em coming.

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post #38 of 39 Old Dec 7th, 2006, 11:37 am
 
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I suppose one could say there is a shotgun pattern to your "contributions" on these forums.

However, I would liken reading these forums to traversing the backyard of some shiftless small dog owner. It's almost impossible accomplish without stepping in something. This site, as well as its previous incarnation, is so peppered with little Joe turds that the avoidance factor is slim to none.

"Just add him to your Ignore List!" might be the call of many of the community members. But I'm strongly opposed to censorship in any form unless there is malicious intent. And, I take yours and others' word for it that you're not mean. Just Joe, THINE Village Idiot.

Besides, just like the proverbial million monkeys pecking at typewriters, a few shiny nuggets do emerge from the slag now and then, as well as such newspeak, dumbed-down, retarded terminology like 'push steering' .

Every court needs its fool. Keep 'em coming.
Darn it!!! Just when I was sure I didn't like you, and that we would never understand each other...you go and post a gem like that.

"THINE Village Idiot"? Sweet! Headed to the options page!
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post #39 of 39 Old Dec 7th, 2006, 6:56 pm
 
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I suppose one could say there is a shotgun pattern to your "contributions" on these forums.

However, I would liken reading these forums to traversing the backyard of some shiftless small dog owner. It's almost impossible accomplish without stepping in something. This site, as well as its previous incarnation, is so peppered with little Joe turds that the avoidance factor is slim to none.

"Just add him to your Ignore List!" might be the call of many of the community members. But I'm strongly opposed to censorship in any form unless there is malicious intent. And, I take yours and others' word for it that you're not mean. Just Joe, THINE Village Idiot.

Besides, just like the proverbial million monkeys pecking at typewriters, a few shiny nuggets do emerge from the slag now and then, as well as such newspeak, dumbed-down, retarded terminology like 'push steering' .

Every court needs its fool. Keep 'em coming.
Could not have said it better myself. Joe your like watching Alan Colmes on TV, you make people want to reach through the screen for you.
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