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post #1 of 14 Old Jun 14th, 2011, 9:23 am Thread Starter
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Traffic light sensors

Anyone on this site know if NC has a statute that allows us to go through a red light that does not change because the sensor does not recognize a bike. I know they have that in TN and my riding buddy who lives there carries a copy of the statute with him because few LEO know about it.
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post #2 of 14 Old Jun 14th, 2011, 11:26 am
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Yes NC does have that law it is called safe red light law. Here is an artical in a Raleigh newspaper about it. http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/new...e-vehicle.html
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According to the article, the law in NC states that you now only need to wait 3 minutes at a red light before proceeding! I wonder how many times it will cycle in 3 minutes?

Of course, an officer did say that the 3 minutes would be difficult to enforce unless they happened to pull up to the light at the same time.


We have one of those lights at a main intersection where I cross quite often and not only is the green light on my street green for only 15 seconds (a side street to a main highway) but many times I don't trip it. I hope Florida has the same law because I go through it several times a week.

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I think there would be a big argument on the 3 minute time limit, both from the LEO and the guy that got the ticket. I wonder what a judge would say?

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Re: Traffic light sensors

It doesn't matter what state I'm in......if my bike does not trip the light after a cycle or two, I will safely procede thru an unresponsive traffic light.

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[QUOTE=DanDiver]According to the article, the law in NC states that you now only need to wait 3 minutes at a red light before proceeding! I wonder how many times it will cycle in 3 minutes?

Of course, an officer did say that the 3 minutes would be difficult to enforce unless they happened to pull up to the light at the same time.

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Not too far from where I work we have a notorious traffic light that doesn't sense motorcycles. I asked the Chief of Police about the policy for riding through a red light because it wouldn't turn green. He told me, "After waiting a reasonable period of time you may proceed." Of course I asked, "What's a reasonable period of time?" And his response was, "Any period of time waiting for a green light that would be reasonable." So if I get a ticket it'll be me and the officer having a philosophic debate in traffic court as to what amounts to a "...reasonable period of time."

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One of my onboard GPS,s will back up the three minute wait.

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post #8 of 14 Old Jun 19th, 2011, 7:24 pm
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I came here and got one of these. Problem solved..

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D9C

Stuck it to the frame under the motor. Not only does it trip the lights it also picks up any stray rail road iron I may run over....

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One of my onboard GPS,s will back up the three minute wait.
The flip side is that your GPS could get you in trouble just as well... LoL

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I have the details of the red light law in NC in my teaching bag - can get it if you need more details. I *think* it is 2 or 3 cycles OR 2 or 3 minutes. Would have to look it all up. IT has to be the kind of signal that you can see the cuts in the asphalt - not always easy if it's been repaved. You CAN be ticketed for running the light, but can use the new law as a defense in court. And you may only proceed if there is no one else at the intersection that has the right-of-way, pedestrians included.

AS usual, I'm not a lawyer or anything else. Anything I say can't be used as a defense. You would need to look it up for yoiurself and be familiar with the statute. : )

But there is a law in NC for red lights.

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Randy,

I am sure that you slept at a Holiday Inn express last night. Did you have to go all the way to Kernersville to find one Thanks for the input.

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The flip side is that your GPS could get you in trouble just as well... LoL
I was stopped for speeding on Taconic State Parkway (NY State) a couple of years ago. After the cop already handed me the the ticket, we engaged in this semi-professional conversation. "Nice GPS", he said. Aw, thanks. "Can I see it?" Sure.

Then, using a shortcut, that I even did not know about after many years of using this receiver model, he instantly brought up the trip computer on my GPS.

Only then it dawned on me that he was going to show me that I am a general scofflaw, with high maximum speed recorded. The ticket was already issued, mind you; this was to quell any protestations, I presume.

I got one on him, though. The trip computer showed high 3-digit values, something like 600-700 mph, as maximum speed. He was stumped: "I knew BMW bikes are fast, but I do not think that fast", he mumbled.

I was just coming back from a loop that included several overnight passages on a car deck of a ferry. When the GPS receiver "wakes up" hundreds of miles from previous tracked location, maximum speed calculation can apparently get very confused. Check your own.

Below: not from that one, but from a similar trip. Was I fast or what?


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I was stopped for speeding on Taconic State Parkway (NY State) a couple of years ago. After the cop already handed me the the ticket, we engaged in this semi-professional conversation. "Nice GPS", he said. Aw, thanks. "Can I see it?" Sure.

Then, using a shortcut, that I even did not know about after many years of using this receiver model, he instantly brought up the trip computer on my GPS.

Only then it dawned on me that he was going to show me that I am a general scofflaw, with high maximum speed recorded. The ticket was already issued, mind you; this was to quell any protestations, I presume.

I got one on him, though. The trip computer showed high 3-digit values, something like 600-700 mph, as maximum speed. He was stumped: "I knew BMW bikes are fast, but I do not think that fast", he mumbled.

I was just coming back from a loop that included several overnight passages on a car deck of a ferry. When the GPS receiver "wakes up" hundreds of miles from previous tracked location, maximum speed calculation can apparently get very confused. Check your own.

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I was at the Santa Ana checkpoint during the 2009 Iron Butt Rally. A man was receiving the riders as they pulled up to the hotel. He asked them to show him the maximum speed on their GPSs. The speeds ranged from normal to outrageous up to several hundred mph. The number of GPSs with obviously erroneous values was large, perhaps 25% of them. Other high values were suspect.

Some riders told me that they had been on aircraft with their GPSs, but others had no obvious explanation. They suspected tunnels, resets, and other strange conditions that confused the GPSs.

There is one thing I know - a GPS max speed value should never hold up as authoritative evidence in court.
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Last year when I got my LT I was on line looking at helmet laws, speed limits, radar detectors and other things unique to motorcycling riders.
And in my own state it is very tricky some you don't need and others are no no's to law enforcement. We have also a lot of street light cameras that collect from your pocket for right turn on red.
At Il.state park in Kankakee there is one such light my buddy and I sat there for a couple east/west cycles of green nothing. Then the traffic behind us started blowing. Even though we wanted to turn left we were forced to go right (T junction) and just as we made our U turn half way down the block the light turn green for all those who came long behind us. I have yet to get that traffic light sensor/clicker.
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