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post #1 of 22 Old May 26th, 2009, 9:54 am Thread Starter
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Well after 92,500 km I have to dive deep into the inerds of my LT. Looks like I will have to do a Clutch replacement. I'll start tearing it down today and see how far I get. If anyone wants to see the inerds (or help) give me a call or drop by. Looks like I won't be riding for a few weeks.

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Leaving for Mexico for work on Friday back the following Saturday to finish the clutch.

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Well I got back from Mexico. Had things to do so I just got back on to the clutch repair. The tranny is OFF and the Clutch is OUT! =)

No liquid in the clutch area but a bit of sticky dust. Got prices from Open Road, Canada, for the parts I need.

Diaphragm Spring Open Road = $117.30 CDN
Pressure Plate Open Road = $190.90 CDN
Clutch Plate Open Road = $278.30 CDN
TOTAL = $586.50 CDN

Diaphragm Spring - MAX BMW = $65.37 US
Pressure Plate - MAX BMW = $96.97 US
Clutch Plate - MAX BMW = $169.50 US
TOTAL = $331.84 US = $376.07 CDN

MAX BMW charges $25US for shipping.

BIG Difference in price for the same parts.

Guess who I ordered them from?

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Re: Inner workings of the LT

Garry,
Doesn't it just @#$$ you the way some dealers like to make way too much from us poor Canadians. Similar problems here in Edmonton,

Hope all goes well with the repairs, keep us all posted.

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Well I got back from Mexico. Had things to do so I just got back on to the clutch repair. The tranny is OFF and the Clutch is OUT! =)

No liquid in the clutch area but a bit of sticky dust. Got prices from Open Road, Canada, for the parts I need.

Diaphragm Spring Open Road = $117.30 CDN
Pressure Plate Open Road = $190.90 CDN
Clutch Plate Open Road = $278.30 CDN
TOTAL = $586.50 CDN

Diaphragm Spring - MAX BMW = $65.37 US
Pressure Plate - MAX BMW = $96.97 US
Clutch Plate - MAX BMW = $169.50 US
TOTAL = $331.84 US = $376.07 CDN

MAX BMW charges $25US for shipping.

BIG Difference in price for the same parts.

Guess who I ordered them from?

Garry

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G: don't forget the $500.00 fee - you have to take the parts from Max to a Canadian dealership so that they can issue an OEM validity-inspection certificate. You cannot install any parts without it. Really.

(Ha ha..! Wouldn't surprise me.)

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G: don't forget the $500.00 fee - you have to take the parts from Max to a Canadian dealership so that they can issue an OEM validity-inspection certificate. You cannot install any parts without it. Really.

(Ha ha..! Wouldn't surprise me.)
Maybe I should have you nip across the border and pick them up for me, then bring them next Saturday with you. Are you riding or caging next Saturday?

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Nip across? To NH? I'd love that. But you know how I hate crossing the border.

Jury's still out. Current forecast is 'awesome, hot sunny' for Saturday and 'seriously crappy' for Sunday.

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Well it is almost done, Replaced the clutch plate, pressure spring plate, seals, slave cylinder and drilled the weep (vent, drain) hole. Just have to bleed the clutch, put on the exhaust system and try to start up the motor. Then put the rear wheel on and ALL of the tupperware and it's ready. Just hope that it will start. It's not a hard job, just seems long when there is no-one there to help or keep company, A friend helped me the last couple days and things seem to go better (maybe perception only). Always seems to go better when you are not alone.

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If anyone is taking off the reverse mechanizion, be VERY careful when you remove the switch assembley! Either when I was taking it off or putting it back on I sheared off the little (I mean little .040"x.125") switch actuator. The problem was found when I tried to start the bike, No go, not even a starter solinoid. I then remembered that you cannot start it if the reverse is engaged. The arrm showed "F" so then I took it apart again and found out it was broke. BMW dealer in Canada said 7 days from Germany. and $320 cdn. Found out BMW Daytona had one, $187 us + shipping. Ordered overnight UPS. Placed the order on Monday at 1:00 pm, had the part in my hands @ 11:30am Tuesday. Total was $242 US = $278 CDN Still $41 cheaper than the Canadian dealer.....

Well the motor started and now buttoning up all the tupperware, trailer hitch, rear wheel and I hope to go for a ride tomorrow!!!!!!!!

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If anyone is taking off the reverse mechanizion, be VERY careful when you remove the switch assembley! Either when I was taking it off or putting it back on I sheared off the little (I mean little .040"x.125") switch actuator. The problem was found when I tried to start the bike, No go, not even a starter solinoid. I then remembered that you cannot start it if the reverse is engaged. The arrm showed "F" so then I took it apart again and found out it was broke. BMW dealer in Canada said 7 days from Germany. and $320 cdn. Found out BMW Daytona had one, $187 us + shipping. Ordered overnight UPS. Placed the order on Monday at 1:00 pm, had the part in my hands @ 11:30am Tuesday. Total was $242 US = $278 CDN Still $41 cheaper than the Canadian dealer.....

Well the motor started and now buttoning up all the tupperware, trailer hitch, rear wheel and I hope to go for a ride tomorrow!!!!!!!!

Garry
Total was $242 US = $278 CDN Still $41 cheaper than the Canadian dealer..... I guess the price difference is the FEE to verify the part meets BMW CDN spec

Good work Gary, wished I could have helped, but the distance for AB....hope after buttoning up she purrs like a kitten....Safe riding for the rest of the summer.

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Total was $242 US = $278 CDN Still $41 cheaper than the Canadian dealer..... I guess the price difference is the FEE to verify the part meets BMW CDN spec

Good work Gary, wished I could have helped, but the distance for AB....hope after buttoning up she purrs like a kitten....Safe riding for the rest of the summer.
I guess it goes along with the $500 recall letters!!!

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Sorry about your switch problem. There was no way to rebuild or replace with aftermarket?

How is the hunt for the airhead going? At least you do not have to worry about reverse switches on them.

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Sorry about your switch problem. There was no way to rebuild or replace with aftermarket?

How is the hunt for the airhead going? At least you do not have to worry about reverse switches on them.
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I just bought this. I got it plated and insured before I even got it home.
Awesome! That was worth 15 freakin' minutes of downloading, just to see the beast.

Are you going to ride it out East?

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Sometime next year as I approach 12000 mi or 20k I will have to get a major service done.
In talking to a local dealer, they advise me that a 1 hour labour charge or about $100.00 will be assesed because their equipment has to be reconfigured to service a US LT. Isn't everything the same as a Canadian bike?? Is this just a ripoff or is it legit. For most of the service required there should be no need for recalibration of equipment. I may just have to drive over to the USA to have this service done?? I just hate getting ripped off just because I bought a US model? The $500.00 recall letter was bad enough?
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Sometime next year as I approach 12000 mi or 20k I will have to get a major service done.
In talking to a local dealer, they advise me that a 1 hour labour charge or about $100.00 will be assesed because their equipment has to be reconfigured to service a US LT. Isn't everything the same as a Canadian bike?? Is this just a ripoff or is it legit. For most of the service required there should be no need for recalibration of equipment. I may just have to drive over to the USA to have this service done?? I just hate getting ripped off just because I bought a US model? The $500.00 recall letter was bad enough?
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That dealer is being a jerk and shooting you a line. If it were me I would not use them. If there is not another dealer close and you can not do the work, you should take a little trip to the US and get the work done there. I am sure they would be glad to do it for you.

You should post this experience in the Dealer Experience section on this site and name the dealer, so others owners can avoid them.

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Is # 3 the part you are talking about ? http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...54&hg=23&fg=05
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Is # 3 the part you are talking about ? http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...54&hg=23&fg=05
Yes, I broke off the tip of one of the switches. Ordered a new one and eveything is OK. I have the old one just in case I can fix it somehow.

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Sometime next year as I approach 12000 mi or 20k I will have to get a major service done.
In talking to a local dealer, they advise me that a 1 hour labour charge or about $100.00 will be assesed because their equipment has to be reconfigured to service a US LT. Isn't everything the same as a Canadian bike?? Is this just a ripoff or is it legit. For most of the service required there should be no need for recalibration of equipment. I may just have to drive over to the USA to have this service done?? I just hate getting ripped off just because I bought a US model? The $500.00 recall letter was bad enough?
Cheers,
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I had my first service (600 mi) of a USA sold LT performed in Laval, Quebec ... they added no such charge for that service. Different service, yes, but really, how could they? The guys in Laval said a lot of USA BMWs come there for service, particularly when the exchange rate is favorable for USD. They have no issues dealing with that.
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I have a 2003 LT with a slipping clutch with only 43000kms on it. I will be getting it fixed this winter and am wondering about doing it myself. Garry, how would you describe your mechanical abilities as I'm wondering how much skill it takes to do this without doing even more damage. I've done a lot of minor maintenance like brake and suspension upgrades and valve adjustments on my Suzuki Vstrom but am a little leary of trying a clutch.
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I have a 2003 LT with a slipping clutch with only 43000kms on it. I will be getting it fixed this winter and am wondering about doing it myself. Garry, how would you describe your mechanical abilities as I'm wondering how much skill it takes to do this without doing even more damage. I've done a lot of minor maintenance like brake and suspension upgrades and valve adjustments on my Suzuki Vstrom but am a little leary of trying a clutch.
Thanks, Glenn
I found the biggest problem about doing the clutch was getting to it. It is a major thing to do. I am the type that "Just do it" take pictures, don't loose anything, I have both the Clymers manual and the BMW CD, I think the Clymers is alot better. If you need any help let me know, We are not far from each other and I can come over. I have made the 30mm socket and a couple other things to help if you need them. I would suggest doing the small grinding of the frame to help in the putting back together of the rear engine mounts. I did mine without a big lift, makes it a bit awkward but it can be done. Here is about 1/4 of the job, I don't know who wrote it up, but it is good. If you are doing it over winter you will need a heated place to do it. If you have questions call me at 519-927-5669. With the higher CDN $ the prices in the US are even better for us now. MAX BMW and Daytona BMW were great. Be VERY careful when you remove the reverse link and switch, that was a $300.00 mistake I made. See above posts for the prices I got from Open Road and MAX.

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