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Moto Guzzi's jumping in the water....

This may not be new news to some but I just saw it for the first time:

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/06/04...k-in-progress/

I admit, I have this (unrequited) love for Guzzis and the prospect of 140ish HP version is pretty enticing....

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Re: Moto Guzzi's jumping in the water....

I have always found Guzzis interesting. Why not? Opposed twin, shaft drive.

Would be interesting of Guzzi came out with an up-to-date competitor for the 2014 R1200RT. Triumph all but copied the RT with its Trophy SE. Guzzi could too.

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Re: Moto Guzzi's jumping in the water....

Euro IV rules come into play next year and that means a 25% reduction in emissions. Liquid cooling isn't necessarily progress- it's do or die. I wonder how HD will manage...
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Re: Moto Guzzi's jumping in the water....

HD will just increase displacement and lean 'em up one more time. Heak, they run hotter than a popcorn fart now....

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HD will have partial liquid cooling very soon

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Re: Moto Guzzi's jumping in the water....

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HD will have partial liquid cooling very soon

HD V-Rod already does.

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"As on the old Honda CX500, the gearbox of Moto Guzzi’s new liquid-cooled V-Twin will rotate in the opposite direction of the crankshaft to kill the torque reaction generated by any motorcycle engine with a longitudinal crank."

Are they thinking they will cancel out strange gyroscopic torques from frame motions about the pitch and yaw axes? or do they think this will cancel out roll moments induced when goosing the engine?

Their logic escapes me.
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Re: Moto Guzzi's jumping in the water....

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HD V-Rod already does.
Wonder if further developement on other engine platforms will be in conjuction with Porsche like HD had to do for the V-Rod ??

Most "hard core" HD riders, do not accept this as a "TRUE" Harley.

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I have always found Guzzis interesting. Why not? Opposed twin, shaft drive.

Would be interesting of Guzzi came out with an up-to-date competitor for the 2014 R1200RT. Triumph all but copied the RT with its Trophy SE. Guzzi could too.

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Wonder if further developement on other engine platforms will be in conjuction with Porsche like HD had to do for the V-Rod ??

Most "hard core" HD riders, do not accept this as a "TRUE" Harley.
And that closed mindedness causes them to lose out on what is probably the best engine in any HD today. And they also miss out on some great bikes from other manufacturers. But the image and name on the tank means more to them then the riding.

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Re: Moto Guzzi's jumping in the water....

I looked at a Norge when I bought my more expensive 08 RT. I didn't think it had build quality in the league of the RT.

Guzzi has been doing better with Piaggio cash backing it. The new 750s are good looking though not modern or powerful and fill a certain nostalgia niche in the market.

The new 1400cc cruiser and touring are well styled with adequate power. I plan to test ride one soon just to see though if I understand current reviewers its low gas mileage and small tank rule it out as a potential real touring bike (supposedly a lot worse than Hondas V-4 attempt re range)

With Piaggio muscle and looking at what Piaggio has done with its other brands lately, it seems Guzzi will get a serious lift and proably claw back to some better market position than the past few years. The biggest obstacle will be no dealer network worth talking about- makes BMWs scant dealer presence look enormous by comparison...

I'm no fan of anyone's traditional air cooled V twin cruisers and would love to see something innovative in the US with some volume. Motus, if its real, is dinky and too expensive and Indian by Polaris is juist one more Harley wannabee, not worthy of much note...
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