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post #1 of 58 Old Sep 10th, 2012, 12:15 pm Thread Starter
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2013 Triumph Trophy

Was just about to pull the trigger on a new RT SE, but having read Kevin Ash's review of the new Trophy................I'm know not sure what to do.........
The bike is launched here in the UK on Nov 1st, guess I should wait a bit.

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I would. Its a win win if you wait. If you like the trophy better....you win! Or if you still like the RT better, you maybe able to negotiate a better deal with the increase in competition....you win!

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A copy of the Mona Lisa is just that, a copy. The Trophy may be a good bike, but I don't think I'd want to cope with some 50 kgs more than the RT, already a handfull itself.
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the RT, already a handfull itself.
Without those two cylinders sticking out, whats going to protect the Trophy when dropped?
Factor in repairing all that exposed plastic, and the cost of the Trophy (at least for me...driveway drop) is at least the cost of the RT.

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Without those two cylinders sticking out, whats going to protect the Trophy when dropped?
Factor in repairing all that exposed plastic, and the cost of the Trophy (at least for me...driveway drop) is at least the cost of the RT.
On the other hand, I understand service is every 16,000 kms. That's way better than the RT's 10,000 kms.
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I hate copy cats !!! Why can't everyone just build their own bike (like BMW did)? I saw a picture in a magazine of a Honda that looked like the RT also...including a circle Honda emblem right where our BMW one is.

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http://www.triumphrat.net/news-room/...e-preview.html

Interesting thread here. also there is a forum dedicated to the new triple trophy, there, too.
http://www.triumphrat.net/trophy-1200-triple/

Been watching from both sides and the consensus is similar. Too much a copy and too expensive for a first year model. Good reading on the first link... tomp dd50


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Re: 2013 Triumph Trophy

Firstly, I am always a little suspicious when it comes to a Brit reviewing a Brit bike. Having said that I believe the Trophy will be a good thing especially for those shorter in stature. I feel the R1200RT will remain the benchmark in this class of motorcycle and expect many a future Triumph owner to boast `It's as good as an RT'...

I guess it will be a little like Victory riders comparing their machine to a Harley Davidson, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder and value can often be little more than perception.

It is good to ride and own the true benchmark in this class of motorcycling (so I will continue to think).

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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Kudos to Triumph for acknowledging the superiority of R1200RT. I hope Triumph can make improvements on the RT-like platform. This, in turn, may keep BMW sharp, rather than rest on it's laurels. I am quite a fan of BMW, but I also own a Triumph. Triumph is doing a wonderful job and I hope the competition keeps BMW on it's toes...

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The better the competition the better BMW bikes will be. Good for Triumph, I hope other manufacturers follow suit especially in the area of sport tourers.

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Ditto! I agree 100%.

Also there is no copying of the boxer engine - an outstanding feature of all R bikes.

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Sounded to me as though the main area that he felt the Trophy was superior was in handling, and without an RT there to ride back to back, this is from his best recollection.

However, the penalty of the less sophisticated and adjustable suspension of the Trophy is a harsher ride. If you ask me, it sounds like the current RT strikes a better balance of comfort and handling.

The Trophy looks like the first real competition for the RT. The Pan, C-14, etc, really come up short on features and options, and general quality, but the Trophy appears positioned to really compete.

I will say that I am pretty sure the new RT with the water cooled boxer and new generation ESA, etc will put some distance on the Trophy in terms of superiority. To that end, I am hoping to see some styling more simalar to the 1150RT.

Anyway, I'll hang on to my 2012 for a couple years and see how this all unfolds. The Trophy is nice, but too new, and not even clearly superior to this generation RT from my perspective.
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Disclaimer to follow; I'm a one month owner of a 2012 RT. Seems odd to me to compare the Triumph Trophy to the RT when the 1300GT is near the same weight and HP, granted GT has 20 HP more but RT has 20 HP less. Guessing they prefer to compare to a model that can be statistically beaten. I could care less which bike the reviewer ultimately chooses and i think the RT is definitely a benchmark bike given the number of sucessful years of production. My observation though is the Triple powerplant is totally diferent than the boxer and a lot more like a water cooled K engine.

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Also there is no copying of the boxer engine - an outstanding feature of all R bikes.
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I just got an email from Triumph about the Trophy. It says "In stores January 2013" and gives a price of $18,999. Remember, like the R1200RT the top case is extra, but not as much (but I think they charge extra for the passenger "back pad").

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Local Triumph dealer is a friend of mine. He says Triumph has purposely targetted $4k below BMW pricing for their models. They plan to go head to head with BMW and the Trophy is aimed squarely at those shopping the RT. I'll be riding the Trophy once it arrives, not buying but it will get a fair shakedown.
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To each his own, but I don't feel the RT is a "handful". It seems better balanced than quite a few other bikes, including some BMWs, both when standing still and when in motion, .

That said, if I was in the market for a RT-like bike, I'd definitely check out the Triumph. Their quality control and fit and finish of their later models is superb, IMO.

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He says Triumph has purposely targetted $4k below BMW pricing for their models.
This simply means more weight and less sophistication than the BMW.

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Those who think the new Trophy is a direct copy of the RT might like to dial up CGameProgrammer's excellent little program http://cycle-ergo.com and have a look. Select both, use the mouse scroll wheel to transition from one to the other and make your mind up.

While you're at it, have a bit of fun and load these bikes (all discussed here from time to time) in this order and scroll back and forwards through them - K1600GT, R1200RT, Triumph Trophy, ST1300, Concours14, Yam FJR1300.

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Being a long time triumph rider so I have been watching with interest the reports on the triumph rat forum. Bike has just been released to dealers in uk on 1 st of November. Am rather surprise with the lack of comments on the rat forum. A couple reports listed today but really expected more activity. Will be interest to see comments after some test rides reported. Think the Trophy will be a great bike but its time for me to finally have an RT in the garage as I have been wanting one for awhile now. If all works out one will be mine by end of month
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I had just finished reading a writeup of the Triumph in Motorcyclist magazine. They gave it an excellent rating of 5 stars. They positioned the bike as being aimed directly at BMW, and it falls (in term of performance) somewhere in between the RT and the 1600GT.

It seem that the Triumph is less expensive than the RT, considering what comes as standard features, and has more power with its triple. The other plus for somebody like me, with a 30" inseam, is that the Triumph has a lower seat height. If I remembered correctly, it is adjustable from 29.7" - 30.2", or something like that. OTOH, the Triumph is much heavier than the RT. I think its curb weight is about 82 pounds more than that for the RT.

Would I buy a Triumph next? Very attractive thought, but I do like the RT a lot, and I want to see what the water-cooled RT will be like. If the water-cooled GS is any indications, the next version of the RT is bound to be great!

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If you sit on the Trophy, it doesn't seem to be nearly as comfortable as the RT. I think the RT has it all over the Trophy if you are tall.
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Local Triumph dealer is a friend of mine. He says Triumph has purposely targetted $4k below BMW pricing for their models. They plan to go head to head with BMW and the Trophy is aimed squarely at those shopping the RT. I'll be riding the Trophy once it arrives, not buying but it will get a fair shakedown.
Triumph's positioning is smart. They have a good brand and will steal sales from BMW, especially since the Trophy offers more features for less money. I can't wait to see how the Trophy compares to the RT, FJR and others in the category.
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If you sit on the Trophy, it doesn't seem to be nearly as comfortable as the RT. I think the RT has it all over the Trophy if you are tall.
Comfort is a relative. I'm 6'3" and feel more comfortable being in what some would call a more cramped position. I have a feeling the Trophy would be more comfortable for me, than the RT.

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I sat on the Trophy at the Progressive show last week. The front fairing seemed a bit wider than the RT and the ergo's were a little bit tighter for me (6'3"). A little closer to the handle bars and pegs a bit higher.

However, the 10K oil change service and the 20K vale check/adjustment is intriguing. Would bring the cost of ownership well below the RT. For a bike that is supposed to be so sophisticated and technically advanced, why does the RT still require 6k valve check/adjustments. Seems archaic and the one major gripe I have with BMW's. [end rant]

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I've now had two test rides on the new Trophy, one a quick spin, 45 minutes, just after it's launch and the other a 4 hour ride. I covered all kinds of roads from motorway, bumpy side roads to twisty mountain roads. Overall it's an excellent bike. One interesting thing I noted - on the 4 hour ride I had two short breaks and each time getting back on felt like getting on for the 1st time. Contrast that with my first ride on an LT with 'luxury soft touch' seats. After 45 minutes I wanted to get off and stay off!

I plan on doing a write up on the bike soon and if anyone is interested they can PM me. I don't think it would be 'pc' to publish it here.

Would I buy one? I'll be sitting down with the dealer to see if we can hammer out a deal later this week.

Why? Sorry, but I've got to the point where I can't trust my LT any more.
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I hate to think that forums have dropped so low as to have to be PC on them, and you aren't able to review a motorcycle that poses interest to many members here. I ride a'12 RT and to me, is the, the easiest handling touring bike I've ever ridden.

I, for one, do want to know how the new Trophy stacks up to my bike, and would rather hear it from you, instead of reading about in a magazine, that takes Triumph's ad money.
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I, for one, do want to know how the new Trophy stacks up to my bike, and would rather hear it from you, instead of reading about in a magazine, that takes Triumph's ad money.
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I hope you post your write up. There are a lot of members here who also have other bikes than a BMW. Heck, some long time members don't even ride BMW's anymore.

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+1 on posting your write up!

Hey, if you can't trust your LT anymore, then what's wrong with buying an RT? It is more expensive than the Triumph, but it is a lot lighter and a great ride!

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Gee, wonder who they could be Jim!

As far as the Trophy review, by all means please do post your opinion here for the rest of us to see! And Tks in advance!

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Yes, please post your review here and let's see who has the gall to whine about it. We may (or may not) be BMW owners but we are interested in other aspects of motorcycling too. Motorcycling enthusiasts if I may say so!

The Triumph was on my radar too, and if was out one year earlier I would have tested and maybe bought one. But so much has happened to me with regard to bikes this past year- like buying an RT-P in the spring and then winning the MOA Superstakes in August, I'm thoroughly enjoying my new RT and I can't see the need to look any further.

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I plan on doing a write up on the bike soon and if anyone is interested they can PM me. I don't think it would be 'pc' to publish it here.

Would I buy one? I'll be sitting down with the dealer to see if we can hammer out a deal later this week.

Why? Sorry, but I've got to the point where I can't trust my LT any more.
Please by all means write up your thoughts. I would love to hear some first hand experience with this bike.

BTW screw PC we are a bike forum & want to know about bikes.

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"Purposely targeted" is euphimism for "left out that much content."

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And a Big Happy New Year right back at you & yours Jim! As a matter of fact, HAPPY NEW YEAR to all you folks out there!

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OK guys, I've done the review and it's longer than I expected. So here's what I'll try (but this is new to me so someone please let me know if it works) - I've put it in my Dropbox and here's the link to it:

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Thanks for the write up. I am on the list for a test ride. Hope it happens soon.

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2013 Triumph Trophy review




I have now had three chances to see, feel and test the new Triumph Trophy. The first at the Irish launch at Dublin Triumph, when, after a very good presentation, we had some touchy feely time with the bike in the showroom, then a quick 45 minute test drive some days later and lastly a four hour run on it the Sunday before Christmas. In a moment I'll share my impressions. First though, a little about me. Why? Because it really annoys me to read a review and try to make it relevant when I have no idea of the size, shape or experience of the author. For example, I read rave reviews on the effectiveness of the screen on the Pan European (Honda STX1300A to those across the pond) when it first came out. I ended up buying one and spent my entire tenure being severely buffeted. In fact, I found that for long high speed runs the best position was screen fully down. At least then I had a smooth airflow over me. So much for the 'cocoon of still air' I had read so much about. I'm not going to do the same to you.




So about me. I'm 6'1'' with a 33'' inseam and weigh c.15 stone about 200 lbs or a smidgen more, though work on that is starting soon, again. I first rode a motorbike in about 1970. I survived 3 years of biking around Dublin in the mid seventies as a student probably with much the same approach to my wellbeing as motorbike couriers. During that time I rode 50, 125, 175 and 250cc bikes. Since 1995 I've had large touring bikes. I've owned 2 Goldwings, a 1200 Aspencade and a GL1500, the Pan European mentioned above and 3 BMW's, an R1150RT, a R1200RT and, for the last 5 seasons, an LT. I have also ridden other big bikes such as Harleys and Yamaha Venture and tall bikes such as Aprilia Capnord, Honda Africa Twin and BMW GSs. I feel this is relevant because I've read a lot of comments about how big and heavy the new Triumph is. Yes, if your sole experience is a Honda Hornet. But for me it was actually smaller and lighter than my current steed.




On to my impressions of the Triumph. And these are impressions. Actual measurements, technical data and photos and videos are readily available at various online sites, including Triumph's.




Firstly, in the showroom. Looks. A good looking bike. Much the same as the current RT, though with a nicer side view, and K1600 though I prefer the latter's owl face. It has what has evolved into a generic look. Have a gaggle of Pans, RTs, K1600s, Connies, FJRs and the Triumph coming at you and you'd be hard pressed to pick any of them out. Definitely not distinctive like the LT, Harleys or Goldwings. But where it's pitched, it's in the front row. I wasn't sure about the black plastic across the top of the front over the lights. I think continuing the colour would have worked better, or maybe some brushed aluminium like the GL1200. The RT has the same black plastic from the lights up but it works because the screen is shaped to it and covers it. And at the back, I'd have preferred more integrated luggage, like my LT, but even BMW don't do this anymore. Size. It is large. Slightly bigger than an RT and very slightly smaller than a K1600. It seems very wide across the tank area and in front of your knees. The seating length is about the same as the K1600 which is good for two up touring. Less helmet banging as experienced on shorter bikes like the RT's and Pan. Panel. Simple and straightforward with nice clear instruments and displays. A bit like the pre 2010 RTs before they gained the hooded dials but with a bigger info display. Toys. Plenty. Radio, heated seats & grips, electronic suspension, power sockets, bluetooth, etc. Luggage. About the same capacity as an RT but the top-box looses the coffin look. Both panniers take a full face helmet and the top-box takes two. All have the fancy Triumph system that allows some movement to aid stability. On opening the top-box I was surprised at high high up the floor was. Most of the capacity seems to be in the lid. Also, The floor was a disappointing cheap looking plastic. A bit of carpet or a lining a la LT would have made a huge difference.




Driving. Starting up the engine has a lovely sound. Distinctive like the RT but different. Smoother but still an odd sound. A good exhaust note. Some mechanical noise but not as much of the annoying whine of the Pans or K1600s. Overall a real, old fashioned, motorbike sound. I liked it. Engaging gear, the clutch is well weighted and the gear change slick even when cold. A big difference from my LT. First attempt to move off, easing the clutch out and cracking the throttle open, results in a loud roar as the super sensitive throttle has the revs screaming long before the clutch even starts to bite. I got used to this almost immediately and didn't embarrass myself any more until attempting to move off for the first time again on my second drive. I had forgotten how sensitive the throttle was. Again, after the first effort I had re-learnt the necessary coordination and there was no further problem. Well, a slight side effect which I will mention in 'Niggles' below. But accelerating and gear-changing was smooth. In fact the gear-change itself was fantastic. Like the proverbial hot knife through butter. And the clutch lever didn't move about under your fingers as the K1600 does with its fancy slipper clutch.




The bike only had a couple of hundred miles on it so I didn't abuse it. But even 'gently spirited' acceleration on part throttle was lively and brought in a nice induction sound with an equally nice reply from the exhaust end. Mechanical noise wasn't really obtrusive at all. I would say that the latest RTs feel livelier when accelerating but that's probably down to the peaky nature of their power delivery. The Triumph seems to pull stronger through more of the rev range. Both are probably equally quick but I would guess that the Triumph would have the edge fully loaded.




Handling. During my two rides I had it on everything from city traffic to motorways, bumpy side roads and twisty mountain roads. Overall excellent. Weight disappears as soon as you move off. Slow u-turns are effortless. Very responsive at speed. Great turn in. Very secure feeling. Top marks.




Comfort. Now, here's the big question for a tourer, especially from BMW owners who support a huge aftermarket industry in seats and windscreens. This is particularly why I wanted a longer time with the bike after my first spin. Overall excellent, again. Seat. I think the test was that during my 4 hour ride I took two short breaks, one for fuel and one for coffee. Getting back on the bike each time was like getting on for the first time. Not even the slightest discomfort and not a hint of the immediate pain experienced when you re-acquaint an aching muscle with the seat that caused the soreness in the first place. Contrast that with my first experience with the LT's soft touch seat 45 minutes was all I could bear. Ergonomics, in the sense of the pegs/seat/bars relationship were good for the first run and excellent for the second. No shoulder, neck or back pain after 4 hours. The difference between the two rides was that the seat was at the low setting for the first and I found my legs bent a little more than I'd like. At the high setting it was perfect for me. I could still flat foot both sides when stopped. Suspension. It had the electronic version and it was set to comfort/solo rider for both drives. I found that was firm enough for me and, as mentioned above, gave excellent handling so I didn't fiddle with settings. It was a bit too hard for my liking on the bumpy roads. Didn't soak up the bumps like my LT or even the version 1 ESA RT's. But it handled way better. Probably the same overall feel as my Pan European. Interestingly, I've just had a drive on a GS with its long travel suspension and it felt equally firm. Maybe my LT has me spoiled.




Weather protection. Excellent. Windscreen performed about the same as my LT which has the high screen option with a Laminer Lip added. One difference I noted was that I could feel cool air on the top of my head for the first time. Whatever way the LT deflects the air doesn't allow this even though the buffetting/noise seems the same wearing my Schuberth Concept helmet. There's about 6'' of still air behind, up, down and outwards from the mirrors. The LT has more still air below the mirror with the 'wings' open, less with them closed. The airflow past the legs starts right beside mine on the LT, about 4'' further out on the Triumph. The width of the fairing and the little lips around the edges show here. No sense of pressure on my back at speed with the screen up. I was solo so no impressions from the rear seat. I had one heart stopping moment when I leaned left to change lane after overtaking an Izuzu Trooper. At that moment I was hit by the bow wave and a strong gust from the side (there was a gale warning earlier) and I thought the bike was being whipped from under me. The LT is far more stable in the same conditions. Sometimes heavier can be better! I remember noting this improved stability when I first got the LT after my R1200RT so the Triumph is probably very similar to the RT in this regard.




Living with it. Very easy to drive. It feels in between sitting on it, like an RT, and sitting in it, like the LT. Closest is the K1600GT. Easy to paddle around into parking spaces and to hoik up onto it's main stand. Clear instruments with information I like readily available. For instance, on my LT I have to scroll though mpgs, range etc., to get to temp. The Triumph has it displayed on the top of the info screen constantly. Scrolling through the available screens seems natural. One of the screens showed I was getting c.52mpg (imperial) at a constant 75mph and almost 60mpg at 60 mph on a tight engine. Overall it's fast enough, torquey enough, comfortable, responsive, well equipped, good looking and sounds great. I like!




Niggles. And these really are only just very minor in the scheme of things and can be easily sorted. I mentioned there was a side effect of the sensitive throttle earlier so I'll start there. The cruise control canceling is linked to the throttle as well as clutch and brakes. It needs to be decoupled from the throttle urgently. This is no doubt just a software fix and could be flashed in at the dealers. At the moment any movement of the throttle cancels cruise with resultant forward lurching. This happens on bumps and even once when I put my hand back on the throttle. Niggle 2 also concerns the cruise and this is that the switches are on the right. Try as I might, I could not engage it, especially with that throttle. I ended up setting it with my left hand, which meant not only taking my hand off the bar but looking down to see what I was doing. Not clever. Next switches. Main ones (indicators, horn, lights) very good but the minor ones, especially the cruise control (again) were poor. They were aimed at my navel and impossible to read. The LT has the writing or symbols on the tops of the switches, facing you, not on the front faces. I expect you'd quickly get used to things though but it's not user friendly at the outset.




The first time I tried to give a dab of rear brake the pedal just wasn't there. I eventually found it a lot lower and further in than I expected. Using it required quite a bit of foot contortion which was very surprising as the gear lever was perfectly positioned on the other side. During a chat afterwards the service guy at Dublin Triumph said that the lever could be easily and quickly adjusted to my preference.




The top-box lid is supported when open by straps on either side. Unlike the LT, they don'r reel in and at one point I found that one had been trapped outside, probably blown out as I closed the lid. The result was that the lid was wedged up a bit on that side. I'm not sure if that would have allowed a leak or not but it was a bit untidy.




My first drive was on a bright sunny day with a clear blue sky. Being winter though, the sun was low in the sky. With it behind me I had severe reflections on the panel, blotting out the info screen completely and making the main instruments difficult to read. I remember the same on my Pan, even slightly worse. The screen on the LT is brilliant that way, though my Garmin display suffers the same fate. My final niggle, and this is seriously tiny, is the response rate of the windscreen. This is especially noticeable as it begins to lower from full up. No big deal. I'm just used to it happening faster.




These are really just quibbles (and indeed the ones relating to the cruise control will not even bother a rider who doesn't use it. I do, all the time.). Overall it's an excellent bike. If these issues were dealt with it would be absolutely brilliant. Would I set off for the south of France on one? In a heartbeat. Would I buy one? I'm waiting for a call from the dealer now to see if we can hammer out a deal.




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+1 on posting your write up!

Hey, if you can't trust your LT anymore, then what's wrong with buying an RT? It is more expensive than the Triumph, but it is a lot lighter and a great ride!
Hi PadG. As you'll see from the piece, I've had one. The Triumph gets my attention.for a number of reasons -

1. I was waiting for the K1600, hoping it was to be an LT replacement. It's not.
2. If I have to have tacked on luggage then that opens other options & the Triumph is one.
3. The Triumph is slightly bigger than the RT which we found a bit cramped two up.
4. The running costs should be a lot less - 10,000 mile service intervals and Triumph seems to have a better reliability record recently.
5. The Triumph lies between the RT and the K1600 in size, power and weight. It has all the toys and is priced less than either. That's the biggie!

Just my thinking at the moment. But maybe it's just that after 3 BMW's I feel like a change.
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OK guys, I've done the review and it's longer than I expected. So here's what I'll try (but this is new to me so someone please let me know if it works) - I've put it in my Dropbox and here's the link to it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l141u6hvqp...h%20Trophy.odt

It's an OpenOfficeOrg file but I think it'll open ok in Word as well.
Just finished reading it! Very nicely done, thank you!

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UPDATE...

My LT is gone. I've been haggling with my BMW & Triumph dealers. BMW were initially giving me a substantially better trade in price and Triumph a better cash discount. As it happened I sold my LT within a week of advertising so it was going to be a cash deal. But I still wanted to be sure I was making the right decision so I took another test ride on the K1600GT.

I hated it. Almost turned around and gave it back after 4 or 5 miles, but I remembered my first test on an RT. The dealer told me he didn't want to see me back until just before closing. He insisted that I get used to the bike and not just take it around the block, because he predicted that in that case I would't like it. So I pressed on with the GT and actually did the same trip as I had done on the Triumph Trophy. I got home battered and with a headache, backache and a pain in my right wrist. The biggest problem was the buffeting. I just couldn't eliminate it no matter what screen setting I tried. The frontal area was just too narrow and the screen too small. Now the engine sounds glorious when giving it the beans and is incredibly smooth, no debating that. But the problem is that there's so much wind noise at cruising speeds that you can't hear it. Same as Harleys! Really you would get the best aural value in city driving just accelerating all the time. So overall is is not the bike for me. I did an excellent deal with Triumph dealer and have a deposit down. I expect the bike in the middle of March. I'm happy to do another write up at say 3000 miles if anyone's interested.

There's a couple of points in my initial review that I'd like to update now. First the look of the front. It has grown on me and I don't find the black plastic as noticeable as on first glance. In fact it's almost identical to the 1200 RT which I've always thought one of the nicest faces on any bike. I do prefer the owl lights on the K1600 - but not face as I previously said. The face is actually too narrow and out of proportion with the back. By moving the mirrors up BMW have robbed the rider of wind protection for the hands and have allowed wind to flow in around the corners causing the bad buffeting I experienced. That experience has been shared by some other riders and their passengers according to other postings and has led to a market for aerowings. As I said in my first piece, the Triumph gives as good, if not better, protection as the LT and has more on the road presence.

You can get a good idea of what I mean from the photos in this article - http://www.motorradonline.de/verglei...chstest/439843 and in this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Al1Q1cyvpg

The second thing to mention is the suspension. As it turned out, the GT, even at comfort setting, was just as firm, so the Triumph is on par here (remember, it was the exact same route). So that's a K1600 GT and an R1200GS ridden since my first tests of the Triumph and they were all just as firm.

So, I'll see how I get on with the Triumph as I await the next generation LT!

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Wow, 1.5 months to pull the trigger, and now another month wait to take delivery. No one can say you're an impulse buyer.

Cheers! Sounds like an occasion to drink a Guinness. (Now, if I could only find one over here. )

I look forward to reading an update after you've taken delivery and broke it in. Was there any color choices? If so, which one did you go w/ ?


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I read at motorcycle.com where this does have a TPMS.

They showed a pic of a blue one that's really sharp.

Being the cheap bastard I am, I just need to wait several years for some "previously owned" ones to show up.

Maybe I can find a rental of one in the mean time.

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Hi Jeff,

Delivery on the Triumph wasn't going to be any sooner even if I had ordered last November. I needed the time anyhow to get the dealers to see it my way on the price. One thing that complicated it at the very end was a discount BMW has now introduced on the K 1600's. They're throwing in the comfort pack free up to the end of April. Makes about 1600 difference. That really brought it into contention. Anyone thinking of a K1600 should see if that's available for them. As I said, the bike just wasn't for me. I'm sure it would suit others to a tee. I went for the blue Trophy. It looks sharp in both colours though I'd have probably gone for a red if I could. The colour choice is poor - blue or silver.
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Hi Kevin,

Very nice write-up, thanks for taking the time to let us know. I went to the article you linked, and studied the photos. It does seem that moving the mirrors on the K1600 took away quite a bit of the width of what I would call the upper fairing. It looks to me the bike has a narrow front. Even the windshield looks too narrow. I can see the test rider's hands, arms, and shoulder are not covered by a windshield or fairing area. I do see what you mean that the Trophy seems to have more of a "presence", but maybe it was the color difference that also contributes to that appearance, I'm not sure. Hope you enjoy the Trophy and do let us know how you and it get along!

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I stopped by the dealer in Fort Myers to check out the new trophy. what a great bike I really like it.

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I was waiting for the K1600, hoping it was to be an LT replacement. It's not.
Yes BMW has very thankfully returned to being BMW and gotten away from the cruisers (R1200C) and Gold Wing clone LTs. The K1600 is a BMW for sure. And, IMHO the K1300GT shouldn't be gone.

The K1300GT, as someone noted above, is the better BMW comparison to the Triumph, as the boxer is a unique animal all its own. If I weren't such a die-hard boxer twin fan, I'd be looking for a used K1300GT to compare to the Triumph.

Also, I'd imagine the British are like everyone else and could move their police forces to the new Triumph. That will tell an important tale, one way or the other.

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