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Went To The Dark Side!

It's been a great 12 year ride here. Thanks for the memories!

Sold the LT and have moved to the dark side.

Ride safe y'all!




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It's been a great 12 year ride here. Thanks for the memories!

Sold the LT and have moved to the dark side.

Ride safe y'all!
You owe us a ride report!

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Surley you jest?

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The Vision reminds me of the LT back in 99 when it first broke onto the scene - an eye catching, revolutionary styled bike.

But what about the difference in power plants? Do you notice a big difference?


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I put together some thoughts, remember I'm a life long BMW rider...

We like it. Very different from the German LT, but the rider/passenger wind
protection is comparable.

It's all American. Wifey says the Vision is a little agricultural or
industrial, at least compared to the Porsche sounding and feeling LT. I say it
reminds me of a John Deere, but a NICE John Deere.

And what's really wrong with that!

Oh, it requires very little maintenance. Just change the oil and filter. Air
filter and battery are easy, easy to get to.

The Vision has all the enmities we require. ABS, heated grips and seats,
tip-over protection, cruise control, electric windscreen and so on.

Happy, happy, happy!

PS - It does handle VERY, VERY well.

Riding the big cruiser is a treat. She feels like an old American hot rod.
Big, long and King of the Road. Reminds me of my Dad's '49 Mercury. Riding a
cruiser is a new and different experience for me. Being a 1731cc V-twin, she
absolutely has great highway torque with a little added rumble. I love the long
floorboards and deep cushioned seat.

The brakes are linked and work very well. She surprisingly has great suspension
and no nose dive when stopping hard. I like the air adjustable rear shock. I
can't express how impressed I am with Victory's build quality. Fit and finish is
pure premium status. The ABS lines are top-shelf stainless. The mag wheels are
finished very well and looks custom. She even has metal valve stems.

I took the bike out one night and I have never owned any vehicle with headlights
this good. Unbelievable! I can actually ride this bike at night with
confidence. It has better lighting than my F-150! The dash is really cool.
The gauges are white with red needles but at night the dials light up in blue
neon and the needles appear neon red. All the other control panel switches
light up in blue neon too. Very impressive.. It's been a very long time since
I've had a bike that I could even dare to ride in the dark!

The only complaint I have is that bike is too quiet. Quieter than even the LT.
I'll be looking at some upgraded mufflers in the near future. I want to hear a
little more of the air cooled V-twin rumble.

So far she is averaging 41.5 mpg. She handles superbly. Better than I would
have ever imagined a cruiser would. They tell me the proper term for this bike
is a "dresser". I'm certainly enjoying this new experience in riding an
American made Victory.

I find her a treat to ride. Brings back feelings of when I drove a dump
truck (you have to think to achieve the smoothest shifts) and rode Pasa Fino
walkers (independent, proud feeling) . I know that sounds weird, but it's accurate.

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Congratulations, and thank you for the detailed report. I've always wanted to do a test ride on a Vision, but their current advertising campaign kind of sums it up: Ride One, And You'll Own One.

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Congrats Warden! And again, thanks for the report.

In June, I'm renting a K1600 out in Cali. The wife and I are curious to see how that works as a 2-up tourer. With my 2010 Concours14 almost paid off, I'm starting to think about adding a better 2-up tourer to the fold. If the 1600 doesn't float my boat, or even if it does, I think I should take a serious look at a Vision. Thanks for the reminder!

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Hey Warden, Congrats on the Bike.
We have been on the fence for a Cross Country Tour, the brother of the Vision. Road both and they ride very similar, wife said the tour felt a little better and I like the looks of the tour.
Thinking I might pull the trigger soon, 5 year tire to tire warranty, no valve adjustments and great power - whats not to like.

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Hey Warden, Congrats on the Bike.
We have been on the fence for a Cross Country Tour, the brother of the Vision. Road both and they ride very similar, wife said the tour felt a little better and I like the looks of the tour.
Thinking I might pull the trigger soon, 5 year tire to tire warranty, no valve adjustments and great power - whats not to like.
Gosh, I hate it they moved my thread. Not a good way to say bye after 12 years.

We rode both extensively. Wifey chose the Vision because of better comfort and wind protection.

I liked the X Country because it has removable bags and I'm thinking it will have better resale as it is more popular. But, Wifey's opinion rules on our touring bike choosing.

Back to the Vision. I was very impressed with the double aluminum fuel tanks. They are a work of art. The handlebars fit me better than the X Country. I got the seven year warranty.

Biggest smile factor is the low, low maintenance requirements. That and my dealer is just around the corner.

Happy trails.



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Congrats Warden! And again, thanks for the report.

In June, I'm renting a K1600 out in Cali. The wife and I are curious to see how that works as a 2-up tourer. With my 2010 Concours14 almost paid off, I'm starting to think about adding a better 2-up tourer to the fold. If the 1600 doesn't float my boat, or even if it does, I think I should take a serious look at a Vision. Thanks for the reminder!
Thanks Joe,

Do ride one of the touring Victory's before you take the plunge. It really compares to the LT for two-up comfort.

Victory offers demo rides around the country. Easy to arrange a test ride.
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Beautiful!

Stage-2 that bad boy, you won't have complaints of "I wish it were louder" after that.

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The Vision is the only other Touring bike I am interested in. I havent ridden one so i wonder about the vibrations? is there reverse assist? Thanks
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Congratulations, I have liked the looks of the vision ever since it came out, got a chance to test ride one a couple years ago and absolutely loved it. The most striking impression I had was the low-speed stability, using your foot at a stop is almost optional. The only thing I didn't like was the amount of heat coming off the engine right between your legs, it was a hot day (we get those here in AZ) and every time I came to a stop it was really turning on the heat.

I'm sure it will provide many miles of fun, ride safe and keep in touch.

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The Vision is the only other Touring bike I am interested in. I havent ridden one so i wonder about the vibrations? is there reverse assist? Thanks

It has some "good" vibrations at high rpm.

But at cruising speeds, not enough vibration to bother me. I think 3500 rpm in overdrive is nearly 100 mph.

It has a lot of character. You really need to ride one to see for yourself.

They offer a reverse for about $1600. You don't really need it as the bike is so low you can get great "leg" power and balance.

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Congratulations, I have liked the looks of the vision ever since it came out, got a chance to test ride one a couple years ago and absolutely loved it.
Thanks. You are right.



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The most striking impression I had was the low-speed stability, using your foot at a stop is almost optional.
I think it's the ultra low center of gravity and that big crank spinning in line with the wheels. Great balance.



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The only thing I didn't like was the amount of heat coming off the engine right between your legs, it was a hot day (we get those here in AZ) and every time I came to a stop it was really turning on the heat.
I am really impressed with the lack of motor heat (at least compared with the Electra Glide Ultra) as your legs are spaced away from the motor. Maybe I will find out different in August. So far, seems to be a very cool running motor. I've been caught in stop and go traffic at about 90 degrees with no concerns.
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That's a beautiful ride…congrats!

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Your Victory is a very nice bike.

I need to test ride one of those some day.
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Thought I should give an update to my old friends here...

I had some preconceived concerns about the Vision's motor heat. I really liked the bike, but just knew that it would be uncomfortable in the summer heat here. However, been riding all summer with 95+ degree heat with very high humidity around here...

I have absolutely no concerns with motor heat. The bike is amazingly comfortable in the nasty hot conditions here. I always wear tall motorcycle boots with SWAT team tall boot socks. In other words, I don't wear flip-flops, but either way, I'm very...

Happy, Happy, Happy!



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[QUOTE=wardenross;1050593]Thought I should give an update to my old friends here...

I had some preconceived concerns about the Vision's motor heat. I really liked the bike, but just knew that it would be uncomfortable in the summer heat here. However, been riding all summer with 95+ degree heat with very high humidity around here...

I have absolutely no concerns with motor heat. The bike is amazingly comfortable in the nasty hot conditions here. I always wear tall motorcycle boots with SWAT team tall boot socks. In other words, I don't wear flip-flops, but either way, I'm very...

Happy, Happy, Happy!

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The Victory would be high on my list as an LT successor if:

1. It wasn't a V-twin
2. It wasn't so ugly to my eyes (yes, I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder)

Everything else I've read about the bike had been quite positive.

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The Victory would be high on my list as an LT successor if:

1. It wasn't a V-twin
2. It wasn't so ugly to my eyes (yes, I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder)

Everything else I've read about the bike had been quite positive.[/QUOTE]


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... but either way, I'm very...

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Without trying to pop your bubble let me point out a couple things you'll need to keep track of on your Vision. First off inspect your headlight housing closely, they come stock with a small crack, outer upper right on lens as you look at it from the front. This in itself isn't a big deal but if it begins to develop others or you notice any moisture get it replaced asap...ie before the 1 year runs out and the extended kicks in. Secondly inspect the muffler end caps PRIOR to the 1 year expiring for even the slightest blistering, it won't be covered on the extended, nor will any other "cosmetic" claims. Now the final thing I'll warn you on is ABSOLUTELY CRTICAL: Make sure you have the forks serviced, and make sure they do it RIGHT. Doing it RIGHT requires they take the forks apart and clean everything, not just dumping and refilling the tubes. Now what happens if you don't have the forks done RIGHT? Your vision will actually JUMP sideways on tar snakes and scare the living heill out of you.
Now how do I know this? 46k on a Vision in 2 years.
Oh and a little tip to increase your mpg... shift sooner. The bike has plenty of torque so if you upshift sooner and keep the rpm's down the bike mpg will go up to about 48 mpg.

ps... don't run AMSOIL, it will make your clutch slip. Enjoy the bike, it is a good one.
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Oh and a little tip to increase your mpg... shift sooner. The bike has plenty of torque so if you upshift sooner and keep the rpm's down the bike mpg will go up to about 48 mpg.
How do you know when HE is shifting, currently?

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One of the guys I ride with has three bikes and the Vision is his touring bike. He is a skilled rider and has no trouble keeping up in the corners with everyone. He seems to have the same positive experience as you and I think the bike looks much better in person than it does on photos. Hope you have many happy miles on it.

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Joe, educated guess on his shifting. I'm one of the founding members of the local Victory chapter and they keep me around for ride routes, lol. Most of the Vision guys are averaging 46-48 mpg following the early shift routine. Anything below this mpg and the rider is hanging onto a gear longer. Normal shifting would occur at 3k-3500 rpm.
Mine was pulling 52 mpg on a trip when new out of the box. At 2500-3000 miles the mpg normally starts going up as the motor breaks in, and just about every Vision pulls 48 mpg by the 2500 mile mark. When he said 41.5 average on mpg it clued me in he is probably still riding it BMW style. I think his numbers are a little off on over-drive versus actual speed/rpm also. At 3500 rpm's in 6th he's closer to 70 maybe 80 mph, not 100.
It is a great bike, but gets ridden a little different because of the motor configuration. Where the Beemers like rpms and get their best fuel economy up on rpm, the Vtwins like short shifting for the best economy.
Kind of long winded reply, hope it answered your question.

Gerhard, yep the Vision loves a steep corner. Like a sports tour that weighs a lot. They are EXTREMELY touchy to rider input.
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Very Nice! My 2005 LT is up for sale. Been looking at the Vision and the Cross Country Tour. Test drove a Cross Country, very nice! Handles like a dream and got some oomph!

Best of luck and beautiful bike! Enjoy!

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LOL, The big V twins love to shift around 2500 rpm. Short shifting and heavy on the throttle.
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...I think his numbers are a little off on over-drive versus actual speed/rpm also. At 3500 rpm's in 6th he's closer to 70 maybe 80 mph, not 100...
You're off a little bit...

3500 rpm is 92 mph.

3000 rpm is 80 mph.

I'm averaging 47.8 mpg on my long distance travels, now that she's broken in.
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On a personal note it is in the category of ugliest bikes on the road. But as mentioned earlier beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Each to his own, hope you enjoy your vibrations.

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It's obvious I'm wasting my time here. My attempt to say farewell and show my alternate to the out-of-production LT just isn't appreciated.

I'm a little disappointed with the snobbish reception that I've received from BMW circles in general.

And I'm still a BMW owner.

All I can say is, test ride a Victory. You may be in for a pleasant surprise.
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It's obvious I'm wasting my time here. My attempt to say farewell and show my alternate to the out-of-production LT just isn't appreciated.

I'm a little disappointed with the snobbish reception that I've received from BMW circles in general.

And I'm still a BMW owner.

All I can say is, test ride a Victory. You may be in for a pleasant surprise.
Most of the replies seemed neutral to positive, with only a couple that seemed predominantly negative. Methinks you are focusing too much on the few and not enough on the many.

I am always looking for a good LT alternative. I just haven't found one yet that has the balance of the LT overall. The LT does most things well and looks good doing it. It just sucks for cost of ownership and reliability. I have no doubt that Polaris has a better engineered and assembled bike than does BMW.

I just don't share their taste in styling and I really want a 4+ cylinder water cooled engine.

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4+cylinders, water cooled....Goldwing?

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I'm a new-bee to the site and BMW motorcycles but with that in mind I compaired and test drove a Victory Vision Tour before purchasing my 2007 K1200LT and couldn't believe how poor the rear view was in the stock mirrors of this "touring bike", Love the style but I bought the BMW!!! I also like my feet to be below my body not in a recliner.
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It's obvious I'm wasting my time here. My attempt to say farewell and show my alternate to the out-of-production LT just isn't appreciated.

I'm a little disappointed with the snobbish reception that I've received from BMW circles in general.

And I'm still a BMW owner.

All I can say is, test ride a Victory. You may be in for a pleasant surprise.
Hey Warden, I find your posts re:the Vision informative...Thanks! Also I've owned 2 LT's and am not sold on the GTL with passenger comfort concerns. Nice to hear that the Vision compares to the LT in pillion comfort! Also I actually like(appreciate) the out of the box styling but, what do I know about looks...LOL. Kinda uncool to straight-up call someones bike ugly....especially coming from BMW/LT owners
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Hey Warden, I find your posts re:the Vision informative...Thanks! Also I've owned 2 LT's and am not sold on the GTL with passenger comfort concerns. Nice to hear that the Vision compares to the LT in pillion comfort! Also I actually like(appreciate) the out of the box styling but, what do I know about looks...LOL. Kinda uncool to straight-up call someones bike ugly....especially coming from BMW/LT owners
+1 Like the paparazzi talking about who is & isn't the "beautiful people" like they are a shining example. When I'm rolling down the road, I'm not thinking "How do I look? Do people like my bike?" I'm thinking "What a nice stretch of road, or when do I get to the twisties, or nice place for a RTE."

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I loveis those bikes. Been threatening to quit the K for a Vision for awhile now. They do handle very nice. The only thing they need is a center stand. I'm keeping the K until I retire in two years. Then it'll probably be a Vision.

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It's obvious I'm wasting my time here. My attempt to say farewell and show my alternate to the out-of-production LT just isn't appreciated.

I'm a little disappointed with the snobbish reception that I've received from BMW circles in general.

And I'm still a BMW owner.

All I can say is, test ride a Victory. You may be in for a pleasant surprise.
You got me thinking now I have a Victory Dealer just a few miles from me I will have to take one for a test ride and report back thanks wardenross it would be nicer to find something in comparison to the LT and whole lot easier to work on

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It's obvious I'm wasting my time here. My attempt to say farewell and show my alternate to the out-of-production LT just isn't appreciated.

I'm a little disappointed with the snobbish reception that I've received from BMW circles in general.

And I'm still a BMW owner.

All I can say is, test ride a Victory. You may be in for a pleasant surprise.
Nice bike. I've been riding beemers for a long time. K1200LT, R1200RT. Also owned numerous Hondas and Yamahas with no issues. More than I can say for BMW. Nice bikes also. But I'm totally impress with the Victory bikes in general and would own one if I could afford it.

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The wife & I are on an 06 LT since new, eight years now. We have taken test rides at three Victory dealers in the SoCal area and she loves the back seat on the Vision. We have the comfort seat on the LT and she often said if we get another bike she wanted to take the LT seat.

I really liked the looks and 41 gallons of storage on the Cross Country Tour but she wasn't happy with the rear seat. At first I didn't like the look of the Vision, just the way I felt about the LT at first, but now I own one. The LT has about 31.5 gallons of storage and the Vision 29 so at least the storage is close. We will have to learn to pack lighter and less. Polaris has really done their homework on making a reliable machine. About as easy to care for as my old 1500 Gold Wing.

I first test rode the Vision & CC Tour like my LT, taking off in first I would hit the rev limiter every time at about 5200 RPM. It requires a new way of riding, slow and easy but it has way more torque and almost the same HP as the LT.

I think there is a Vision in my future, hopefully not the distant future.

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My first impression is that it's one of the ugliest looking bikes I've ever seen.
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Warden, I was thinking CVO Ultra from the headline !

Thanks for the information on the Vision. It is an interesting bike, but I think I would look seriously at the new Indians if I got crazy and wanted a bagger.

At 65 I am still too young for those, however.

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The wife & I are on an 06 LT since new, eight years now. We have taken test rides at three Victory dealers in the SoCal area and she loves the back seat on the Vision. We have the comfort seat on the LT and she often said if we get another bike she wanted to take the LT seat.

I really liked the looks and 41 gallons of storage on the Cross Country Tour but she wasn't happy with the rear seat. At first I didn't like the look of the Vision, just the way I felt about the LT at first, but now I own one. The LT has about 31.5 gallons of storage and the Vision 29 so at least the storage is close. We will have to learn to pack lighter and less. Polaris has really done their homework on making a reliable machine. About as easy to care for as my old 1500 Gold Wing.

I first test rode the Vision & CC Tour like my LT, taking off in first I would hit the rev limiter every time at about 5200 RPM. It requires a new way of riding, slow and easy but it has way more torque and almost the same HP as the LT.

I think there is a Vision in my future, hopefully not the distant future.
I did test rides on both the Victory's as well. Liked the handling and look of the Vision better than the CC Tour but could not get past the limited storage. Told that dealer at the time, if the Vision had the storage of the CC I would buy one. I had heard that they were redesigning the Vision but do not know if that's for 2015 or 16.

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