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Now Thats a Whuppin!

"A certain woman thinks she is going to be speaker of the house, I tell you, it's not gonna happen.
Don't Believe the polls were in good shape were not gonna lose control of the house." G W Bush
Now thats funny right there.
GOP going from a double digit majority, to a 33 seat deficit.
I bet thats gonna leave a mark
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I bet thats gonna leave a mark
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I didn't know it was going to be the Skid Mark of Rumsfeld being Flushed out of office.
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GOP going from a double digit majority, to a 33 seat deficit.
As if it matters. They're all a bunch of over-paid bums.
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I tell you, it's not gonna happen.
Don't Believe the polls were in good shape were not gonna lose control" G W Bush

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Now they have lost control of the Senate, that has got to hurt, must be devastating!
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Now we just have to wait and see if anything changes for the better overall, or just shift the crap from one hand to the other.

Already the Democrats are foaming at the mouth, first thing up is increase of minimum wage, and talk of Tax changes! Think those tax changes are not going to cost us all more, for no better return? Then there is a big bridge for sale in New York.
They all suck in the overall, no matter which party is in power. Some good people in any party, but the percentage unfortunately is pretty low. Wish there was some way to just get rid of the party system completely, and just get the best PEOPLE working for us. Sure is not going to happen though. No matter which party is in power, we get a few good people with many crappy ones riding in on their coat tails. In my opinion, the party system is enforcing mediocrity of government.

The Dems floated in basically because of our dissatisfaction with the Iraq/Afganistan issues, but what are we getting in return for the change? Only time will tell, but my bet is that it won't be "better" in the overall sense. We may get some satisfaction as far as the war(s) are concerned, but you better believe we will pay for it in some other way, which will become the new battle ground for 2012. It never stops, does it?

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Hope I am wrong, but certainly not betting on it.
Sad Part is David, you and I both know your not wrong.
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Now we just have to wait and see if anything changes for the better overall, or just shift the crap from one hand to the other.

Already the Democrats are foaming at the mouth, first thing up is increase of minimum wage, and talk of Tax changes! Think those tax changes are not going to cost us all more, for no better return? Then there is a big bridge for sale in New York.
They all suck in the overall, no matter which party is in power. Some good people in any party, but the percentage unfortunately is pretty low. Wish there was some way to just get rid of the party system completely, and just get the best PEOPLE working for us. Sure is not going to happen though. No matter which party is in power, we get a few good people with many crappy ones riding in on their coat tails. In my opinion, the party system is enforcing mediocrity of government.

The Dems floated in basically because of our dissatisfaction with the Iraq/Afganistan issues, but what are we getting in return for the change? Only time will tell, but my bet is that it won't be "better" in the overall sense. We may get some satisfaction as far as the war(s) are concerned, but you better believe we will pay for it in some other way, which will become the new battle ground for 2012. It never stops, does it?

Hope I am wrong, but certainly not betting on it.
I think the people we NEED in office don't want any part of the political mess we have. I also question the motives of just about anyone that WANTS to be in office. In our local elections, I know several of the candidates NEEDED a job or more accurately, an income. Sad.

Scrap the Congressional elections:
My recommendation is a truly random draft held every year. Odd district on odd years and even number districts on even years. Each draftee will serve two years. The draftee for each Congressional district shall be picked from a pool of at least 5,000 qualified citizens within that district (none of whom shall be lawyers, suggested by lawyers, or that want to be on the list). Qualified shall mean - solvent, has voted in at least 75% of all local, state and national elections for the last five years and is a BONAFIED citizen of the US. $150,000 per year salary for two years and no retirement. Pot luck can't be any worse than some of the ones that end up there with the system we have now.

Senate elections to stay as they are now except a term limit of one four year term. $200,000 per year salary and no retirement plan other than Social Security - if they qualify.

ALSO - all pay to both Congressional and Senate 'servants' shall come from the States from which they were elected or drafted so that they will be reminded monthly who they represent.

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Now they have lost control of the Senate, that has got to hurt, must be devastating!
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I applauded when the GOP took over the House and Senate during Clinton's administration. And I'm applauding now that it's swung back. I don't want one single party in charge of both the elected branches of our government.

The best way for the checks and balances built into the system to work is for there to be an equitable sharing of power amongst opposing parties. And if that opposition causes grid-lock, all the better. The less they get done during as session, the less chance there is of really screwing things up.

Now either party is a crop of dingleberries for the most part. And I've never voted a straight party ticket in my life. Lobbyists know what they're doing when they bet on both sides of the political fence. If the public would just wise up and treat politicians like the pawns they are instead of the leaders they obviously aren't.

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"representative" government... because, well, we couldn't all travel to D.C. Not to mention the slow communications...

Like our founding fathers and mothers, we are busy living our lives and we hope those we "send" to DC have our interests at heart.

When was the last time YOUR representative or senator showed up with anything other than an open hand saying "Hi, I'm from the guvamint an I'ze heah to hep u wit u problem!

Now, to borrow a word from John Lennon, "Imagine" ... the "government" being afraid of US.

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Now, to borrow a word from John Lennon, "Imagine" ... the "government" being afraid of US.
A good number of the founding fathers of this nation thought they had that covered with the 2nd Amendment .


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Politicians are all pretty much alike. First priority is get re-elected, and second is get more money from taxpayers to spend on you to make you think they are giving you something, when it was your money to start with. The founding fathers moved from England to escape what we now have again.
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Once in awhile you find a good one in the mix
Small Scale, Jeff Harris was running to remove the minority whip in PA. Because he was a real scumbag, treated the tax payers checkbook like money he won in a crap game etc.
Jeff lost in the primary by 2 dozen votes, did he turn tail and go home with tail between his legs, no
He took all his people that supported him with time and funds poured them into the canidate that beat him in the primary. That helped oust the incumbent by a landslide victory, a team player in a field of me firsts. Rare but not extinct.
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PS. It was Jeff's first try at politics, he said it didn't matter who got in, it was about who got out of office. Prior to running Jeff was state PR man for ABATE of PA
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Politicians are all pretty much alike. First priority is get re-elected....The founding fathers moved from England to escape what we now have again.
What you said...
Their zeal to be re-elected IS, in my humble opinion, the BIG problem. Lets see what the market does next year...may have to go back to work!

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