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How do you deal with summer heat using ATGATT?

I'm a newbie looking for an RT, coming from 22 yrs riding my HD in jeans and leathers and a 1/2 shell helmet. I am planning to upgrade to a quality fullface helmet, and I understand the ATGATT philosophy, but I'm just curious how one handles the heat of the summer? I have been on rides in 100 degree plus weather and am having a hard time figuring out how to stay comfortable and yet protected.

Thought it was a good question to bring up being that I live in Michigan and it will be snowing soon !

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Like you, I came out of the HD culture. T shirts and jeans, boots and half gloves or no gloves at all. When I became exposed to the Euro Riding Culture, I also became aware of ATGATT philosophy and began to follow it. Lo and behold, I learned that I was actually cooler with full ATGATT. Let me explain, I wore vented jacktet and pants with armour. Vented gloves, a full face helmet that vented well. When moving I am actually cooler than T shirt and jeans, as long as I am moving. Stuck at traffic lights or traffic is hot, just the same as I was in T shirts and jeans. However, I have not had to lay on sun block to save my skin like I used to and that is just fine with me. I wish I had known about ATGATT in my HD days, but the culture did not make that knowledge readily availabe. Let me give you an example: I was at a PGR event, where everyone else was riding HD's. It was 103 f day. I was wearing my vented Olympia pants and jacket and while standing in formation was only wearing the pants and a T shirt. After the event, several HD riders came up to me and asked about the pants I was wearing (with only undies on underneath). They said it looked like it would be very cool compared to jeans and I agreed. They further said that they did not know they made stuff like that. See what I mean?

Anyway, I hope I educated some people that day, but you rarely see HD riders following ATGATT.

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Joe Rocket jackets work for me in Ohio.

One's the Corduro and the other is mesh. I take the liners out when we get into the 70s.

Ohio does not have mandatory helmet laws. I took my daughter out to buy one. I was having a very difficult time finding something that worked for her. At one motorcycle dealership, I asked about a helmet. The sales guy had to ask someone else in the shop because he didn't know if they had any. [They had an "accessory" shop where you could buy farkles for your HD, but helmets were not in the store.]

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I came from a similar culture as UltraLT but mine was more of an evolutionary process. Weaned on a Honda 50 Cub at age 14 then graduating early to motorcycles before helmets were enforced. Rain wear comprised a green garbage bag with holes cut out for arms and head.

I too rode Harley's wearing a tee shirt and jeans on nice days, leather jacket and chaps on cool days and through it all was lucky enough not to go down.

Started wearing full protection after buying my first sport touring bike and adopted "all the gear all the time" more to resemble other sport touring riders than being worried about protection but I did have concerns about heat. Those concerns quickly gave way to the comfort and all weather protection afforded by modern riding gear. Most good textile gear is well vented as well as being lighter than leather even with the inclusion of body armour.

Once you commit to full protection anything less seems a step backwards, regardless of the temperature.
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Retired to Las Vegas about 4 years ago. Homes in Colorado and Southern California in addition to Las Vegas. I regularly ride from Las Vegas to California across the desert all summer long in temps of 100 and above and would not think of doing the ride without my Veskimo. The Veskimo cooler goes in my top case. I drilled a hole in the bottom to route the supply/return hose for connection to the vest and power it off of the rear Canbus outlet. A jacket with all vents closed keeps the cool air in and the hot air out. At 100 degree plus temps I would like to be a bit cooler, but am comfortable and safe in ATGATT. The vest works best when placed under a jacket to "insulate" and keep the cool air inside. With my core being cooled by circulating ice water, even my head in my full face/modular helmet stays reasonably comfortable. I tried evaporative vests and they do not come close to the Veskimo.

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I am planning to upgrade to a quality fullface helmet, and I understand the ATGATT philosophy, but I'm just curious how one handles the heat of the summer?
This pass summer I drove through some of the worst heat I've ever experienced, 100+ for a little over 4 hours, hitting a high of 106. The Olympia mesh jacket and mesh pants helped with airflow and keeping the sun off. Without that gear the direct sun rays just flat out burn, even through jeans. The other thing that really helped was putting crushed ice in the helmet. It cools your entire body and prevents heat rash on your scalp.

I have to say that the full mesh suit is a game changer, wished I hadn't put off upgrading my riding gear for so long.

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Even mesh ATGATT can be uncomfortable in high heat and humidity. But I understand it's nowhere near as uncomfortable as third degree burns with three times a day scrubbing with a stiff brush to remove the dead skin, and having skin grafts. I prefer "uncomfortable" to the alternative.

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Veskimo personal cooling system.
Search the forum for "Veskimo".
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Wearing quality under-garments and quality gear that vents is key. I wear UnderArmour under my Olympia riding gear and have no issues in any heat. Keeping hydrated is also key. With the Harley crowd, that means stopping for a beer every 10 miles. For me, that means taking a sip of cool water from my CamelBak every 10-15 minutes.

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Wearing quality under-garments and quality gear that vents is key. I wear UnderArmour under my Olympia riding gear and have no issues in any heat. Keeping hydrated is also key. With the Harley crowd, that means stopping for a beer every 10 miles. For me, that means taking a sip of cool water from my CamelBak every 10-15 minutes.
Talking about CamelBak........what do you do with the mouth piece to be able to get it into your mouth while riding?

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Talking about CamelBak........what do you do with the mouth piece to be able to get it into your mouth while riding?
Mine has a 90 degree valve on it so it don't think I even have to lift up my modular helmet to take a drink. (Going by memory here since it's been several months months since the last time I used it.)
Having said that, I wear a modular helmet so I could always just flip it open real quick to take a drink.

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OK, that make sense (modular helmet, that is). I was thinking of the problem that I have with a fixed chin piece, and of course a modular type helmet would be better.

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OK, that make sense (modular helmet, that is). I was thinking of the problem that I have with a fixed chin piece, and of course a modular type helmet would be better.
With my old fixed chin piece Shoei I could feed the mouthpiece under the chin bar to my mouth. With the modular I can either go under the chin guard or flip the guard up.

Two important safety tips. Make sure the mouthpiece is threaded through the loop on the shoulder strap. If not it flips over your shoulder and is impossible to reach. After threading through the shoulder strap, you can tuck it under the sternum strap so it's easy to access. I recommend to practice drinking with gloves on while sitting on the bike and not moving. Number two - make sure the mouthpiece is securely stuck onto the hose. If the mouthpiece comes off while riding you get a spitting cobra hosing the contents all over you, your helmet, tank bag and inside of the windscreen. Three guesses how I learned that and the first two don't count.

All other advice fro others is pretty reliable. Veskimos, hyperkewl vest, mesh gear are all great. I recommend some sort of cloth or absorbent dew rag for the noggin. It may cause a tighter fit, but the evaporative effect is quite cooling.

One final word, unless I missed it, not too much you can do when the heat and humidity combine to defeat any cooling effects from evaporation. Best advice is to ride early and take a break during the hottest time of the day.

Good luck.

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I have Cortech/Tourmaster mesh gear and it does get hot in 100+ F temps when sitting still, but at highway speeds is very comfortable. I don't use my camelback while riding because I need to get off & walk around every couple of hours and stretch out, so I hydrate at those times. About one liter of water/Gatorade (500ml each) keeps me from gettng dehydrated. A 10 to 15 minute break every 125 to 150 miles on a long trip works perfectly. Saving my pennies for a Kontour seat.

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I'm wanting to join the ATGATT club, I have a modular Fulmer Trident helmet, but am stuck with my harley gear (leather jacket and chaps / pants). I know that everyone says that you get what you pay for, and to not jeopardize your safety for cost... however if I go that route, I'm 1000 bucks into gear and divorced and paying child support. If I keep it cheap, I'm protected, still married and get to see my daughter every night... so what's the recommendation for cheap atgatt gear? Cyclegear has BiLT brand... I've been looking at that.

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If I keep it cheap, I'm protected, still married and get to see my daughter every night... so what's the recommendation for cheap atgatt gear?
I really like Olympia Moto Sports gear. I highly recommend you look at some before buying ANYthing else.

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I like that brand... price is a little on the higher end... but not bad. If you get a chance, go to cyclegear's website, and look for the Mens Explorer Air Jacket. it's 199. that's the one I like a lot

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I'm wanting to join the ATGATT club, I have a modular Fulmer Trident helmet, but am stuck with my harley gear (leather jacket and chaps / pants). I know that everyone says that you get what you pay for, and to not jeopardize your safety for cost... however if I go that route, I'm 1000 bucks into gear and divorced and paying child support. If I keep it cheap, I'm protected, still married and get to see my daughter every night... so what's the recommendation for cheap atgatt gear? Cyclegear has BiLT brand... I've been looking at that.
Look at Competition Accessories web site as well. Clicky They carry several brands in a range of prices. I am soon to buy Olympia pants to replace my Tourmaster Venture Air pants since the zippers are same size and orientation and Olympia has belt loops (Venture air has one button broken and side strap tearing loose after only 6 years ) Really not dissappointed in Venture pant just like Olympia better.

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... Thought it was a good question to bring up being that I live in Michigan and it will be snowing soon !
I like your thinking!

Well, here are some suggestions from climate more similar to yours (with a friendly wave to all Arizonians, Texans, etc.).

In warm weather, I use summer riding gear from Rev'It. I am not sure if one can call it "mesh", because the fabric has barely any openings - but is permeable. The pants and jacket I have also come with wind liners, which are great when the temps drop out of the hot range. Remember that beyond a few very hot weeks mid-summer, you will often encounter hot days and cool mornings/evenings.

Generally, I use my summer riding gear in temperatures from the 60's up. Wearing raingear over summer suit extends the temperature range even further down.

Unless it is very, very hot, I use long-sleeve lycra-like base layer. Typically, UnderArmor on top and Alpinestars Tech Underwear on bottom. It's counter-intuitive, but it allows the suit to slide against the skin - otherwise it would get horribly stuck and uncomfortable. That's an old trick from wearing full race leathers. Few things are as uncomfortable as race leathers on a hot day, stuck to your body.

I do use a full-face helmet. In the summer, the visor is cracked open more than I'd like, but - hey - I need to breathe. Under the helmet, I use one of these fabric Buff Headwear "tubes" pulled over my head like a balaclava (google that). The fabric is thin and absorbs sweat, reducing the" stinkiness" of the helmet itself. It also eases slipping in and out of the helmet when you are all hot and bothered...

Make sure to use a short windscreen to allow you some airflow. Tall screens are great when it is cooler, but create too much still hot air in the summer.

This is my summer getup. I just realized that it is about 5-6 years old; I guess I should not be too annoyed that it starts showing some wear...

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I really like Olympia Moto Sports gear. I highly recommend you look at some before buying ANYthing else.
+1 for Olympia Moto Sports! Find the jacket and/or pants you want at your local store. Best pricing on them I have ever found is at Tellico Motorcycle Outfitters in Tellico Plains, TN. Mike is the owner. Great guy and a rider. Tell him the BMW LT group told you to call and he'll make you a deal.

A lady in the office at my last job asked me nearly once a week in the summer if I was hot in "all that gear". It was almost as if she didn't remember asking me the same question last week. My reply was always the same. "Sure, it's hot, but I can sweat a whole lot easier than I can bleed." Did I mention she was the company's safety manager?!?

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I have a set of BMW textile riding gear - pants and jacket. It has more vents than most and is very comfortable even in 100 heat. I wear underarmor tee and shorts underneath and drink alot (1/2 liter to liter an hour) when it is really hot. I try to get in the shade for 10 minutes every hour to cool off (the other reason is when drinking this much water I need to stop regularly to relieve myself.) I also lower my windshield all the way so that my body catches more of the breeze. This seems to keep me comfortable enough to endure even the really hot days.
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Solid, not mesh if it is really hot.
Let the air go up the sleeves.

Stay hydrated.

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Full gear is the only way to go when it gets really hot. It is just like riding in freezing temps, you have to layer the proper way.
That full face hemet is a must, I have found that when the temps really get up there, just opening the shield a little is like a blast furnace on your face.
First thing to get into is the proper underwear, wear shirts and pants that will wisk away the sweat and let it evaporate at an even pace. A wet shirt is what will keep you cool be it sweat or by added water. With that said, you have to drink lots of water. In 100 plus, your looking at near 36 oz an hour.
A full mesh jacket is good if you have a full faired bike, otherwise they actually allow too much evaporation. A well vented full jacket and pants allow just enough air flow to allow even evaporation. The inflow isn't as important as exhaust to let hot steamy air out.
A good tip: this is what I do, when the weather hits those extremes and riding is possible, I will dawn different types of gear and take a twenty mile ride just to see how everything works. A half hour is not going to cook you or freeze you to death but will give you a very good feel of how your gear combination will handle extreme temps. That being said, eight hours in plus 100 or sub freezing is a lot different than 20 miles and it takes some prep. to stay comfy. But it can be done with proper gear and a little knowledge. My wife complains about all my gear, but I use it all for different situations. I have often toyed with the idea of laying all my gear out and taking a photo but not sure I have enough floor space.

You will start getting a kick out of the comments you get when you pull up in full gear weather it is hot or cold. Shrug it off and know your are happy while you ride and they are not.

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Just an update for myself... I've found the Tour Master Transition 2 jacket to be pretty close to what I want at a really good price. Does anyone have any experience with this?

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I have one, and have worn it over 100 and down to freezing. It has a pretty good airflow system. Only problem I have is lack of flow on sleeves that other jacket has. Love the fit and feel.
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Just an update for myself... I've found the Tour Master Transition 2 jacket to be pretty close to what I want at a really good price. Does anyone have any experience with this?
I think mine is transition 3, but it works for me up to 85 degrees. And easily down to 40. I currently don't have overpants to keep my legs warm, so I can say how it works below 40. In the summer I have a joe rocket mesh that works great. I'm fair-skinned so riding in summer w/o something is out for me anyway.

The transition 3 is comfortable enough that I have worn it as my coat off the bike. If it's comfortable to you, get it. I think it's a great piece.

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Keep the sun off you. The Arabs know to cover up in the desert. Use light colors.

Keep the hot air off you. Better to have a vented jacket for a passive air exchange as opposed to an open mesh that allows the hot air to bake you like the set it and forget it oven.

Keep well hydrated. Stop every hour or so and drink in a cool spot too cool off (say no soda's and salty fries, salads and Iced tea or water is good). Some people sip as they go, but its better if you can take a break and get out of the heat.

Call it an early day if you have to and get an air conditioned room.

Agree Tourmaster Transistion jackets are good. That's what we use.

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Re: How do you seal with summer heat using ATGATT?

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I'm wanting to join the ATGATT club, I have a modular Fulmer Trident helmet, but am stuck with my harley gear (leather jacket and chaps / pants). I know that everyone says that you get what you pay for, and to not jeopardize your safety for cost... however if I go that route, I'm 1000 bucks into gear and divorced and paying child support. If I keep it cheap, I'm protected, still married and get to see my daughter every night... so what's the recommendation for cheap atgatt gear? Cyclegear has BiLT brand... I've been looking at that.
I came from the HD world and was in a similar position. What I did is sell all my leathers online. Either through CL,ebay or forums. I got about half ov what I spent in the first place but it allowed me the $$ to get some good gear. I went with the FirstGear Rainier TPG jacket and their HT overpants. They are great and I would buy them again in a heartbeat. for the top and bottom I paid somewhere around $500all together. They breath great and are totally waterproof as well. I would highly recommend this combination to anyone for any type of weather.

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post #30 of 33 Old Jan 10th, 2013, 8:15 am
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Re: How do you deal with summer heat using ATGATT?

I just wanted to give an update in my winter journey to becoming a proactive, safety minded rider. I recently acquired a Shoei Qwest helmet from eBay for $200 shipped. It was used maybe 2 times, and it came with the clear lense and the mirrored silver lense. My helmet is the dark matte gray. In March (with my extra paycheck) I'm eyeballing an Olympia Moab Jacket it the silver color. I don't know that I'll go so far as pants, other than maybe some kevlar armored jeans... I already have some good boots ($300 chippewa logger type boots with good ankle support)

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Well I figured I'd update again. I picked up an Alpinestars Cape Town Jacket... We'll see how it goes.

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I wear Motoport Kevlar Mesh suit which lets air flow freely. You may be able to see the weave in this photo. Underneath I have LD Comfort shorts and Under Armour T-shirt. If it is really hot out, like 90+, I pour water all over my shirt. The evaporative cooling is good for up to one hour.


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Re: How do you deal with summer heat using ATGATT?

'I'll be finishing my transition to full Motoport soon.

I got the jacket last year, upgraded my boots, vented and waterproof ones, to one level down from racing track kind of boots and replaced my Schuberth flip helmet with a highly rated one, Caberg, that I bought from Italy. I discovered it on the webbike site's evaluations. Since Caberg doesn't sell helmets in North America I went to the eBay Italy site and found a dealer that shipped to USA. Shipping was around $40.

If you are considering a flip you'll find helmet evaluations there along with information about how a flip helmen should not be made.

I looked around a lot to find the boots for less than every USA sealer sells them for and found one place in France that discounted them enough that even with shipping they'd cost less than the USA suggested retail. Even though I found out what size to buy from that manufacturer I decided it was safer to buy from a USA dealer that lets you send them back for a different size and not charge for the return shipping cost.

It has EU certification but nothing for USA. Since there isn't a helmet law for AZ I'm it won't be checked for a DOT sticker,and I'm betting a ticket that out of state no one will question if the helmet has a DOT sticker.

I'm making the transition from JoeRocket mesh type jacket and pants for hot wx and AeroStich for rainy days and the rest of the year.

Can't say I ever had much faith in the mesh type gear for sliding down a road. But it was better than no protection.

With the Motoport on I feel a lot safer than I did in the JoeRocket gear.

Last summer I discovered that the material they suggest for 100F WX seemed to let in a lot more air than the JoRocket Phoenix? jacket which was cooler. As a result I keep in the back of my mind to eventually replace the jacket for one made with more dense material.

On my list for this year is Motoport pants water proof liners for the jacket and pants, Motoport non winter gloves, and Veskimo with back pack and the biggest cooler they have. My plan is to use the backpack for around town and if I ever have to be outside fixing something and the big cooler for long distance rides.

I'm also considering buying a full face non-flip helmet for when I don't need to use the flip.

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Oh.......also a Harley rider with leather chaps and leather jacket (I had Harley fever before I hit my teens. I'm glad the local Harely dealer was able to make me made enough to brake my Harley fever. In my early 20's it made sense to me to rider a chopper, no front brake ect, and to ware a patch.

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