Originally Posted by RonKMiller
An interesting side note:
A friend of mine that manufactures VERY loud pipes for sportbikes called me recently in an absolute panic. He wanted to know if I knew of any special sound damping composites that he could use in his design to kill the noise. I reluctantly referred him to a couple of companies.
He told me that there was a new federal law being passed that would place severe restrictions on the db level with the aftermarket manufacturers
, and that they would be required to match stock db levels. I really didn't catch the new law, but he said it would put him and plenty of aftermarket pipe guys out of business. I'm not usually if favor of new regulations, but I applaud this one.
I HATE loud pipes with a passion, and although I would not want him to go out of business that sometimes is the way the cookie crumbles.
Loud pipes on cars or bikes have absolutely no
place in our already overwhelmingly noisy society and ESPECIALLY in supposed refuges from it.
Ticket the ***holes and ban them.
I've read the proposed regulation, it involves intakes as well as exhaust...air pollution as well as noise pollution. If it goes through as written you can kiss your FI chips as well as your Remus exhaust systems goodbye. Aftermarket manufacturers would only be able to produce functionally equivalent systems that produce the same performance and emissions that the stock systmes do. That's as built, NOT as required.
I like a bit of sound out of my cruiser, not ear-splitting but more thant the BMW standard sewing machine for sure. Most unmodified, aftermarket exhausts meet the strict letter of the law which specifies RPM as well as distance and angle from the pipe outlet. (my bike shop tests them according to the statute and only sells the ones that comply...they sell most styles and brands) The problem is that the law is too generic and the manufacturers surely tune the systems to squeak by at that setting. I would like to see a new standard written that limits the sound level over the full RPM range of the motor and allows for some "improvement" to the sound.
There are opinions about what should be allowed and they run the gamut from absolutely silent to no restrictions at all. The AMA is taking the correct approach, IMO, with there "loud pipes risk rights" campaign and I support it fully. I am amazed by how many people on this board support so many government imposed restrictions on motorcycles from loud pipes to protective gear. This is, however, my first foray into a realm dominated primarily by sport bikers...this is strangely a far more opinionated group in regard to other types of bikes and other tastes than the cruiser world I am used to. (But then I guess I am a moron since I ride a cruiser and not a sport bike, right Joe? (BTW...you can call it a Harley if you like...I've never seen you use any other designation for cruisers so I'm sure you couldnt be bothered learning the difference))
If I WERE to start advocating government restrictions on bikes I'd start with governors and top speed limits. Street racing idiots and stunt weenies are my pet peeve...loud pipes annoy many for sure, but a pair of Ninjas appearing out of nowhere on the highway at well over 100mph, blasting by on both sides with engines emitting ear splitting shrieks through aftermarket racing exhausts as they weave from lane to lane while racing each other have damn near startled me out of my socks...I'd be shocked if those types of idiots haven't caused more than a few accidents. Who the hell NEEDs a bike that can top 150mph? No one, in my opinion. But I will never advocate government restrictions on bikes...I will, however, continue to jump up and down for stronger enforcement of traffic laws (or, to be more accurate, traffic suggestions as that is what they seem to have become) and stiff fines for outrageous violations thereof, by cars, trucks, AND bikes.
My feeling has always been that motorcylists are a threatened minority in the world of vehicular transportation and we need to stick together in trying to find ways short of government regulation to reign in those who make us all look bad in the public eye. Condemning, mocking, and stereotyping riders simply based on the fact that their taste in motorcycles differs from our own is NOT helpful to the overall cause. For all the talk on this board of "buy what speaks to you" it is amazing to me how a number of people on this board are content to publicly condemn people on their choice of bike without further qualification. Passing judgement based on the love of chrome and leather and the "classic" look and ignoring the common denominator of two wheels. Obviously some here feel that statement is understood to only apply to THEIR taste in bikes. I've seen plenty of comments regarding the "Harley Crowd" (again, usually meaning all cruiser riders...I'd personally never buy a Harley, overpriced for what it is) that assume we are all a bunch of drunk morons riding from bar to bar on their loud slow "butt jewelry". As I see it that is just pointing up ignorant intolerance on the part of the speaker (or writer) who, if they realize it or not, doesn't actually support motorcycling as a whole.
If you phrase the question carefully you might (or might not) be surprised at how many people would not care (or would even be happy) if motorcycles were banned altogether, not just from parks and quiet areas...cite the "social burden" or protecting us from ourselves, or traffic hazards of street racers and stunt weenies or any number of other "threats" to themselves or others that the stereotypical motorcyclist represents...it's NOT just loud pipes, although the excessive noise levels of many are not helpful. We should be pushing hard to advocate motorcycles as a solution to traffic and fuel consumption, not supporting efforts to move more and more in the direction of eliminating them.
All that being said I do think that the current noise standards are inadequate and need to be strengthened and enforced for ALL vehicles (including truck engine brakes and the mega-watt stereos), I just don't want to see the draconian solutions that are currently being proposed.
Sorry for letting this devolve into a long rant, I guess I just go from simmer to boil sometimes...