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Lane splitting... not

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Re: Lane splitting... not

That is not the way to do it.
You Ohio people probably don't know the way to do it.
Let me know when you visit out here, and I will show you how to do it.
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Re: Lane splitting... not

I'll bet there isn't one person who he passed badly and unsafely who isn't laughing (at least inwardly) that some swift justice was served.

And before the flame starts, I say that because he was apparently unhurt.

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Re: Lane splitting... not

I'd call that weaving, followed by sheer stupidity.

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You Ohio people probably don't know the way to do it.dc
Unfortunately that guy was from the UK!

I think he needs situational awareness lessons! When I am filtering (lane splitting) there is no way I would try and take on two lorries!

The rule in Belgium (which are similar to the CHiP guidelines) are do not travel more than 50kmph (30 Mph) with a speed difference of 25 Kmph (under 20 mph)

Still at least he wasn't hurt except for his pride!

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That is not the way to do it.
You Ohio people probably don't know the way to do it.
Let me know when you visit out here, and I will show you how to do it.
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Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass. First of all, just because you live out there doesn't mean you know how to do it either. I've ridden Cali 6 times now, and I've been taught by some of the best (Gilles, David Taylor, and others ). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the error of this guy's ways.

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I'll bet there isn't one person who he passed badly and unsafely who isn't laughing (at least inwardly) that some swift justice was served.
Howard, you know I love ya ... but we're gonna have to agree to disagree. We've all done stupid things, on bikes and off, but I just don't find this incident at all laughable. But like you said, he wasn't hurt, and maybe this was the wake-up call that he needed.

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Re: Lane splitting... not

I think I did think that was Britain, or England.
And those guys usually do know how to do it extremely well, tho' far more seemingly reckless than I ever would.
I probably will be here for visit no. 7.
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There are idiots everywhere, no matter what language they speak or which side of the road they drive on . . .

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Re: Lane splitting... not

Rule #1 - There must be enough lane to split. (I can hear Maxwell Smart saying, "Missed it by that much." holding his fingers close together). Glad he wasn't hurt badly. Was obviously going faster than the reasonable speed differential and as a result too focused on his immediate surroundings to realize he was closing fast on a gap too narrow to navigate.

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Maybe if he'd been looking and braking instead of sh#$$ing, it would've ended better.
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Can't believe he didn't at least bust one of his hands.

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Re: Lane splitting... not

Fine tuned my lane splitting skills after two weeks of riding in Europe. Cage drivers are more courteous and will move to the right when passing at high speed.

Often split to get to the front of the pack at traffic signals or construction control lights. No issues and no obscene gestures either.

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I would never do this in Canada or USA. Born and bred in the UK (Don't beat me up on this) Cage drives are taught differently there than North America. Lane discipline is engraved in your head, no passing on left and right just the right only and always move back into the slow lane after the manouver. Here in Canada it's like Wacky Races, people all over the damn place or stuck driving slow in the fast lane. It's total driving anarchy. You seem to be taught to pass a test never to drive. Add to that immigrants from third world countries as driving instructors make life worse if you see how they drive vehicles back in their original countries. Driving standards are going down the toilet and if you try to lane split here it's running the gauntlet. So my advice is be patient and live longer. My destination will wait for me.

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Being reckless and speeding don't mix very well... Not very complicated..

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When I lane split here in Calif I look at the risk/reward in every situation. Calif has put a speed of 38 mph when splitting which is good. Flashing lights and trying to get eye contact through the mirrors is good. Riding my Duc Monster makes splitting much easier as it isn't as wide.
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.... Calif has put a speed of 38 mph when splitting which is good. Flashing lights and trying to get eye contact through the mirrors is good. ...
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In Belgium you see the bikes with their hazards on, while filtering / lane splitting.

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Re: Lane splitting... guidelines removed?

you guys on the west coast US see this?
http://www.ridermagazine.com/latest-...uidelines.htm/

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Calif has put a speed of 38 mph when splitting which is good.
False. There are no "Official Laws" in regards to lane splitting. The CHP put some "guidelines" on their site earlier this month, but were forced to take them down, because they are not laws, merely guidelines and a jack-wagon citizen demanded they be taken down.... These are guidelines only - there is no law stating any speed limits.

The only thing in CA is that Line Splitting (or "Lane Filtering") is not specifically prohibited, so therefore allowed. Now, if you ride like a jackass when splitting, they can get you for unsafe/reckless riding, because all riding must be done in a "safe and prudent manner".

BTW, here are the guidelines that were taken off the CHP site, but can still be seen on the AMA site.

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False. There are no "Official Laws" in regards to lane splitting. The CHP put some "guidelines" on their site earlier this month, but were forced to take them down, because they are not laws, merely guidelines and a jack-wagon citizen demanded they be taken down.... These are guidelines only - there is no law stating any speed limits.

The only thing in CA is that Line Splitting (or "Lane Filtering") is not specifically prohibited, so therefore allowed. Now, if you ride like a jackass when splitting, they can get you for unsafe/reckless riding, because all riding must be done in a "safe and prudent manner".

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When I moved to California in 1981, a CHP motorcycle officer told me the following "rules":
1: stay between the #1 & #2 lanes only (furthest leftmost)
2: don't go more than 5 mph faster than the flow of traffic
3: don't exceed 35 mph

In other words, if traffic is stopped you can go 5 mph, if traffic is moving at 15 you can go 20, etc. I think we'd all agree if traffic was stopped, it wouldn't be safe to split at 35 mph.

Been following these rules since and have never had a problem. I may exceed the 5 mph and 35 mph cap a bit, but these guidelines do keep you in the "safe zone" and give you time to react if some cager decides to switch lanes without warning.

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When I moved to California in 1981, a CHP motorcycle officer told me the following "rules":
1: stay between the #1 & #2 lanes only (furthest leftmost)
2: don't go more than 5 mph faster than the flow of traffic
3: don't exceed 35 mph

In other words, if traffic is stopped you can go 5 mph, if traffic is moving at 15 you can go 20, etc. I think we'd all agree if traffic was stopped, it wouldn't be safe to split at 35 mph.

Been following these rules since and have never had a problem. I may exceed the 5 mph and 35 mph cap a bit, but these guidelines do keep you in the "safe zone" and give you time to react if some cager decides to switch lanes without warning.
In addition try to go between traffic when vehicles on either side are staggered as it gives you more wiggle room, and watch out for those extended mirrors . In California people usually move out to make more room for motorcycles; I try to wave them "thank you!" whenever safe. A little courtesy goes a long way.

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