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Sunoco non ethanol gas near my home

There is a Sunoco station a few miles from my home that sells non-ethanol gas for about $1.00 more per gallon. I just filled up and it came to 4.65 a gallon.

Would it be better to just add some "additives" to each tank vs pay an additional 4-6.00 per fill up?

I could not tell any difference on my ride back, but it will be interesting to see if my mileage changes. I'm presently averaging between 40 and 41 miles per gallon as per the bikes computer.

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There is a Sunoco station a few miles from my home that sells non-ethanol gas for about $1.00 more per gallon. I just filled up and it came to 4.65 a gallon.

Would it be better to just add some "additives" to each tank vs pay an additional 4-6.00 per fill up?

I could not tell any difference on my ride back, but it will be interesting to see if my mileage changes. I'm presently averaging between 40 and 41 miles per gallon as per the bikes computer.
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Don't want these northern gas gouging getting any ideas. It likely to spread like a wild fire.
Dan was the octane rating still the same?
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Re: Sunoco non ethanol gas near my home

I can't remember. It was listed as the highest octane on the pump. When I stop by the next time, I'll check. There are a lot of similar stations through Florida and I'll try to use them as often as possible.

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The ECU compensates for ethanol, and protects the engine to the extent that it can. And there is no way of knowing if you are actually getting what you think you're paying for, short of capturing a sample and having it tested.

Lucas octane booster and fuel conditioners more than compensate for the corn-liquor.

While out west, I was forced to get a tank of 85 Ethanol at one of the closed stations in Wyoming where they leave the pumps on for CC users. That was the only pump left on, and the GS was on fumes after several hours of 50-70 mph crosswinds, with not another fuel source for 200 miles. Somewhere north of Sweetwater and South of Wind River Canyon. Dumped in a heavy load of Lucas O-Booster and some fuel conditioner I carry when traveling, and the GS never knocked, run hot or failed to answer the call for more throttle; which I seem to do a lot of.
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Pure-Gas.org lists 6,720 stations that offer Ethanol free gas in the US and Canada.

They also have iPhone/Android apps.

None near me, I'm afraid, but the app makes it easy to look when I'm traveling.

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And there is no way of knowing if you are actually getting what you think you're paying for, short of capturing a sample and having it tested.....
The test for alcohol in fuel is easy using just a test tube (or similar). Put a small amount of water in the bottom - like about a 1/4 inch). Nearly fill with the fuel sample, put your thumb over the end and shake the whole mess for a minute.

Let it settle & see if the water/gas line has increased. If it has, there is alcohol in the fuel.

Water will "suck" any alcohol out of the sample, as it would much rather mix with water than with a pure hydrocarbon. That's why E10 etc will become contaminated with any water it can get to very quickly. In Florida you should be suspicious of any sample.

Pilots with piston aircraft engines (about half of all single engine aircraft can use MoGas) use this test a lot. E10 is a no no in aircraft.
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Let it settle & see if the water/gas line has increased. If it has, there is alcohol in the fuel.
Simple straight forward self test, I love it, thanks.
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All these things are good to know.
One can perform these tests on one's home turf if one frequents the same water hole every time. But on the road looking for gas is a different story. As you all know gas quality varies by region and the brand/terminal it is coming from. In my neck of the woods BP, Dutch Shell, Martin are pretty common place and are usually accompanied by 10% alcohol. In the east I see a lot of Exxon, and Hess, Ashland oils down south I see more unfamiliar names too.
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Dan,

I have been running the Sunoco non ethanol gas now for over a year in my bike, law mower, and yamaha boat motor. I pay more per gallon at the pump, but have have had zero fuel related repair problems and repairs. Also, my bike's mph increases on the non ethanol gas.

Boat motor repairs for ethanol gas problems can be expensive. The additional cost per gallon is not an issue for me.
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Dan,

I have been running the Sunoco non ethanol gas now for over a year in my bike, law mower, and yamaha boat motor. I pay more per gallon at the pump, but have have had zero fuel related repair problems and repairs. Also, my bike's mph increases on the non ethanol gas.

Boat motor repairs for ethanol gas problems can be expensive. The additional cost per gallon is not an issue for me.
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It's good to remember that ethanol is an octane enhancer and in most respects a better alternative than tetraethyl lead.

The point is, gasoline today blended without ethanol is going to require some other treatment to maintain octane and whatever refinery creates this brew must do that. It's not just a matter of skipping a step.

Octane is simply a measure of ability to avoid pinging/detonation and you need it. If you actually believe your electronics can compensate for lower octane, that's fine, but it will without question do it in a way that reduces performance and economy. Of course there are benefits to avoiding ethanol, but you still need the octane.

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When I tried non-ethanol fuel. My bike was much more difficult to start.

Told the service manager at the dealership (I didn't tell him I put in non-e fuel) and the first thing he asked me is did you use non-e fuel? Of course I answered yes. He said they had had other bikes that had been in with the same difficult start problem who had used non-e fuel.

I promptly returned to Chevron Supreme and the symptoms promptly disappeared once the non-e fuel was gone.

I was highly surprised.

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